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Jeb Bush wants probe of Schiavo collapse
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jheez - 17 Jun 2005 21:53 GMT TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into question how long it took her husband to call 911 after he found her.
In a letter faxed to Pinellas-Pasco County State Attorney Bernie McCabe, Bush said Michael Schiavo testified in a 1992 medical malpractice trial that he found his wife collapsed at 5 a.m., and he said in a 2003 television interview that he found her about 4:30 a.m. He called 911 at 5:40 a.m.
"Between 40 and 70 minutes elapsed before the call was made, and I am aware of no explanation for the delay," Bush wrote. "In light of this new information, I urge you to take a fresh look at this case without any preconceptions as to the outcome."
Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, did not immediately return a telephone call seeking comment Friday from The Associated Press. In comments in The Miami Herald, he said Terri Schiavo would not have survived if her husband had not immediately called 911.
"It's absolutely preposterous," Felos said. "If he had waited 70 minutes she would have been dead."
Terri Schiavo died March 31 from dehydration after her feeding tube was disconnected at her husband's request, despite unsuccessful efforts by her parents, Bush and others to keep her alive.
An autopsy released Wednesday concluded that she had been in a persistent vegetative state and revealed no evidence that she was strangled or otherwise abused before she collapsed.
It left unanswered the question of why Terri Schiavo's heart stopped, cutting oxygen off from her brain. The autopsy showed she suffered irreversible brain damage and her brain had shrunk to half the normal size for her age.
weathermansays@yahoo.com - 17 Jun 2005 22:33 GMT Isn't anyone going to leave this alone already? I'm seriously starting to think the Bushes are like the "morals mafia" and Shaivo got on their "hit list."
If this keeps up I will NOT vote Republican again. Also, it's clearly racist and sexist that when a white woman dies zillions of dollars and countless hour are spent probing into every details; when it's a minority or a guy, no one gives a damn.
And I thought Dumbocrats were stupid.
Tommy Kendricks - 17 Jun 2005 22:45 GMT > Isn't anyone going to leave this alone already? I'm seriously starting > to think the Bushes are like the "morals mafia" and Shaivo got on their [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > And I thought Dumbocrats were stupid. I can't believe Jeb doesn't have handlers who are telling him he's taking this too far. I mean who is this going to benefit? I though the whole point of this was whether she had the right to die. Now they just want revenge on her husband? Damn these people are wacked out.
Messalina - 18 Jun 2005 00:35 GMT I can't believe Jeb doesn't have handlers who are telling him he's taking this too far. I mean who is this going to benefit? I though the whole point of this was whether she had the right to die. Now they just want revenge on her husband? Damn these people are wacked out.
I think he believes he can recover the ground he lost over this if he can convince people Micheal was a bad guy.
Mez
Mike V. - 17 Jun 2005 22:54 GMT > TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday > to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into > question how long it took her husband to call 911 after he found her. Doesn't this cocksucker have a f.cking state to run?
Jesus Christ, his state has the most embarassing child protective services in the country. Maybe he should worry about people that are actually ALIVE.
f.cking dumbshit.
Tommy Kendricks - 17 Jun 2005 23:20 GMT I swear I thought I was dreaming when I read this. What business is it of the governor to worry about how long it took for a guy to call 911 15 years ago?
> > TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday > > to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > f.cking dumbshit. nina - 18 Jun 2005 01:30 GMT > > TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday > > to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > f.cking dumbshit. I am in total agreement. Kids getting killed and raped left and right and THIS is what concerns him?
chillled - 18 Jun 2005 20:35 GMT >>TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday >>to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into >>question how long it took her husband to call 911 after he found her. > > Doesn't this cocksucker have a f.cking state to run? I believe he does have a f.cking state to run, and I believe it's a state that has a serious problem with child protective services. But why waste time protecting the children of Florida from perverts and child beaters when he could be investigating b.s. allegations and getting his face in front of the camera?
champ - 20 Jun 2005 02:40 GMT "chillled" > I believe he does have a f.cking state to run, and I believe it's a
> state that has a serious problem with child protective services. But > why waste time protecting the children of Florida from perverts and > child beaters? Weel Jeb made sure he helped "at-risk" kids when he appointed some of his pals to be the heads of the departments and they hired one of Jeb's supporters to write a software program that cost $264 MILLION DOLLARS and has not worked yet.
Instead of using that $264 Million Dollars to buy defective software, they could have kept dozens of Youth Programs open for several years each. But why coddle juvenile delinquents and mentally disturbed abused/molested kids?
Only the daughters of the rich and powerful can violate probation FOUR TIMES and NOT go to prison.
Will - 19 Jun 2005 19:33 GMT > > TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday > > to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > f.cking dumbshit. Absolutely. He should be more concerned with his prescription forging, druggie of a daughter.
blanshay@videotron.ca - 20 Jun 2005 02:27 GMT >> TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday >> to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >f.cking dumbshit. Yeah,no kidding- Kids are disappearing from the florida child services all over the place, turning up dead, vanishing or being murdered by parents. How about putting some time and money into that? It's not enough to be prolife. HOw about being anti-death and destruction?
Midjis - 17 Jun 2005 23:03 GMT jheez <jheez@wheez.zz> wrote :
> TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday > to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into > question how long it took her husband to call 911 after he found her. As noted elsewhere - some people just CANNOT let go of an issue once they have adopted it. The autopsy shows that Mr Schiavo was justified in campaigning for Terri to be allowed to 'die' (inasmuch as she could be said to have been 'alive' at all). Denied this cause to accuse Mr Schiavo, Bush decides it's worth dredging up fifteen years' worth of pain just so he can keep the faltering 'moral outrage' bandwagon going.
And bandwagon it is. Where were the Bushes over the last fifteen years? They had no interest in the case at all until they thought they could get some publicity out of it.
Mr Schiavo and Terri's blood family have been through enough. But Bush evidently doesn't think so.
Will - 17 Jun 2005 23:10 GMT This is Jeb's way of keeping his name out there. He can't run for Governor again. At least in Florida. And this is Dubya's last go round too. Maybe then the Bush's will go away. This case is over and done and should be allowed to rest.
Mr. Pope John Hole III - 18 Jun 2005 00:27 GMT "Will" <Revanche1977@aol.com> Group:
This is Jeb's way of keeping his name out there. He can't run for Governor again. At least in Florida.
When's the other Senator's seat up? I'm sure he can fix the race to win that seat, he's had enough practice.
>And this is Dubya's last go round too. >Maybe then the Bush's will go away. We aren't that lucky. There's a whole sh.t load of sleazy Bushes from Pappy and Bab's pack of kids waiting to inflict ore pain on the country..
>This case is over and done and should be >allowed to rest. Sadly, they'll be beating this dead horse for years to come.
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Tommy Kendricks - 17 Jun 2005 23:22 GMT He certainly is trying to push the envelope for who the biggest a.shole in the Bush family is. Of course Georgie still has him beat by a mile.
> jheez <jheez@wheez.zz> wrote : > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Mr Schiavo and Terri's blood family have been through enough. But Bush > evidently doesn't think so. ThomJeff - 17 Jun 2005 23:41 GMT > TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday > to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into > question how long it took her husband to call 911 after he found her. <snip>
This is a parody...
Right?
ATP* - 18 Jun 2005 02:00 GMT >> TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday >> to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Right? That's what I thought. He better borrow some neocon handlers from Dubya.
ThomJeff - 18 Jun 2005 02:18 GMT >>>TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday >>>to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > That's what I thought. He better borrow some neocon handlers from Dubya. This is real? And he's doing this because...
There was no evidence of foul play?
He is out of his mind?
Jeff - 17 Jun 2005 23:58 GMT > TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday > to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into > question how long it took her husband to call 911 after he found her. (...)
I saw this. I fail to see what this has to do with science or medicine.
Sadly, Mr. Schiavo lost his wife. He did nothing wrong. If he had concerns about this, he should have brought them up years ago.
Jeff
Mark Stringer - 18 Jun 2005 00:17 GMT Jeb, when you find yourself in hole, stop digging.
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 18 Jun 2005 03:44 GMT >>Jeb, when you find yourself in hole, stop digging. << LOL.. Seems to be a trait shared with the sib. In some cases literally, as for a time GW kept drilling for oil in places where he hadn't been able to find it, and nobody else had either. And then metaphorically, there's Iraq.
Wonder where they got it from? Neither the father or mother seems particularly loopy, or to have any particular inability to admit error (beyound human norms, anyway), or defeat. Maybe it's just the old "trying to live up to pop" syndrome. John Quincy Adams could never admit error. JFK, Jr. never knew when to quit and go home to bed either. This sort of thing can be very bad for sons of the famous.
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weathermansays@yahoo.com - 18 Jun 2005 06:01 GMT "Wonder where they got it from?"
He got it from his pop, who used to get obsessed with irrelevant issues like flag burning when the country's economy was tanking. My father also told me that in DC circled George Bush I was known for being vengeful.
I wanna stress once again that I'm a Republican - a staunch one at that -- and I will not vote Republican on anything if Jeb keeps up these KGB-like tactics. Google my name to see my history of bashing things like Democrat and feminist causes. BUT I will all but campaign for Hilary if Jeb succeeds IN ANY WAY with this. Just like his dad did, he's gonna make a Democrat out of me.
AKA - 18 Jun 2005 16:03 GMT > "Wonder where they got it from?" > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Hilary if Jeb succeeds IN ANY WAY with this. Just like his dad did, > he's gonna make a Democrat out of me. No thank you.
dwacon - 19 Jun 2005 00:39 GMT > Jeb, when you find yourself in hole, stop digging. I think he was drilling, not digging...
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chemqueries - 18 Jun 2005 04:46 GMT > TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday > to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > comments in The Miami Herald, he said Terri Schiavo would not have > survived if her husband had not immediately called 911.> Jeb Bush ought to investigate his brother's brain damage.
Leonard Martin - 18 Jun 2005 05:46 GMT > > TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday > > to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Jeb Bush ought to investigate his brother's brain damage. It's a counter-propaganda move. The news that Terry's brain had shrunk to 70% of its normal size was devastating to Gov. Bush and the right-wingers who had made this their crusade. By opening a new issue in the Schiavo case Bush hopes to divert attention from that finding until the whole thing blows over.
Listen to Rush, Hannety, et al. They will be beating the drum for this inquiry for a while.
The right in America has always been rabid. Remember the McCarthy hearings?
Leonard
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Tattoo Vampire - 18 Jun 2005 07:20 GMT > It's a counter-propaganda move. The news that Terry's brain had shrunk > to 70% of its normal size was devastating to Gov. Bush and the > right-wingers who had made this their crusade. 70% of normal size? So it was still twice as big as our president's brain, then.
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blanshay@videotron.ca - 20 Jun 2005 02:30 GMT >> It's a counter-propaganda move. The news that Terry's brain had shrunk >> to 70% of its normal size was devastating to Gov. Bush and the >> right-wingers who had made this their crusade. > >70% of normal size? So it was still twice as big as our president's brain, >then. True... there is a guy in the white house who has been in a permanent vegetative state since day one. Not to mention Dumsfeld, Chainlink, and Condoloser Slice.
David Moffitt - 20 Jun 2005 04:12 GMT >>> It's a counter-propaganda move. The news that Terry's brain had shrunk >>> to 70% of its normal size was devastating to Gov. Bush and the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > vegetative state since day one. Not to mention Dumsfeld, Chainlink, > and Condoloser Slice. %%%% What does that have to say about you ignorant leftards? You so ignorant you lost TWICE to President Bush. :o) lmao!
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 20 Jun 2005 20:05 GMT >>True... there is a guy in the white house who has been in a permanent vegetative state since day one. Not to mention Dumsfeld, Chainlink, and Condoloser Slice. <<
Hey, now! Dr. Rice actually has a smoothly working brain. Just no backbone.
SBH
Pook - 18 Jun 2005 06:33 GMT > TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday > to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into > question how long it took her husband to call 911 after he found her. Hmmm...but he can't get involved in the BOTCHED case of John Evander Couey, huh? Couey could WALK. His MIRANDA RIGHTS weren't given apparently before he confessed. If he doesn't WALK it still majorly hurts the case. This is what JEB had to say to another citizen who asked him to request that Brad King's office/Sherriff Dawsy be investigated.
The Florida Constitution limits the Governor's intervention in matters that should be resolved through the court system. The elected state attorney has the sole discretion to file or decline to file criminal charges in a particular case. There are ethical and legal considerations based on both the quality and quantity of evidence guiding the state attorney's decision. The Governor is not vested with the same authority and cannot intervene in the decision making process even if he were to disagree with the State Attorney's decision."
HMMM...Terri's life was important, granted.
but not Jessica Lunsford's?
Not a 9 year old girl who was raped and buried alive? Can't intervene hmmm...shouldn't. Its the law. The Constitution, YEAH F-CKING RIGHT!
HYPOCRITE. This man should NEVER follow in the footsteps of his brother or father. No matter what party you affiliate with, no matter what your VIEW on the Schiavo case...you must see the utter hypocrisy and offense.
Tattoo Vampire - 18 Jun 2005 07:16 GMT > TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday > to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into > question how long it took her husband to call 911 after he found her. And here I was thinking the president was the stupidest among the brothers...
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Foxglove Adams - 18 Jun 2005 13:13 GMT > > TALLAHASSEE, Florida (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush asked a prosecutor Friday > > to investigate why Terri Schiavo collapsed 15 years ago, calling into > > question how long it took her husband to call 911 after he found her. > > And here I was thinking the president was the stupidest among the > brothers... Nope, the whole family carries the stupidity gene and it is expressed in all of them.
Mutaman - 18 Jun 2005 19:02 GMT > Nope, the whole family carries the stupidity gene and it is expressed in all > of them. True, yet they keep winning elections. What does that say about the morons that keep voting for them?
Tattoo Vampire - 18 Jun 2005 20:10 GMT > True, yet they keep winning elections. What does that say about the > morons that keep voting for them? It means America is truly becoming more stupid.
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chillled - 18 Jun 2005 21:41 GMT > jheez wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > And here I was thinking the president was the stupidest among the > brothers... Jeb is supposed to be the smart one <sigh>.
Carey Gregory - 20 Jun 2005 01:17 GMT >"Between 40 and 70 minutes elapsed before the call was made, and I am >aware of no explanation for the delay," Bush wrote. If I had a dollar for every person who waited that long to call 911 and had no explanation for it, I could afford to be the governor of Florida and everyone would be much happier.
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 20 Jun 2005 19:30 GMT >>If I had a dollar for every person who waited that long to call 911 and had no explanation for it, I could afford to be the governor of Florida and
everyone would be much happier. <<
Indeed. And the darkly funny part of this, is that these critics are many of the SAME people who had been previously accusing the husband of violence, since (so they said before the autopsy) a young healthly girl like that shouldn't be having a cardiac arrest spontaneously. Which is probably *exactly* what the poor husband was thinking at the time, or else he'd have called 911 a lot sooner! Sigh. Boy, hindsight is sure 20-20. But these rightwing bastards who NOW want the guy to have called 911 sooner for her NOW presumed cardiac arrest, don't have the slightest bit of embarrassment or self-insight on this flipflop.
SBH
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