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Help! Lost taste and smell :(
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Jordan Powell - 14 Jun 2005 01:04 GMT Prior to January of this year I was a healthy 35-year-old with no prior illnesses. In mid-January, I suffered a whiplash-like injury while waking up in the morning --my neck was stiff for the next few days. Following that was a dizzying constellation of symptoms that, after five months, have not resolved. Included among these symptoms are a loss of most of my sense of taste/smell; bilateral tingling/numbness in all four limbs; burning sensations in the limbs; loss of sexual sensation; general loss of "light touch" sensations, particularly on the fingertips; facial tingling around lips and left side; and muscle twitching in all the aforementioned areas.
I've had an equally dizzying number of blood tests, spinal taps, EEG's, EMG's, MRI's and visits to neurologists, rheumatologists and other specialists. No one has been able to pinpoint a cause for all of these symptoms, but it seems obvious it's something systemic. The only objective findings so far have been three mildly herniated discs in my cervical spine (C3-4, C4-5 and C5-6) and a "prominent perivascular space in the left inferior basal ganglia." Lastly, they found some elevation in a Raji Cell Immune Complex Assay (it was 18 when the reference range should be below 15) and the C1Q Binding Assay (it was 6.4 ugE/ML when the reference range is 0.0-3.9).
To me, the worst and most frustrating aspect has been dealing with my lack of taste and smell (but certainly all the symptoms are pretty horrid). I've no history of ever having a bad cold or virus, but I will say that my taste and smell loss seemed to happen suddenly (within about a week's time) and seemed to coincide almost exactly with my taking two drugs for my neck injury: Flexeril (a muscle relaxant) and Prednisone (a steroid, in a six-day tapered dose). I stopped taking both medications shortly after I noticed the smell loss.
I can still smell to a small degree, but in terms of my sensations overall, it seems as though someone has "turned the volume down." Food lacks flavor; perfumes seem more alcohol-like in smell and lack real fragrance, as do soaps, dishwashing liquids, etc.
I am most curious about this "prominent perivascular space" noted on two separate brain MRI's taken in the last five months. I've been told these spaces, also known as "Virchow Robin" spaces, are incidental findings and aren't associated with any disease. But I have to wonder why this was mentioned on two separate reports from two different sources if it's an incidental finding? I understand that the basal ganglia controls some aspects of taste and smell in addition to motor functions. People with Parkinson's disease sometimes have a decreased sense of taste and smell because of a reduction in dopamine production in the basal ganglia. So I have to wonder if something similar has happened to me.
I'm not suggesting I have Parkinson's, because I understand that typically this disease doesn't present itself suddenly --it's usually a gradual degeneration spanning years. Several neurologists have concluded I have no neurological disorder.
Any speculation on the nature of these problems (especially by any medical professionals out there) would certainly be appreciated. If anyone needs further information, you can find my full story on the braintalk forums: http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=84590
Thanks very much for any help anyone can provide.
Dan - 14 Jun 2005 01:39 GMT > Prior to January of this year I was a healthy 35-year-old with no prior > illnesses. In mid-January, I suffered a whiplash-like injury while waking [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > Thanks very much for any help anyone can provide. CNS problem. Have you thought of consulting a chiropractor? Good luck.
Jordan Powell - 14 Jun 2005 01:49 GMT > CNS problem. Have you thought of consulting a chiropractor? Good luck. Hi Dan:
I've been tested for CNS-related issues and nothing has been found. One particular test that was performed was a Somatosensory Evoked Potential (SSEP) that looks for CNS-related disorders. Everything came back normal.
I had considered visiting a chiropractor but whenever I mentioned it to someone in the medical community, they bristled.
Dan - 14 Jun 2005 01:55 GMT >>CNS problem. Have you thought of consulting a chiropractor? Good luck. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I had considered visiting a chiropractor but whenever I mentioned it to > someone in the medical community, they bristled. I know many people who had chronic back and neck problems that were helped by Chiro. It is just another tool.
Jeff - 14 Jun 2005 02:20 GMT (...)
> CNS problem. Have you thought of consulting a chiropractor? Good luck. Why? Chiropractors are quacks.
www.chirowatch.org
Jeff
Dan - 14 Jun 2005 03:19 GMT > (...) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jeff Link is not valid. Go you know what.
Jeff - 14 Jun 2005 03:36 GMT >> (...) >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Link is not valid. Go you know what. Yes: go here: http://www.chirobase.org/
Thanks.
Jeff
Dan - 14 Jun 2005 03:56 GMT >>>(...) >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Jeff My chiropractor has never suggested any of the goofy stuff this article talks about. It does state that SMT has proven useful. Why does it work? Relieve pressure on nerves due to bad alignment, improve blood flow to tissues? I am open to further research, but in the meantime I know that Chiro/SMT works for me and others I know. Unlike the article implies, standard western medicine is far from perfect. Lets find out what works, a little pill is not going to be the answer.
Jeff - 14 Jun 2005 04:11 GMT >>>>(...) >>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > standard western medicine is far from perfect. Lets find out what works, > a little pill is not going to be the answer. No one said a little pill is the answer. However, this person has problems with smelling and other problems not related to the back. Going to see a chiropractor will not help him.
Jeff
Happy Dog - 14 Jun 2005 08:54 GMT "Dan" <dan@nospam.com> wrote in message news:
> My chiropractor has never suggested any of the goofy stuff this article > talks about. It does state that SMT has proven useful. Why does it work? > Relieve pressure on nerves due to bad alignment, improve blood flow to > tissues? I am open to further research, Unfortunately, chiropractors are not. Their "research" is a joke. Mostly marketing.
> but in the meantime I know that Chiro/SMT works for me and others I know. > Unlike the article implies, standard western medicine is far from perfect. > Lets find out what works, a little pill is not going to be the answer. Sometimes is. Sometimes isn't. Backrubs feel nice. If you like them, keep going.
moo
Peter Jason - 14 Jun 2005 04:46 GMT < snip >
Have any of your ancestors been so stricken?
Jordan Powell - 14 Jun 2005 14:05 GMT >< snip > > > Have any of your ancestors been so stricken? No. I'm entirely unique in my family to this occurrence. There are several, however, who do suffer from neck pain and an aunt recently had fusion surgery for her cervical spine. We could therefore have a genetic disposition to back problems, or it could be entirely coincidental, since all three of the people suffering from back pain were involved in car accidents.
I am the only one to my knowledge who has ever had a problem with taste/smell or suffered from neurological-like symptoms.
Peter Jason - 15 Jun 2005 01:48 GMT I had a mild attack of polio when I was five, and this left me with a pronounced permanent squint in my left eye. This is viral I think, and you might check this out. Seek a specialist in viral attacks effecting the nerves. There are a few fancy diseases about such as Lymes and West Nile fever, and all you can do is hack thru all the specialists.
>>< snip > >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I am the only one to my knowledge who has ever had a problem with > taste/smell or suffered from neurological-like symptoms. Jordan Powell - 15 Jun 2005 03:11 GMT >I had a mild attack of polio when I was five, and this left me with a >pronounced permanent squint in my left eye. > This is viral I think, and you might check this out. > Seek a specialist in viral attacks effecting the nerves. > There are a few fancy diseases about such as Lymes and West Nile fever, > and all you can do is hack thru all the specialists. Thanks. I'm pretty much at my wit's end. I've been to four different neurologists; several ENTs (one of which allegedly specialized in taste and smell disorders); a rheumatologist and several others. None of them could pinpoint a cause.
I'm not sure what type of doctor would specialize in viral attacks affecting the nerves, but I assume that would fall within the field of neurology. One neurologist who performed an analysis of my spinal fluid suggested this may have been more of a chemically-related incident rather than a viral one, as I had no previous history of a head cold, flu, etc. Still, they couldn't come up with a reason for my problems...it's all be speculation and nothing definitive has shown up on any of the many tests I've endured.
I seem to recall a doctor who frequents this newsgroup as having experienced taste and smell loss due to an antibiotic, but I wasn't exposed to that, either. I was curious if that person chanced upon my article, if he'd be so kind as to speculate or offer suggestions due to his personal experience.
Bob - 15 Jun 2005 04:39 GMT >>I had a mild attack of polio when I was five, and this left me with a >>pronounced permanent squint in my left eye. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >come up with a reason for my problems...it's all be speculation and nothing >definitive has shown up on any of the many tests I've endured. ...
Have you spent some time searching the Medline (PubMed) database of medical literature? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/
Don't embark on this expecting "an answer" as much as to get some ideas. Watch for info on transient losses.
By the way, note that the diseases suggested above are not all viral. Lyme disease is bacterial. West Nile is viral. I think the poster was just trying to make the general point that infections can affect the nerves.
bob
Jordan Powell - 15 Jun 2005 05:47 GMT > Have you spent some time searching the Medline (PubMed) database of > medical literature? > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/ Hi Bob: I've been sort of an Internet "fiend" in the last five months trying to get answers. This was among the many sites I've stumbled across, but I appreciate the link.
> By the way, note that the diseases suggested above are not all viral. > Lyme disease is bacterial. West Nile is viral. I think the poster was > just trying to make the general point that infections can affect the > nerves. Thanks, I appreciate that. I've been tested for, among other things, Lyme Disease, heavy metal poisoning, MS, and a host of other neurological and immune system-related disorders. They've all turned up negative. And so the search goes on.
Peter Jason - 16 Jun 2005 08:32 GMT Here is a scan from the Merck Manual 17th ed. IBSN 0911910-10-1
DISORDERS OF SMELL AND TASTE
Because distinct flavors depend on aro- mas to stimulate the olfactory chemorecep- tors, taste and smell are physiologically in- terdependent, and dysfunction of one often disturbs the other. Disorders of smell and taste are rarely incapacitating or life threat- ening, so they often do not receive close medical attention. However, the inability to detect certain odours, such as gas, may be dangerous, and several systemic and intra- cranial disorders should be eliminated before dismissing symptoms as harmless. Whether brain stem disease (involvement of the nucleus solitarius) can cause disorders of smell and taste is uncertain because other neurologic manifestations are usually over- shadowing.
Anosmia (loss of the sense of smell) is probably the most common abnormality (see below). Hyperosmia (increased sensitivity to odors) usually reflects a neurotic or his- trionic personality. Dysosmia (disagreeable or distorted sense of smell) may occur with infection of the nasal sinuses, partial damage to the olfactory bulbs, or psychologic de- pression. Some cases, accompanied by a dis- agreeable taste, result from poor dental hy- giene. Uncinate epilepsy can produce brief, vivid, unpleasant olfactory hallucinations. Hyposmia (diminished sense of smell) and hypogeusia (diminished sense of taste) can follow acute influenza, usually temporarily. Drying of the oral mucosa from heavy smoking, Sjogren's syndrome, radiation ther- apy of the head and neck, or desquamation of the tongue can impair taste, and various drugs (eg, amitriptyline, vincristine) alter taste. In all instances, the gustatory recep- tors are diffusely involved. When limited to one side of the tongue (eg, in Bell's palsy), ageusia (loss of the sense of taste) is rarely noticed.
Rarely, idiopathic dysgeusia (distorted sense of taste), hypogeusia, and dysosmia respond to zinc supplementation.
ANOSMIA Loss of the sense of smell.
Anosmia requires thorough evaluation for intranasal and intracranial diseases. Loss of smell occurs when intranasal swelling or other obstruction prevents odors from gain- ing access to the olfactory area; when the olfactory neuroepithelium is destroyed, as in viral infections, atrophic rhinitis, or the chronic rhinitis of granulomatous diseases and neoplasms; or when the olfactory nerve fila, bulbs, tracts, or central connections are destroyed, eg, by head trauma, intracranial surgery, infections, or neoplasms. Head trauma is a major cause of anosmia in young adults. Viral infections are a major cause in older adults. Anosmia occurs congenitally in male hypogonadism (Kallmann's syn- drome). Most patients with anosmia have normal perception of salty, sweet, sour, and bitter substances, but they lack flavor dis- crimination, which is largely dependent on olfaction; therefore, they often complain of losing the sense of taste (ageusia). If unilat- eral, anosmia is often unrecognized.
Diagnostic evaluation requires examina- tion of the cranial nerves (see NEUROLOGIC EXAMINATION in Ch. 165) and of the upper respiratory tract (particularly the nose and nasopharynx), psychophysical assessment of odour and taste identification and threshold detection, and enhanced CT of the head to rule out neoplasms and unsuspected frac- tures of the floor of the anterior cranial fossa.
Treatment of allergic or bacterial rhinitis and sinusitis or removal of nasal polyps and benign neoplasms may result in recovery of the sense of smell. Conditions causing de- struction of the olfactory neuroepithelium or its central pathways do not lend themselves to effective treatment, although spontane- ous recovery may follow regeneration of these tissues.
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