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Help!  Lost taste and smell :(

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Jordan Powell - 14 Jun 2005 01:04 GMT
Prior to January of this year I was a healthy 35-year-old with no prior
illnesses.   In mid-January, I suffered a whiplash-like injury while waking
up in the morning --my neck was stiff for the next few days.  Following that
was a dizzying constellation of symptoms that, after five months, have not
resolved.  Included among these symptoms are a loss of most of my sense of
taste/smell; bilateral tingling/numbness in all four limbs; burning
sensations in the limbs; loss of sexual sensation; general loss of "light
touch" sensations, particularly on the fingertips; facial tingling around
lips and left side; and muscle twitching in all the aforementioned areas.

I've had an equally dizzying number of blood tests, spinal taps, EEG's,
EMG's, MRI's and visits to neurologists, rheumatologists and other
specialists.  No one has been able to pinpoint a cause for all of these
symptoms, but it seems obvious it's something systemic.  The only objective
findings so far have been three mildly herniated discs in my cervical spine
(C3-4, C4-5 and C5-6) and a "prominent perivascular space in the left
inferior basal ganglia."  Lastly, they found some elevation in a Raji Cell
Immune Complex Assay (it was 18 when the reference range should be below 15)
and the C1Q Binding Assay (it was 6.4 ugE/ML when the reference range is
0.0-3.9).

To me, the worst and most frustrating aspect has been dealing with my lack
of taste and smell (but certainly all the symptoms are pretty horrid).  I've
no history of ever having a bad cold or virus, but I will say that my taste
and smell loss seemed to happen suddenly (within about a week's time) and
seemed to coincide almost exactly with my taking two drugs for my neck
injury:  Flexeril (a muscle relaxant) and Prednisone (a steroid, in a
six-day tapered dose).  I stopped taking both medications shortly after I
noticed the smell loss.

I can still smell to a small degree, but in terms of my sensations overall,
it seems as though someone has "turned the volume down."  Food lacks flavor;
perfumes seem more alcohol-like in smell and lack real fragrance, as do
soaps, dishwashing liquids, etc.

I am most curious about this "prominent perivascular space" noted on two
separate brain MRI's taken in the last five months.  I've been told these
spaces, also known as "Virchow Robin" spaces, are incidental findings and
aren't associated with any disease.  But I have to wonder why this was
mentioned on two separate reports from two different sources if it's an
incidental finding?  I understand that the basal ganglia controls some
aspects of taste and smell in addition to motor functions.  People with
Parkinson's disease sometimes have a decreased sense of taste and smell
because of a reduction in dopamine production in the basal ganglia.  So I
have to wonder if something similar has happened to me.

I'm not suggesting I have Parkinson's, because I understand that typically
this disease doesn't present itself suddenly --it's usually a gradual
degeneration spanning years.  Several neurologists have concluded I have no
neurological disorder.

Any speculation on the nature of these problems (especially by any medical
professionals out there) would certainly be appreciated.  If anyone needs
further information, you can find my full story on the braintalk forums:
http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=84590

Thanks very much for any help anyone can provide.
Dan - 14 Jun 2005 01:39 GMT
> Prior to January of this year I was a healthy 35-year-old with no prior
> illnesses.   In mid-January, I suffered a whiplash-like injury while waking
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> Thanks very much for any help anyone can provide.

CNS problem.  Have you thought of consulting a chiropractor?  Good luck.
Jordan Powell - 14 Jun 2005 01:49 GMT
> CNS problem.  Have you thought of consulting a chiropractor?  Good luck.

Hi Dan:

I've been tested for CNS-related issues and nothing has been found.  One
particular test that was performed was a Somatosensory Evoked Potential
(SSEP) that looks for CNS-related disorders.  Everything came back normal.

I had considered visiting a chiropractor but whenever I mentioned it to
someone in the medical community, they bristled.
Dan - 14 Jun 2005 01:55 GMT
>>CNS problem.  Have you thought of consulting a chiropractor?  Good luck.
>
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> I had considered visiting a chiropractor but whenever I mentioned it to
> someone in the medical community, they bristled.

I know many people who had chronic back and neck problems that were
helped by Chiro.  It is just another tool.
Jeff - 14 Jun 2005 02:20 GMT
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> CNS problem.  Have you thought of consulting a chiropractor?  Good luck.

Why? Chiropractors are quacks.

www.chirowatch.org

Jeff
Dan - 14 Jun 2005 03:19 GMT
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> Jeff

Link is not valid.  Go you know what.
Jeff - 14 Jun 2005 03:36 GMT
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>
> Link is not valid.  Go you know what.

Yes: go here: http://www.chirobase.org/

Thanks.

Jeff
Dan - 14 Jun 2005 03:56 GMT
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> Jeff

My chiropractor has never suggested any of the goofy stuff this article
talks about.  It does state that SMT has proven useful.  Why does it
work?  Relieve pressure on nerves due to bad alignment, improve blood
flow to tissues?  I am open to further research, but in the meantime I
know that Chiro/SMT works for me and others I know.  Unlike the article
implies, standard western medicine is far from perfect.  Lets find out
what works, a little pill is not going to be the answer.
Jeff - 14 Jun 2005 04:11 GMT
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> standard western medicine is far from perfect.  Lets find out what works,
> a little pill is not going to be the answer.

No one said a little pill is the answer. However, this person has problems
with smelling and other problems not related to the back. Going to see a
chiropractor will not help him.

Jeff
Happy Dog - 14 Jun 2005 08:54 GMT
"Dan" <dan@nospam.com> wrote in message news:
> My chiropractor has never suggested any of the goofy stuff this article
> talks about.  It does state that SMT has proven useful.  Why does it work?
> Relieve pressure on nerves due to bad alignment, improve blood flow to
> tissues?  I am open to further research,

Unfortunately, chiropractors are not.  Their "research" is a joke.  Mostly
marketing.

> but in the meantime I know that Chiro/SMT works for me and others I know.
> Unlike the article implies, standard western medicine is far from perfect.
> Lets find out what works, a little pill is not going to be the answer.

Sometimes is.  Sometimes isn't.  Backrubs feel nice.  If you like them, keep
going.

moo
Peter Jason - 14 Jun 2005 04:46 GMT
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Have any of your ancestors been so stricken?
Jordan Powell - 14 Jun 2005 14:05 GMT
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> Have any of your ancestors been so stricken?

No.  I'm entirely unique in my family to this occurrence.  There are
several, however, who do suffer from neck pain and an aunt recently had
fusion surgery for her cervical spine.  We could therefore have a genetic
disposition to back problems, or it could be entirely coincidental, since
all three of the people suffering from back pain were involved in car
accidents.

I am the only one to my knowledge who has ever had a problem with
taste/smell or suffered from neurological-like symptoms.
Peter Jason - 15 Jun 2005 01:48 GMT
I had a mild attack of polio when I was five, and this left me with a
pronounced permanent squint in my left eye.
This is viral I think, and you might check this out.
Seek a specialist in viral attacks effecting the nerves.
There are a few fancy diseases about such as Lymes and West Nile fever, and
all you can do is hack thru all the specialists.

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> I am the only one to my knowledge who has ever had a problem with
> taste/smell or suffered from neurological-like symptoms.
Jordan Powell - 15 Jun 2005 03:11 GMT
>I had a mild attack of polio when I was five, and this left me with a
>pronounced permanent squint in my left eye.
> This is viral I think, and you might check this out.
> Seek a specialist in viral attacks effecting the nerves.
> There are a few fancy diseases about such as Lymes and West Nile fever,
> and all you can do is hack thru all the specialists.

Thanks.  I'm pretty much at my wit's end.  I've been to four different
neurologists; several ENTs (one of which allegedly specialized in taste and
smell disorders); a rheumatologist and several others.  None of them could
pinpoint a cause.

I'm not sure what type of doctor would specialize in viral attacks affecting
the nerves, but I assume that would fall within the field of neurology.  One
neurologist who performed an analysis of my spinal fluid suggested this may
have been more of a chemically-related incident rather than a viral one, as
I had no previous history of a head cold, flu, etc.  Still, they couldn't
come up with a reason for my problems...it's all be speculation and nothing
definitive has shown up on any of the many tests I've endured.

I seem to recall a doctor who frequents this newsgroup as having experienced
taste and smell loss due to an antibiotic, but I wasn't exposed to that,
either.  I was curious if that person chanced upon my article, if he'd be so
kind as to speculate or offer suggestions due to his personal experience.
Bob - 15 Jun 2005 04:39 GMT
>>I had a mild attack of polio when I was five, and this left me with a
>>pronounced permanent squint in my left eye.
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>come up with a reason for my problems...it's all be speculation and nothing
>definitive has shown up on any of the many tests I've endured.

...

Have you spent some time searching the Medline (PubMed) database of
medical literature?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/

Don't embark on this expecting "an answer" as much as to get some
ideas. Watch for info on transient losses.

By the way, note that the diseases suggested above are not all viral.
Lyme disease is bacterial. West Nile is viral. I think the poster was
just trying to make the general point that infections can affect the
nerves.

bob
Jordan Powell - 15 Jun 2005 05:47 GMT
> Have you spent some time searching the Medline (PubMed) database of
> medical literature?
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/

Hi Bob:  I've been sort of an Internet "fiend" in the last five months
trying to get answers.  This was among the many sites I've stumbled across,
but I appreciate the link.

> By the way, note that the diseases suggested above are not all viral.
> Lyme disease is bacterial. West Nile is viral. I think the poster was
> just trying to make the general point that infections can affect the
> nerves.

Thanks, I appreciate that.  I've been tested for, among other things, Lyme
Disease, heavy metal poisoning, MS, and a host of other neurological and
immune system-related disorders.  They've all turned up negative.  And so
the search goes on.
Peter Jason - 16 Jun 2005 08:32 GMT
Here is a scan from the Merck Manual 17th ed. IBSN 0911910-10-1

DISORDERS OF SMELL AND TASTE

Because distinct flavors depend on aro-
mas to stimulate the olfactory chemorecep-
tors, taste and smell are physiologically in-
terdependent, and dysfunction of one often
disturbs the other. Disorders of smell and
taste are rarely incapacitating or life threat-
ening, so they often do not receive close
medical attention. However, the inability to
detect certain odours, such as gas, may be
dangerous, and several systemic and intra-
cranial disorders should be eliminated
before dismissing symptoms as harmless.
Whether brain stem disease (involvement of
the nucleus solitarius) can cause disorders
of smell and taste is uncertain because other
neurologic manifestations are usually over-
shadowing.

Anosmia (loss of the sense of smell) is
probably the most common abnormality (see
below). Hyperosmia (increased sensitivity
to odors) usually reflects a neurotic or his-
trionic personality. Dysosmia (disagreeable
or distorted sense of smell) may occur with
infection of the nasal sinuses, partial damage
to the olfactory bulbs, or psychologic de-
pression. Some cases, accompanied by a dis-
agreeable taste, result from poor dental hy-
giene. Uncinate epilepsy can produce brief,
vivid, unpleasant olfactory hallucinations.
Hyposmia (diminished sense of smell) and
hypogeusia (diminished sense of taste) can
follow acute influenza, usually temporarily.
Drying of the oral mucosa from heavy
smoking, Sjogren's syndrome, radiation ther-
apy of the head and neck, or desquamation
of the tongue can impair taste, and various
drugs (eg, amitriptyline, vincristine) alter
taste. In all instances, the gustatory recep-
tors are diffusely involved. When limited to
one side of the tongue (eg, in Bell's palsy),
ageusia (loss of the sense of taste) is rarely
noticed.

Rarely, idiopathic dysgeusia (distorted
sense of taste), hypogeusia, and dysosmia
respond to zinc supplementation.

ANOSMIA
Loss of the sense of smell.

Anosmia requires thorough evaluation for
intranasal and intracranial diseases. Loss of
smell occurs when intranasal swelling or
other obstruction prevents odors from gain-
ing access to the olfactory area; when the
olfactory neuroepithelium is destroyed, as in
viral infections, atrophic rhinitis, or the
chronic rhinitis of granulomatous diseases
and neoplasms; or when the olfactory nerve
fila, bulbs, tracts, or central connections are
destroyed, eg, by head trauma, intracranial
surgery, infections, or neoplasms. Head
trauma is a major cause of anosmia in young
adults. Viral infections are a major cause in
older adults. Anosmia occurs congenitally in
male hypogonadism (Kallmann's syn-
drome). Most patients with anosmia have
normal perception of salty, sweet, sour, and
bitter substances, but they lack flavor dis-
crimination, which is largely dependent on
olfaction; therefore, they often complain of
losing the sense of taste (ageusia). If unilat-
eral, anosmia is often unrecognized.

Diagnostic evaluation requires examina-
tion of the cranial nerves (see NEUROLOGIC
EXAMINATION in Ch. 165) and of the upper
respiratory tract (particularly the nose and
nasopharynx), psychophysical assessment
of odour and taste identification and threshold
detection, and enhanced CT of the head to
rule out neoplasms and unsuspected frac-
tures of the floor of the anterior cranial fossa.

Treatment of allergic or bacterial rhinitis
and sinusitis or removal of nasal polyps and
benign neoplasms may result in recovery of
the sense of smell. Conditions causing de-
struction of the olfactory neuroepithelium or
its central pathways do not lend themselves
to effective treatment, although spontane-
ous recovery may follow regeneration of
these tissues.
 
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