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Twittering One - 11 Jun 2005 14:19 GMT
This 2005,
The United States of America.

We have laws, medical guidelines,
And state licensing proscriptions
Concerning what a mental health professional
Can do to a patient ~
Because we recognize the immense power
A therapist wields over a patient's state of mind.

But what good are they,
If they are not put applied?

What good are they,
If professionals protect one another,
Instead of the patient?

My name is Virginia Hooper.

I was abused in a therapeutic setting.

I have told the FBI, 2 other psychiatrists,
And 1 psychologist.

I also told NYU Medical Center
That I believe my privacy was violated.

All to no apparent avail.
Twittering One - 11 Jun 2005 14:23 GMT
I was the victim,
And I am tired of being treated poorly or ignored,
In regard to what happened to me.

That is almost as damaging
As the original abuse.
Twittering One - 11 Jun 2005 14:28 GMT
I want this resolved,
I want to get on with living my life.

My life, my history, my goals
Have value.

You have no right to deny
My existence, my experience, my fundamental
Right for justice and redress.

Too many others
Before me underwne the same abuse,
But had not the means to fight back.

I am fighting back.
I will find justice,

Or you will kill me in the process.
Jason - 11 Jun 2005 15:35 GMT
> I want this resolved,
> I want to get on with living my life.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Or you will kill me in the process.

Twittering One,
We do care about you. However, you need to clearly state
any medical problems that you have before we can help you.
You should ask your family doctor to refer you to a specialist
to help you with any special problems that you have. A lawyer
should be able to help you with any legal problems you have.
Jason

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Twittering One - 11 Jun 2005 17:03 GMT
"Twittering One,
We do care about you. However, you need to clearly state
any medical problems that you have before we can help you.
You should ask your family doctor to refer you to a specialist
to help you with any special problems that you have. A lawyer
should be able to help you with any legal problems you have.
Jason "

You're nuts.
Don - 11 Jun 2005 19:57 GMT
> You're nuts.

Perhaps one way to dispel the somewhat paranoid flavor of your accusations
would be to describe unemotionally in more detail what actually happened to
you
Twittering One - 12 Jun 2005 15:01 GMT
"Perhaps one way to dispel
The somewhat paranoid flavor of your accusations
Would be to describe unemotionally
In more detail
What actually happened to
You."
~ Don

"Deade, hung from blew sweater
Tied to bars, Boston
South End police station, 2 daze
b4 Thanksgiving,
1979."
~ Twittering

1979
San Francisco

"Well slap my hands!
Here we are again.
I can see you so clear
Up on the L train
And me waving from the ground.
Were you always rushing off
Somewhere?
Or was I just too slow?
And now you're hurtin,'
Well, slap my hands!
Cocktails at the neighbors,'
The usual lip-stick-stained
Rims of the glasses,
The floating cigarette butt
And all this like,
Like 'White Noise'
And a lot of stumbling in
This void,
Color-blind and snow-blind
Just like Charlie Chaplin.
Well, slap my hands!"
~ Rocky

October 16, 1979
Boston

"It's always been the same.
The same reflection,
The same cold and
The same fear.
Death, at my footsteps. Shadows and shrouds.
The grey,
The grey around the lids of my mother's
Tired eyes. The eyes of grey. The eyes of dawn.
That same grey dawn.
The day we were all born.
And it's always been the same.

Look!

Look at the startled pigeons in mid ~
Flight.
Frozen second and they're off.
And it's always been the same.
The rejection
We can always try and laugh off.
Ha ha
And more of the same. The fear
Was grey, too. The sky too close
And the grey. Death never struck
Me as black.
Grey shadows and grey shrouds.
Yet the mourning for all things as they were.
And the morning arises
Grey."
~ Rocky

November 22, 1979
Boston

"I created a name for you
You you you
Of ashes and blood
Rose petals and clay
I gave birth to you
A diamond etching in
Glass
To the tolling of copper
Bells
Slowly slowly
The strangers bring
The luminosity of the webbed wings
The luminosity of the bats'
Squeals I hear. I hear!
The terror of that night,
O I remember that night
There will be a mole on
Your right hip
There will be death at
Your footsteps
And the strangers will fall
Like flies they fall
They fall and fall
And I fall and fall
Free-form and alone
I embrace your fears
I beg for your love
So cool...
I had to create a name
For you
Like a beggar scratching
In the sand
Like a jungle fire
In the heart of the ruby"
~ Rocky
Don - 12 Jun 2005 16:56 GMT
Good. That's more to the point. That would surely stand up in any court in
the land.

> "Deade, hung from blew sweater
> Tied to bars, Boston
[quoted text clipped - 101 lines]
> In the heart of the ruby"
> ~ Rocky
Don - 13 Jun 2005 04:23 GMT
Nice poetry. (But I wonder if it would be credible testimony.)

> "Perhaps one way to dispel
> The somewhat paranoid flavor of your accusations
[quoted text clipped - 109 lines]
> In the heart of the ruby"
> ~ Rocky
Twittering One - 13 Jun 2005 05:12 GMT
"Nice poetry.
(But I wonder if it would be credible testimony.)"
~ Don

"O, Rock's deade."
~ Twittering

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Suicide has reached epidemic proportions.
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Twittering One - 13 Jun 2005 05:16 GMT
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Lorna Simon, MD, to the stand, for testimony."
~ Folly
Twittering One - 13 Jun 2005 05:20 GMT
"Just get your own damn self
Out of it ~ !"
~ Twittering

"Heck, yeah ~ !
Then call us from Hell."
~ Folly

"... or jail."
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DON'T."
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Tell someone, tell anyone ~
Suicide shouldn't be a secret.

Or just see ~ AFSP,
The American Foundation for Suicide Prevention

The only national not-for-profit organization
exclusively dedicated to funding research, developing prevention
initiatives
and offering educational programs and conferences for survivors,
mental health professionals, physicians and the public.

The Foundation's activities include ~
* Supporting research projects that help further
  the understanding and treatment of depression
  and the prevention of suicide
* Providing information and education about depression and suicide
* Promoting professional education for the recognition
  and treatment of depressed and suicidal individuals
* Publicizing the magnitude of the problems of depression
  and suicide and the need for research, prevention and treatment
* Supporting programs for suicide survivor treatment, research
  and education

Read their policy statements on assisted suicide,
gun control,
or suicide prevention or learn more about their leadership,
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For teens and kids ~
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Twittering One - 11 Jun 2005 14:25 GMT
I have been telling appropriate professionals
For 1 year.

That is TOO
LONG.
David Martel - 11 Jun 2005 16:04 GMT
Virginia,

  Complaining to the FBI is pointless, they probably don't handle this
stuff. So, to whom should you complain? The State's medical licensing board
probably handles complaints. You mention complaining to NYU Med Cntr. Does
the abuser work there? If not they won't help you. You mention complaining
to other doctors but they don't handle such complaints either.
  File a complaint with the state medical board. If the abuse involved
violating your privacy then look in the phone book for lawyers who deal in
medical or HIPPA complaints. Speak to a few who give free initial consults.

Good luck,
Dave M.
Twittering One - 11 Jun 2005 17:01 GMT
"You mention complaining
to other doctors but they don't handle such complaints either."

According to APA guidelines,
A therapist is mandated to report abuse by another therapist.
David Martel - 11 Jun 2005 19:03 GMT
> "You mention complaining
> to other doctors but they don't handle such complaints either."
>
> According to APA guidelines,
> A therapist is mandated to report abuse by another therapist.

  The APA guideline from their web-site is below. While some action may be
taken in some situations it is not required and the appropriate action is
not given. Do you refer to a different guideline?

8.05 Reporting Ethical Violations.

If an apparent ethical violation is not appropriate for informal resolution
under Standard 8.04 or is not resolved properly in that fashion,
psychologists take further action appropriate to the situation, unless such
action conflicts with confidentiality rights in ways that cannot be
resolved. Such action might include referral to state or national committees
on professional ethics or to state licensing boards.

  Do note that sending a complaint to a state licensing board is mentioned
as an option. This is also an option for you. You have already attempted to
get others to act for you in this matter. Rather than complaining here file
a complaint with the appropriate agency. Do not file complaints in other
places, that will do nothing. Do not be surprised if your complaint is
discounted since you may not in fact have a valid complaint.

Dave M.
Twittering One - 11 Jun 2005 19:17 GMT
> > "You mention complaining
> > to other doctors but they don't handle such complaints either."
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> Dave M.

I was in a life-threatening situation.
My medical records were subsequently falisfied,
when stood as a deterrent for me reporting to the state board.

I DID file a complaint with NYU.
I do not think they handled my complaint responsibly.

If my own physician of 5 years, Matthew B. Smith, MD, did not report
what happened to me,
I consider him a human being beyond the priviledge
of practicing medicine.

If Cynthia R. Pfeffer, MD, did not report
what happened to me, I consider her either uninformed,
or a physician far below her reputation.

Thusly, I am attempring to apprise her,
on the off chance her knowledge is imcomplete.
Twittering One - 11 Jun 2005 19:20 GMT
I also suggest you see the American Psychiatric a.s. Guidelines.
David Martel - 11 Jun 2005 23:00 GMT
  I'm not going to read their guidelines but will be happy to look at the
section that mandates action by psychiatrists when they receive complaints
about their colleagues. Please supply some sort of citation, e. g. sec 1
para 3
  But even assuming that there is such a citation you will still need to
file the complaint yourself. Contact the licensing board for details. You
can raise the issue with the APA if you wish. This is described at the end
of their principles in a section titled Procedure for Handling Complaints of
Unethical Conduct. Part 1 should get you started.

Dave M.
Twittering One - 11 Jun 2005 23:42 GMT
"Procedure for Handling Complaints of
Unethical Conduct."

Life-endangerment is somewhat different
>From ~

Unethical Conduct.
Raving Loonie - 11 Jun 2005 19:26 GMT
> > "You mention complaining
> > to other doctors but they don't handle such complaints either."
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> Dave M.

" ... Patients who dare to question or challenge their doctor's
authority, or the medical treatment that they receive, may find that
they become BLACKLISTED (i.e. denied specialist care). Physicians
demonstrate a stronger allegiance to their colleagues, than they do
towards their innocent and trusting patients. Patients with iatrogenic
illnesses often become victims of the blacklist. The problems usually
start when medical mistakes are made (either intentionally or
unintentionally) and denied. Then the lies and cover-up begin.
Documents are often modified, falsified, mysteriously disappear, or
important information is excluded from the record. Doctors will go to
great lengths to avoid being held accountable, and are generally
protected by their professional associations. Once the patient is
blacklisted he can then expect to be subjected to character
assassination from the medical profession. The patient can anticipate
being attacked, discredited and demonized. How dare a patient challenge
a doctor's authority? To avoid taking any responsibility for their
errors, actions or behavior, doctors--and their governing bodies--will
often employ the same tactics that communist countries use to quash
political dissent. The patient will be labeled "difficult" or
"psychiatric." Such pejorative labels are given to divert attention
away from the negligent, incompetent or malpracticing doctor. Patients
should not take such labels personally, because these labels say more
about the physicians than they do about the patients. Blacklisting is
not an error. Blacklisting is an intentional act.  ... "

 see http://tinyurl.com/auf49
Twittering One - 11 Jun 2005 19:29 GMT
Great article, thanks, Raving.
Raving Loonie - 11 Jun 2005 20:07 GMT
> Great article, thanks, Raving.

see
http://www.fhs.mcmaster.ca/postgrad/documents/HousestaffBooklet_001.pdf

 or http://tinyurl.com/8yhxa for short.

Search for ' reprisal '

Check any medical school that you like ...

The hard 'reality' speaks for itself ...

a.k.a.

 I N T I M I D A T I O N

   Don't be naive T1
Raving Loonie - 11 Jun 2005 20:23 GMT
> > Great article, thanks, Raving.
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>     Don't be naive T1

>From Page 17 of http://tinyurl.com/8yhxa listed as Page 13

"Medical and
Legal Problems
If you are involved in any legal matters related to your
professional activities (including being asked to give evidence) the
following guidelines are recommended, according to the
specific nature of the problem:
You should always contact the clinical supervisor
responsible for the case in question; they will be able to
provide support and advice, especially if they are required to
participate in the same legal proceedings.
Contact your Program Director; your program director is there to
offer support and guidance. S/he will ensure your best interests are
being attended to and that appropriate management is being
offered.
You may wish to: Contact PAIRO, you are a member of the
Professional Association of Interns and Residents. Each school has
representatives who will be able to counsel and assist you. Canadian
Medical Protective Association should be contacted immediately.
Membership with CMPA is required."
Raving Loonie - 11 Jun 2005 20:26 GMT
> > Great article, thanks, Raving.
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>     Don't be naive T1

>From Page 17 of http://tinyurl.com/8yhxa listed as Page 13

"Medical and
Legal Problems
If you are involved in any legal matters related to your
professional activities (including being asked to give evidence) the
following guidelines are recommended, according to the
specific nature of the problem:
You should always contact the clinical supervisor
responsible for the case in question; they will be able to
provide support and advice, especially if they are required to
participate in the same legal proceedings.
Contact your Program Director; your program director is there to
offer support and guidance. S/he will ensure your best interests are
being attended to and that appropriate management is being
offered.
You may wish to: Contact PAIRO, you are a member of the
Professional Association of Interns and Residents. Each school has
representatives who will be able to counsel and assist you. Canadian
Medical Protective Association should be contacted immediately.
Membership with CMPA is required."
Raving Loonie - 11 Jun 2005 20:43 GMT
> > Great article, thanks, Raving.
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>     Don't be naive T1

 ... I will try a 3rd time to ge it correct!

I am not going to go about ' knocking ' physicians, et al, further,
herein.

I respect them and their plight. They do what they can to deal
effectively with the very thorny issue of

  " Taking responsibility for decisions upon one's self" & "
accountability for doing so " & " Appropriate feedback w/o derogatory
counterproductive criticism "

... it is a very, very, very tough issue.

It NEEDS to be improved.  .. It is difficult to improve.

 ----------

 From Page 17 of http://tinyurl.com/8yhxa listed as Page 13

"Medical and
Legal Problems
If you are involved in any legal matters related to your
professional activities (including being asked to give evidence) the
following guidelines are recommended, according to the
specific nature of the problem:
You should always contact the clinical supervisor
responsible for the case in question; they will be able to
provide support and advice, especially if they are required to
participate in the same legal proceedings.
Contact your Program Director; your program director is there to
offer support and guidance. S/he will ensure your best interests are
being attended to and that appropriate management is being
offered.
You may wish to: Contact PAIRO, you are a member of the
Professional Association of Interns and Residents. Each school has
representatives who will be able to counsel and assist you. Canadian
Medical Protective Association should be contacted immediately.
Membership with CMPA is required."
Twittering One - 11 Jun 2005 20:49 GMT
> > Great article, thanks, Raving.
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>     Don't be naive T1

I don't know your point Raving,
But I was the one INTIMIDATED.

After being abused by a psychologist,
her colleague, my physician of 5 years,
who witnessed the effects of her abuse,

altered my medical records,
erasing what happened to me, denying me the
means to file appropriate complaints to liscencing boards.

That is a form of torture, a form of brainwashing so
insidiously undermining,
it could crack anyone's head open.

I have intimidated no one,
but I have yelled and complained PLENTY.

No physician has the right to deny
what happened to a patient, to take away
the facts.

That is a form of psychological abuse
that should be criminal, if it is currently not.

Complaing loudly, and repeated asking that
a former phsyician return your phonecalls
is NOT abuse.

That is a normal human effort to
ensure one's rights are protected, that one
is given due regard of harm inclicted by another
mental health professional.

Seeking healthcare if one's life is endangered
is NOT harrassment.

Anything less
is primitive.
Raving Loonie - 11 Jun 2005 21:06 GMT
> > > Great article, thanks, Raving.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> I don't know your point Raving,
> But I was the one INTIMIDATED.

IMO, the medical student is made to feel uncomfortable for ' speaking
out '.

It would seem that they are being encouraged to resolve such <things>
in an informal / deferential manner.  ... Just my own opinion, of
course. The various texts speak for themselves. YMMV
Twittering One - 11 Jun 2005 21:13 GMT
> > > > Great article, thanks, Raving.
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> in an informal / deferential manner.  ... Just my own opinion, of
> course. The various texts speak for themselves. YMMV

The profession is set up to "police itself."

This can serve healthcare, or perpetuate abuses.

But the profession does not have the right
to deny a person's experience.

That is the most egregious form of psychological abuse
and torture one can conceive.

In any other field of medicine, injury is measureable.
In mental health, injury is largely observed indirectly,
via behavior or personal narrative.
Raving Loonie - 11 Jun 2005 19:54 GMT
> > > "You mention complaining
> > > to other doctors but they don't handle such complaints either."
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> >
> > Dave M.

The problem ?

The 'attitude' speaks for itself. ...

Simply look at the following excerpt from

   http://postgraduate.medicine.dal.ca/calendar11.html

" ...
The educational environment we want to foster and support in
Postgraduate Medical Education at Dalhousie should:

   * encourage faculty/resident respect
   * encourage the spirit of collegiality and fairness
   * when problems arise, ensure natural justice occurs.

The kinds of unacceptable behaviour that trainees can face include, but
are not limited to:

  1. Verbal abuse: shouting, swearing, belittling, ridiculing,
disparaging remarks of sexist, homophobic, religious and ethnic
grounds;
  2. Physical abuse: throwing objects at, pushing, slapping or
threatening gestures;
  3. Sexual abuse: unwelcome comments, gestures, touching or actions
of a sexual nature;
  4. Workload abuse: contractual infraction, excessive service volume,
lack of supervision, not making reasonable allowances for illness,
disability or leave;
  5. Reprisal for negative feedback of staff or program;
  6. Reprisal for having lodged, or being a witness in, a harassment
or intimidation complaint;
  7. Educational compromise: grading unfairly, reasonable exclusion
from a learning experience.

Guidelines on Harassment/Intimidation:

   * These guidelines are intended to deal with
harassment/intimidation of any nature, sexual or otherwise. The process
is complainant driven, such that the complainant will be consulted
along each step of the way.
   * No one shall be compelled to proceed with a complaint.
   * Intimidation and discrimination will not be tolerated.
   * Confidentiality of the identity of the complainant and the
respondent will be protected to the extent possible.
   * Nothing in these guidelines prevents a person from seeking
assistance or laying a complaint through other procedures available
within or outside the University.
..."
Twittering One - 11 Jun 2005 17:02 GMT
"Complaining to the FBI is pointless, they probably don't handle this
stuff."

If a person's life is/was endangered,
is their business.
Kurt Ullman - 11 Jun 2005 17:55 GMT
>"Complaining to the FBI is pointless, they probably don't handle this
>stuff."
>
>If a person's life is/was endangered,
>is their business.

 Actually it isn;t unless the crime crossed state lines, happened
on an Indian Reservation or other federal facilty. The locals would
be the most likely to get involved.

----
    Ideologue: noun.  Someone who disagrees with the writer on
an issue and is insufficiently apologetic about it.
            Stolen from Billo in misc.writing
Twittering One - 11 Jun 2005 19:33 GMT
> >"Complaining to the FBI is pointless, they probably don't handle this
> >stuff."
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> an issue and is insufficiently apologetic about it.
>             Stolen from Billo in misc.writing

Or if harrassing email was sent from an out-of-the US source.
Kurt Ullman - 12 Jun 2005 02:03 GMT
>Or if harrassing email was sent from an out-of-the US source.

 I missed the part about the out of US source.. mea culpa

----
    Ideologue: noun.  Someone who disagrees with the writer on
an issue and is insufficiently apologetic about it.
            Stolen from Billo in misc.writing
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