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Hayfever and Asthma Associated With Irregular Menses
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ironjustice@aol.com - 27 May 2005 14:50 GMT Now since hemochromatosis / erythrocytosis .. has one symptom which is prevalent .. irregular menses .. and since asthma is treated successfully in MANY patients .. with theophylline .. and since theophylline is used to TREAT .. erythrocytosis .. one wonders whether theophylline IN asthma is .. simply .. treating .. erythrocytosis .. ? --------------------------------------------------------- Hayfever and Asthma Associated With Irregular Menses Those of you who have always felt your hormone levels were affecting your allergies will be interested in a study published in the June 2005 issue of Thorax. This study of Northern European women aged 25 - 54 associates hayfever and asthma with irregular menstrual cycles. The survey was conducted by using questionnaires delivered by mail. The first part of the questionnaire contained questions which covered respiratory symptoms, current asthma medication, and current hay fever. The second part of the questionnaire covered various aspects including hormonal status in women.
After excluding women who were menopausal, pregnant, taking oral contraceptives, or hormone replacement therapy, the final results involved 6,137 women.
According to the study:
The prevalence of irregular menstruation was 23 percent (15 percent in ages 25 - 42, 37 percent in ages 43 - 54).
The prevalence of asthma and allergy was higher in women with irregular menstrual periods than in those with regular menstruation in the age group 25-42 years.
Irregular menstruation was significantly associated with increased risk for asthma, asthma symptoms, and hay fever. The associations were particularly strong for asthma or wheeze preceded by hay fever.
To read the entire results and comments about this study, go to the Source: Thorax 2005;60:445-450 (a pdf file). Reference: Association of asthma and hay fever with irregular menstruation C Svanes, F Gomez Real, T Gislason, C Jansson, R Jo¨gi, E Norrman, L Nystro¨m, K Tore´n, E Omenaas
hemochromatosis / erythrocytosis - genetic condition that causes iron buildup in the body, decreased libido, impotence, infertility, irregular menses
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ironjustiron - 27 May 2005 19:04 GMT > Now since hemochromatosis / erythrocytosis .. has one symptom which is > prevalent .. irregular menses .. and since asthma is treated > successfully in MANY patients .. with theophylline .. and since > theophylline is used to TREAT .. erythrocytosis .. one wonders whether > theophylline IN asthma is .. simply .. treating .. erythrocytosis .. ? The only "one" who wonders is you. It is an easy matter to diagnose both disorders, and there has been no demonstrated correlation between these disorders and asthma, aside from random musings.
ironjustice@aol.com - 28 May 2005 03:44 GMT That is very .. good ..
So what you are saying .. is .. even THOUGH .. asthma patients GET .. hypoxic .. and EVEN THOUGH .. hypoxia .. RESULTS .. in .. increased blood cell mass / polycythemia / erythrocytosis .. there is NO ..'demonstrated' .. increased blood cell mass .. IN .. asthma ..
Hmm ..
Then that would be .. another .. paradox ..
Eh ..
For sure .. man ..
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ironjustiron - 28 May 2005 07:01 GMT Did you miss the part about hormones being the commonality? You still haven't established causality. Eh, indeed.
ironjustice@aol.com - 28 May 2005 04:29 GMT Am J Med. 1983 Mar;74(3):415-20. Related Articles, Links
Improved exercise tolerance of the polycythemic lung patient following phlebotomy.
Chetty KG, Brown SE, Light RW.
The present study evaluated the effects of therapeutic phlebotomy on the exercise tolerance and the maximal carbon dioxide output of polycythemic patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. Fifteen maximal exercise studies were performed before and after phlebotomy in patients with moderate to severe chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (mean forced expiratory volume in one second [FEV1]= 970 ml). After phlebotomy there were no significant differences in pulmonary function, blood gases, oxygen consumption, or carbon dioxide production at rest. However, after phlebotomy there was a significant increase in the exercise tolerance of the patients. The mean workload, the duration of exercise, the maximal oxygen consumption, the maximal carbon dioxide production, and the ventilation at maximal exercise all increased significantly. The improved exercise tolerance after phlebotomy appeared due to an increased cardiac output generated mainly through an increased stroke volume. We hypothesize that the increased stroke volume was due to a higher ejection fraction of the right ventricle secondary to a lower pulmonary artery pressure. This study provides further evidence that patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease who have polycythemia benefit by therapeutic interventions that maintain their hematocrits below 55 percent.
PMID: 6402930 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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ironjustiron - 28 May 2005 06:19 GMT > Am J Med. 1983 Mar;74(3):415-20. Related Articles, Links > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > PMID: 6402930 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Yep, for those with both polycythemia and copd. Phlebotomy is also indicated for polycythemia alone. The common denominator is polycythemia, not copd.
ironjustice@aol.com - 28 May 2005 11:40 GMT ????
You didn't .. really .. say a whole helluva .. lot ..
Asthma accompanies . .. copd .. in .. Ethiopians ..
Polycythemia is COMMON .. in .. copd .. and is treated with .. theophylline ..
Hypoxia .. anoxia .. PRODUCES .. erythrocytosis / polycythemia .. and in asthmatics it ALSO .. produces .. increased blood cell mass .. 'supposedly' .. caused BY the 'lack' of oxygen .. and therefore upregulation of red blood cells to carry oxygen.
Chicken or egg .. I say the increased red blood cells CAUSES .. asthma .. just like in altitude sickness .. and 'they' .. say .. the other way round .. the asthma CAUSES the increased red blood cell mass / erythrocytosis ..
The erythrocytosis IS .. there .. and theophylline .. IS .. used .. but 'they' .. say .. NOT .. for .. THE erythrocytosis COMMONLY found in hypoxic / anoxic .. patients .. ??
Yea.. for sure .. man ..
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ARoberts - 28 May 2005 16:04 GMT > ???? > > You didn't .. really .. say a whole helluva .. lot .. Yes, I left out some extra periods.
> Asthma accompanies . .. copd .. in .. Ethiopians .. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > round .. the asthma CAUSES the increased red blood cell mass / > erythrocytosis .. "They" know science and have performed the studies. You have your causality backwards, that's all.
ironjustice@aol.com - 28 May 2005 16:19 GMT >>"They" know science and have performed the studies. You have your causality backwards, that's all. <<
Lots of studies .. done ..
I have access to JUST .. as .. many ..
And since .. I .. seem to be having .. more success than .. ANYONE IN HISTORY .. I .. would assume then .. I .. have MUCH better .. 'abilities' .. TO .. discern / ascertain .. WHAT .. the study .. ACTUALLY .. means ..
Logic ..
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ironjustice@aol.com - 28 May 2005 17:13 GMT Asthma is KNOWN to .. produce .. erythrocytosis .. increased red blood cell mass .. THE SAME AS COPD .. and 'coincidentally' .. BOTH .. are 'treated' .. WITH .. theophylline ..
In one .. polycythemia .. FOR .. erythrocytosis .. BUT .. in .. asthma .. "we are not really sure .. why .. " ..
Well I'll .. assume .. erythrocytosis ..
http://tinyurl.com/brr5z
Arterial O2 saturation > 92%, ensures that findings arent from secondary polycythemia (e.g. COPD, asthma)
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George Lagergren - 28 May 2005 17:33 GMT Asthma is KNOWN to .. produce .. erythrocytosis .. increased red blood cell mass .. THE SAME AS COPD .. and 'coincidentally' .. BOTH .. are 'treated' .. WITH .. theophylline ..
In one .. polycythemia .. FOR .. erythrocytosis .. BUT .. in .. asthma .. "we are not really sure .. why .. " ..
Well I'll .. assume .. erythrocytosis ..
http://tinyurl.com/brr5z
Arterial O2 saturation > 92%, ensures that findings arent from secondary polycythemia (e.g. COPD, asthma)
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ARoberts - 28 May 2005 21:30 GMT > Asthma is KNOWN to .. produce .. erythrocytosis .. increased red blood > cell mass .. THE SAME AS COPD .. and 'coincidentally' .. BOTH .. are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Well I'll .. assume .. erythrocytosis .. Why would you settle for mere assumption.................a........diety..........just...........KNOWS..............
ironjustice@aol.com - 28 May 2005 23:37 GMT >>Why would you settle for mere assumption.................a........diety..........just...........KNOWS.............. <<
Heh .. heh ..
Hey roberts .. the above .. abusive .. comment .. makes you a .. pussy ..
You .. KNOW .. that ..?
Heh .. heh ..
How DOES .. that .. feel ..
Make everyone at home feel .. proud ..
Eh ..
Now .. since you have PROVEN yourself to BE .. useless .. ON .. a medical thread ..
Why don't you just .. FO .. ?
You think you are of some .. use .. ?
Explain the .. use . .you .. are ..
Comeon ..
I'd like to hear it ..
You have offered nothing so far ..
Let me hear WHAT .. good .. are ya .. ?
Who loves ya. Tom
ARoberts - 29 May 2005 00:09 GMT >>Why would you settle for mere assumption.................a........diety..........just...........KNOWS.............. <<
Heh .. heh ..
Hey roberts .. the above .. abusive .. comment .. makes you a .. pussy ..
You .. KNOW .. that ..?
Heh .. heh ..
How DOES .. that .. feel ..
It makes me feel like doing to you just what you need. See you soon.
ironjustice@aol.com - 29 May 2005 01:27 GMT >>See you soon .<< Heh .. heh ..
Who loves ya. Tom
George Lagergren - 28 May 2005 17:36 GMT Asthma is KNOWN to .. produce .. erythrocytosis .. increased red blood cell mass .. THE SAME AS COPD .. and 'coincidentally' .. BOTH .. are 'treated' .. WITH .. theophylline ..
Could asthma be treated by having the person give up consuming dairy (& cow's milk) products?
ARoberts - 28 May 2005 21:28 GMT >>>"They" know science and have performed the studies. You have your >>>causality [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Logic .. Well there it is. You are the supreme arbiter, and apparently the supreme being. I notice that you mention your son in your sig. Say hi to him.
ironjustice@aol.com - 28 May 2005 23:38 GMT >>Well there it is. You are the supreme arbiter, and apparently the supreme being. I notice that you mention your son in your sig. Say hi to him.<<
Heh .. heh ..
Hey roberts .. the above .. abusive .. comment .. makes you a .. pussy ..
You .. KNOW .. that ..?
Heh .. heh ..
How DOES .. that .. feel ..
Make everyone at home feel .. proud ..
Eh ..
Now .. since you have PROVEN yourself to BE .. useless .. ON .. a medical thread ..
Why don't you just .. FO .. ?
You think you are of some .. use .. ?
Explain the .. use . .you .. are ..
Comeon ..
I'd like to hear it ..
You have offered nothing so far ..
Let me hear WHAT .. good .. are ya .. ?
Who loves ya. Tom
Brad_Chad - 28 May 2005 19:46 GMT If you have hayfever AND asthma, there is a good chance that you have Hidden Food Allergies (allergies that can't be detected by conventional allergy test).
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Susan - 28 May 2005 20:25 GMT > If you have hayfever AND asthma, there is a good chance that you have > Hidden Food Allergies (allergies that can't be detected by conventional > allergy test). > > Brad_Chad62@yahoo.com If you have hayfever AND asthma, you should start by invetigating inhalant allergies first and foremost.
I have both; diet makes no difference. Desensitization to dust and mites, cats, tree, grass and weed pollens and mold helps enormously, as does a room air cleaner and a house with no wall to wall carpeting.
Susan
Brad_Chad - 30 May 2005 08:45 GMT I have been allergic to corn (corn starch, corn syrup) and dairy products for decades. They never showed up on test done by my allergist. I found my Hidden Food Allergies by making some changes in my diet.
I used to have severe hayfever for years. It is now gone because I found my Hidden Food Allergies. I used to have asthma. It is now gone too. My airborne allergies were working with my food allergies to cause my hayfever symptoms.
Brad_Chad
Robert - 30 May 2005 19:14 GMT > I have been allergic to corn (corn starch, corn syrup) and dairy > products for decades. They never showed up on test done by my [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Brad_Chad I used to have childhood asthma and now have not had an asthma attack for decades. I did nothing different. I avoided eating nothing different. It's hard to sell a book based on my success story. Do nothing and get rid of asthma. Want to buy it? Had an allergy specialist do tests and it showed I was allergic to all sorts of things. I still eat shrimp and corn two things that I am supposedly allergic to. I do not get asthma.
Brad_Chad - 30 May 2005 20:47 GMT Let me explain something. I feel fine right now. If I ACCIDENTLY eat something made from corn or dairy products, I will get severe joint pain, diarrhea, and fatigue. If I continue to eat corn or dairy (which I won't do), I will develop signs of eczema in about a week. My hayfever symptoms will also return if I continue to eat corn or dairy. These symptoms will go away once I stop eating these foods. I know this from experience (many times). I can't have anything with corn starch or corn syrup. The vinegar used in processed foods is usually made from corn, so I can't buy mayonnaise, mustard, or ketchup at most supermarkets. I buy most of my processed foods from health food stores.
I didn't find these food allergies from test done by my allergist. I found them by doing something called an elimination diet. It is best to consult your doctor before doing an elimination diet. It takes several days to find out which foods you have a hidden food allergy to. My energy level will also increase if I stay off of corn or dairy, and my skin will look healthier.
Brad_Chad
Robert - 30 May 2005 21:38 GMT > Let me explain something. I feel fine right now. If I ACCIDENTLY eat > something made from corn or dairy products, I will get severe joint [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Brad_Chad That's great. My asthma went away on it's own without me eliminating anything. You can eliminate anything you want.
Brad_Chad - 01 Jun 2005 01:04 GMT If I eat corn or dairy, my asthma will likely come back. My point was that I could make my symptoms come and go, by eating certain foods, and then by eliminating them over a matter of days.
Brad_Chad
Robert - 01 Jun 2005 07:39 GMT > If I eat corn or dairy, my asthma will likely come back. My point was > that I could make my symptoms come and go, by eating certain foods, and > then by eliminating them over a matter of days. > > Brad_Chad Not exactly double blind is it?
ARoberts - 01 Jun 2005 08:53 GMT >> If I eat corn or dairy, my asthma will likely come back. My point was >> that I could make my symptoms come and go, by eating certain foods, and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > Not exactly double blind is it? But usually a non sequitur...
Brad_Chad - 03 Jun 2005 20:17 GMT Why is it that when I forget to check the ingredients in my food, my symptoms reappear BEFORE I can check the label? I guess my body can sense the corn starch or corn syrup without my conscious mind knowing the ingredients for sure.
Brad_Chad
David Wright - 04 Jun 2005 03:08 GMT >Why is it that when I forget to check the ingredients in my food, my >symptoms reappear BEFORE I can check the label? I guess my body can >sense the corn starch or corn syrup without my conscious mind knowing >the ingredients for sure. Nah, you're just psychic. Try to harness these powers for good and not evil, is all I ask.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I don't need someone to tell me that George W. Bush is a deceitful, corrupt, clever and destructive man--that's pretty clear on the face of it." -- Garrison Keillor
Brad_Chad - 04 Jun 2005 18:16 GMT > Nah, you're just psychic. Try to harness these powers for good and > not evil, is all I ask. How am I trying to harness powers for evil? I'm trying to inform people about a possible root cause of their health problems. If egotistical idiots like you, David, thought more about what people were saying, you wouldn't have foot-in-mouth disease. This is a safe, inexpensive way to improve your health. I always invite people to talk this over with a naturopathic doctor or allergist.
Brad_Chad
David Wright - 05 Jun 2005 02:42 GMT >> Nah, you're just psychic. Try to harness these powers for good and >> not evil, is all I ask. >> > How am I trying to harness powers for evil? I'm trying to inform >people about a possible root cause of their health problems. Brad, one of the least charming things about you is that you have absolutely no sense of humor. I was just ribbing you a little, not even taking a position on your allergy claims, and you jump all over me as if I'd attacked you. I didn't even say you were doing evil. Try not to assume the worst, all right?
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George Lagergren - 31 May 2005 03:41 GMT > corn syrup. The vinegar used in processed foods is usually made from > corn, so I can't buy mayonnaise, mustard, or ketchup at most > supermarkets. I buy most of my processed foods from health food stores. Brad, this is good info to know. Many folks put mayo & ketchup on their food.
George Lagergren - 29 May 2005 00:46 GMT > If you have hayfever AND asthma, there is a good chance that you have > Hidden Food Allergies (allergies that can't be detected by conventional > allergy test). Brad, the ROOT cause of hayfever and asthma in some cases could be the drinking of cow's milk.
ironjustice@aol.com - 29 May 2005 19:14 GMT Am J Respir Crit Care Med. 1997 Aug;156(2 Pt 1):375-81. Related Articles, Links
Lactoferrin, a potent tryptase inhibitor, abolishes late-phase airway responses in allergic sheep.
Elrod KC, Moore WR, Abraham WM, Tanaka RD.
Arris Pharmaceutical Corporation, South San Francisco, California 94080, USA.
Tryptase, a serine protease released exclusively from activated mast cells, has been implicated as a potential causative agent in asthma. Enzymatically active tryptase is comprised of four subunits, and heparin stabilizes the associated tetramer. Lactoferrin, a cationic protein released from activated neutrophils, binds tightly to heparin, therefore we investigated lactoferrin as an inhibitor of tryptase and found that it is both a potent (Ki' is 24 nM) and selective inhibitor. Size exclusion chromatography studies revealed that lactoferrin disrupted the quaternary structure of active tryptase. Lactoferrin was tested in an allergic sheep model of asthma; aerosolized lactoferrin (10 mg in 3 ml phosphate-buffered saline, 0.5 h before as well as 4 and 24 h after inhalation challenge by Ascaris suum) abolished both late-phase bronchoconstriction (no significant increase in specific lung resistance 4 to 8 h following provocation, p < 0.05 versus vehicle treatment) and airway hyperresponsiveness (no detectable increase in airway sensitivity to carbachol challenge 24 h after antigen challenge, p < 0.05 versus vehicle). These data suggest tryptase involvement in both late-phase bronchoconstriction and airway hyperreactivity and furthermore suggest that a physiological function of neutrophil lactoferrin is the inhibition of tryptase released from mast cells.
PMID: 9279212 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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ironjustice@aol.com - 30 May 2005 22:12 GMT http://tinyurl.com/cbmvc
Iron dextran should be used with caution in individuals with histories of significant allergies and/or asthma
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