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Hayfever and Asthma Associated With Irregular Menses

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ironjustice@aol.com - 27 May 2005 14:50 GMT
Now since hemochromatosis / erythrocytosis .. has one symptom which is
prevalent .. irregular menses .. and since asthma is treated
successfully in MANY patients .. with theophylline .. and since
theophylline is used to TREAT .. erythrocytosis .. one wonders whether
theophylline IN asthma is .. simply .. treating .. erythrocytosis .. ?
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Hayfever and Asthma Associated With Irregular Menses
Those of you who have always felt your hormone levels were affecting
your allergies will be interested in a study published in the June 2005
issue of Thorax. This study of Northern European women aged 25 - 54
associates hayfever and asthma with irregular menstrual cycles.
The survey was conducted by using questionnaires delivered by mail. The
first part of the questionnaire contained questions which covered
respiratory symptoms, current asthma medication, and current hay fever.
The second part of the questionnaire covered various aspects including
hormonal status in women.

After excluding women who were menopausal, pregnant, taking oral
contraceptives, or hormone replacement therapy, the final results
involved 6,137 women.

According to the study:

The prevalence of irregular menstruation was 23 percent (15 percent in
ages 25 - 42, 37 percent in ages 43 - 54).

The prevalence of asthma and allergy was higher in women with irregular
menstrual periods than in those with regular menstruation in the age
group 25-42 years.

Irregular menstruation was significantly associated with increased risk
for asthma, asthma symptoms, and hay fever. The associations were
particularly strong for asthma or wheeze preceded by hay fever.

To read the entire results and comments about this study, go to the
Source: Thorax 2005;60:445-450 (a pdf file).
Reference: Association of asthma and hay fever with irregular
menstruation C Svanes, F Gomez Real, T Gislason, C Jansson, R Jo¨gi, E
Norrman, L Nystro¨m, K Tore´n, E Omenaas

hemochromatosis / erythrocytosis - genetic condition that causes iron
buildup in the body, decreased libido, impotence, infertility,
irregular menses

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ironjustiron - 27 May 2005 19:04 GMT
> Now since hemochromatosis / erythrocytosis .. has one symptom which is
> prevalent .. irregular menses .. and since asthma is treated
> successfully in MANY patients .. with theophylline .. and since
> theophylline is used to TREAT .. erythrocytosis .. one wonders whether
> theophylline IN asthma is .. simply .. treating .. erythrocytosis .. ?

The only "one" who wonders is you. It is an easy matter to diagnose
both disorders, and there has been no demonstrated correlation between
these disorders and asthma, aside from random musings.
ironjustice@aol.com - 28 May 2005 03:44 GMT
That is very .. good ..

So what you are saying .. is .. even THOUGH .. asthma patients GET ..
hypoxic .. and EVEN THOUGH .. hypoxia .. RESULTS .. in .. increased
blood cell mass / polycythemia / erythrocytosis .. there is NO
..'demonstrated' .. increased blood cell mass .. IN .. asthma ..

Hmm ..

Then that would be .. another .. paradox ..

Eh ..

For sure .. man ..

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ironjustiron - 28 May 2005 07:01 GMT
Did you miss the part about hormones being the commonality?  You still
haven't established causality.  Eh, indeed.
ironjustice@aol.com - 28 May 2005 04:29 GMT
Am J Med. 1983 Mar;74(3):415-20. Related Articles, Links

Improved exercise tolerance of the polycythemic lung patient following
phlebotomy.

Chetty KG, Brown SE, Light RW.

The present study evaluated the effects of therapeutic phlebotomy on
the exercise tolerance and the maximal carbon dioxide output of
polycythemic patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
Fifteen maximal exercise studies were performed before and after
phlebotomy in patients with moderate to severe chronic obstructive
pulmonary disease (mean forced expiratory volume in one second [FEV1]=
970 ml). After phlebotomy there were no significant differences in
pulmonary function, blood gases, oxygen consumption, or carbon dioxide
production at rest. However, after phlebotomy there was a significant
increase in the exercise tolerance of the patients. The mean workload,
the duration of exercise, the maximal oxygen consumption, the maximal
carbon dioxide production, and the ventilation at maximal exercise all
increased significantly. The improved exercise tolerance after
phlebotomy appeared due to an increased cardiac output generated mainly
through an increased stroke volume. We hypothesize that the increased
stroke volume was due to a higher ejection fraction of the right
ventricle secondary to a lower pulmonary artery pressure. This study
provides further evidence that patients with chronic obstructive
pulmonary disease who have polycythemia benefit by therapeutic
interventions that maintain their hematocrits below 55 percent.

PMID: 6402930 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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ironjustiron - 28 May 2005 06:19 GMT
> Am J Med. 1983 Mar;74(3):415-20. Related Articles, Links
>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> PMID: 6402930 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Yep, for those with both polycythemia and copd.  Phlebotomy is also
indicated for polycythemia alone.  The common denominator is
polycythemia, not copd.
ironjustice@aol.com - 28 May 2005 11:40 GMT
????

You didn't .. really .. say a whole helluva .. lot ..

Asthma accompanies . .. copd .. in .. Ethiopians ..

Polycythemia is COMMON .. in .. copd .. and is treated with ..
theophylline ..

Hypoxia .. anoxia .. PRODUCES .. erythrocytosis / polycythemia .. and
in asthmatics it ALSO .. produces .. increased blood cell mass ..
'supposedly' .. caused BY the 'lack' of oxygen .. and therefore
upregulation of red blood cells to carry oxygen.

Chicken or egg .. I say the increased red blood cells CAUSES .. asthma
.. just like in altitude sickness .. and 'they' .. say .. the other way
round .. the asthma CAUSES the increased red blood cell mass /
erythrocytosis ..

The erythrocytosis IS .. there .. and theophylline .. IS .. used .. but
'they' .. say .. NOT .. for .. THE erythrocytosis COMMONLY found in
hypoxic / anoxic .. patients .. ??

Yea.. for sure .. man ..

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ARoberts - 28 May 2005 16:04 GMT
> ????
>
> You didn't .. really .. say a whole helluva .. lot ..

Yes, I left out some extra periods.

> Asthma accompanies . .. copd .. in .. Ethiopians ..
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> round .. the asthma CAUSES the increased red blood cell mass /
> erythrocytosis ..

"They" know science and have performed the studies.  You have your causality
backwards, that's all.
ironjustice@aol.com - 28 May 2005 16:19 GMT
>>"They" know science and have performed the studies.  You have your causality
backwards, that's all.
<<

Lots of studies .. done ..

I have access to JUST .. as .. many ..

And since .. I .. seem to be having .. more success than .. ANYONE IN
HISTORY .. I .. would assume then .. I .. have MUCH better ..
'abilities' .. TO .. discern / ascertain .. WHAT .. the study ..
ACTUALLY .. means ..

Logic ..

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ironjustice@aol.com - 28 May 2005 17:13 GMT
Asthma is KNOWN to .. produce .. erythrocytosis .. increased red blood
cell mass .. THE SAME AS COPD .. and 'coincidentally' .. BOTH .. are
'treated' .. WITH .. theophylline ..

In one .. polycythemia .. FOR .. erythrocytosis .. BUT .. in .. asthma
.. "we are not really sure .. why .. " ..

Well I'll .. assume .. erythrocytosis ..

http://tinyurl.com/brr5z

Arterial O2 saturation  > 92%, ensures that findings arent from
secondary polycythemia (e.g. COPD, asthma)

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George  Lagergren - 28 May 2005 17:33 GMT
Asthma is KNOWN to .. produce .. erythrocytosis .. increased red blood
cell mass .. THE SAME AS COPD .. and 'coincidentally' .. BOTH .. are
'treated' .. WITH .. theophylline ..

In one .. polycythemia .. FOR .. erythrocytosis .. BUT .. in .. asthma
.. "we are not really sure .. why .. " ..

Well I'll .. assume .. erythrocytosis ..

http://tinyurl.com/brr5z

Arterial O2 saturation  > 92%, ensures that findings arent from
secondary polycythemia (e.g. COPD, asthma)

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ARoberts - 28 May 2005 21:30 GMT
> Asthma is KNOWN to .. produce .. erythrocytosis .. increased red blood
> cell mass .. THE SAME AS COPD .. and 'coincidentally' .. BOTH .. are
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Well I'll .. assume .. erythrocytosis ..

Why would you settle for mere
assumption.................a........diety..........just...........KNOWS..............
ironjustice@aol.com - 28 May 2005 23:37 GMT
>>Why would you settle for mere
assumption.................a........diety..........just...........KNOWS..............
<<

Heh .. heh ..

Hey roberts .. the above .. abusive .. comment .. makes you a .. pussy
..

You .. KNOW .. that ..?

Heh .. heh ..

How DOES .. that .. feel ..

Make everyone at home feel .. proud ..

Eh ..

Now .. since you have PROVEN yourself to BE .. useless .. ON .. a
medical thread ..

Why don't you just .. FO .. ?

You think you are of some .. use .. ?

Explain the .. use . .you .. are ..

Comeon ..

I'd like to hear it ..

You have offered nothing so far ..

Let me hear WHAT .. good .. are ya .. ?

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ARoberts - 29 May 2005 00:09 GMT
>>Why would you settle for mere
assumption.................a........diety..........just...........KNOWS..............
<<

Heh .. heh ..

Hey roberts .. the above .. abusive .. comment .. makes you a .. pussy
..

You .. KNOW .. that ..?

Heh .. heh ..

How DOES .. that .. feel ..

It makes me feel like doing to you just what you need.  See you soon.
ironjustice@aol.com - 29 May 2005 01:27 GMT
>>See you soon .<<

Heh .. heh ..

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George  Lagergren - 28 May 2005 17:36 GMT
Asthma is KNOWN to .. produce .. erythrocytosis .. increased red blood
cell mass .. THE SAME AS COPD .. and 'coincidentally' .. BOTH .. are
'treated' .. WITH .. theophylline ..

        Could asthma be treated by having the person give up consuming
dairy (& cow's milk) products?
ARoberts - 28 May 2005 21:28 GMT
>>>"They" know science and have performed the studies.  You have your
>>>causality
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Logic ..

Well there it is.  You are the supreme arbiter, and apparently the supreme
being.  I notice that you mention your son in your sig.  Say hi to him.
ironjustice@aol.com - 28 May 2005 23:38 GMT
>>Well there it is.  You are the supreme arbiter, and apparently the supreme
being.  I notice that you mention your son in your sig.  Say hi to
him.<<

Heh .. heh ..

Hey roberts .. the above .. abusive .. comment .. makes you a .. pussy
..

You .. KNOW .. that ..?

Heh .. heh ..

How DOES .. that .. feel ..

Make everyone at home feel .. proud ..

Eh ..

Now .. since you have PROVEN yourself to BE .. useless .. ON .. a
medical thread ..

Why don't you just .. FO .. ?

You think you are of some .. use .. ?

Explain the .. use . .you .. are ..

Comeon ..

I'd like to hear it ..

You have offered nothing so far ..

Let me hear WHAT .. good .. are ya .. ?

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Brad_Chad - 28 May 2005 19:46 GMT
If you have hayfever AND asthma, there is a good chance that you have
Hidden Food Allergies (allergies that can't be detected by conventional
allergy test).

Brad_Chad62@yahoo.com
Susan - 28 May 2005 20:25 GMT
> If you have hayfever AND asthma, there is a good chance that you have
> Hidden Food Allergies (allergies that can't be detected by conventional
> allergy test).
>
> Brad_Chad62@yahoo.com

If you have hayfever AND asthma, you should start by invetigating
inhalant allergies first and foremost.

I have both; diet makes no difference.  Desensitization to dust and
mites, cats, tree, grass and weed pollens and mold helps enormously, as
 does a room air cleaner and a house with no wall to wall carpeting.

Susan
Brad_Chad - 30 May 2005 08:45 GMT
I have been allergic to corn (corn starch, corn syrup) and dairy
products for decades. They never showed up on test done by my
allergist. I found my Hidden Food Allergies by making some changes in
my diet.

I used to have severe hayfever for years. It is now gone because I
found my Hidden Food Allergies. I used to have asthma. It is now gone
too. My airborne allergies were working with my food allergies to cause
my hayfever symptoms.

Brad_Chad
Robert - 30 May 2005 19:14 GMT
> I have been allergic to corn (corn starch, corn syrup) and dairy
> products for decades. They never showed up on test done by my
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Brad_Chad

I used to have childhood asthma and now have not had an asthma attack for
decades. I did nothing different. I avoided eating nothing different.
It's hard to sell a book based on my success story.
Do nothing and get rid of asthma. Want to buy it?
Had an allergy specialist do tests and it showed I was allergic to all sorts
of things. I still eat shrimp and corn two things that I am supposedly
allergic to. I do not get asthma.
Brad_Chad - 30 May 2005 20:47 GMT
Let me explain something. I feel fine right now. If I ACCIDENTLY eat
something made from corn or dairy products, I will get severe joint
pain, diarrhea, and fatigue. If I continue to eat corn or dairy (which
I won't do), I will develop signs of eczema in about a week. My
hayfever symptoms will also return if I continue to eat corn or dairy.
These symptoms will go away once I stop eating these foods. I know this
from experience (many times). I can't have anything with corn starch or
corn syrup. The vinegar used in processed foods is usually made from
corn, so I can't buy mayonnaise, mustard, or ketchup at most
supermarkets. I buy most of my processed foods from health food stores.

I didn't find these food allergies from test done by my allergist. I
found them by doing something called an elimination diet. It is best to
consult your doctor before doing an elimination diet. It takes several
days to find out which foods you have a hidden food allergy to. My
energy level will also increase if I stay off of corn or dairy, and my
skin will look healthier.

Brad_Chad
Robert - 30 May 2005 21:38 GMT
> Let me explain something. I feel fine right now. If I ACCIDENTLY eat
> something made from corn or dairy products, I will get severe joint
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Brad_Chad

That's great. My asthma went away on it's own without me eliminating
anything. You can eliminate anything you want.
Brad_Chad - 01 Jun 2005 01:04 GMT
If I eat corn or dairy, my asthma will likely come back. My point was
that I could make my symptoms come and go, by eating certain foods, and
then by eliminating them over a matter of days.

Brad_Chad
Robert - 01 Jun 2005 07:39 GMT
> If I eat corn or dairy, my asthma will likely come back. My point was
> that I could make my symptoms come and go, by eating certain foods, and
> then by eliminating them over a matter of days.
>
> Brad_Chad

Not exactly double blind is it?
ARoberts - 01 Jun 2005 08:53 GMT
>> If I eat corn or dairy, my asthma will likely come back. My point was
>> that I could make my symptoms come and go, by eating certain foods, and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>
> Not exactly double blind is it?

But usually a non sequitur...
Brad_Chad - 03 Jun 2005 20:17 GMT
Why is it that when I forget to check the ingredients in my food, my
symptoms reappear BEFORE I can check the label? I guess my body can
sense the corn starch or corn syrup without my conscious mind knowing
the ingredients for sure.

Brad_Chad
David Wright - 04 Jun 2005 03:08 GMT
>Why is it that when I forget to check the ingredients in my food, my
>symptoms reappear BEFORE I can check the label? I guess my body can
>sense the corn starch or corn syrup without my conscious mind knowing
>the ingredients for sure.

Nah, you're just psychic.  Try to harness these powers for good and
not evil, is all I ask.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
      "I don't need someone to tell me that George W. Bush is a
       deceitful, corrupt, clever and destructive man--that's pretty
       clear on the face of it."  -- Garrison Keillor
Brad_Chad - 04 Jun 2005 18:16 GMT
> Nah, you're just psychic.  Try to harness these powers for good and
> not evil, is all I ask.

    How am I trying to harness powers for evil? I'm trying to inform
people about a possible root cause of their health problems. If
egotistical idiots like you, David, thought more about what people were
saying, you wouldn't have foot-in-mouth disease. This is a safe,
inexpensive way to improve your health. I always invite people to talk
this over with a naturopathic doctor or allergist.

Brad_Chad
David Wright - 05 Jun 2005 02:42 GMT
>> Nah, you're just psychic.  Try to harness these powers for good and
>> not evil, is all I ask.
>>
>     How am I trying to harness powers for evil? I'm trying to inform
>people about a possible root cause of their health problems.

Brad, one of the least charming things about you is that you have
absolutely no sense of humor.  I was just ribbing you a little,
not even taking a position on your allergy claims, and you jump
all over me as if I'd attacked you.  I didn't even say you were
doing evil.  Try not to assume the worst, all right?

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
      "I don't need someone to tell me that George W. Bush is a
       deceitful, corrupt, clever and destructive man--that's pretty
       clear on the face of it."  -- Garrison Keillor
George  Lagergren - 31 May 2005 03:41 GMT
> corn syrup. The vinegar used in processed foods is usually made from
> corn, so I can't buy mayonnaise, mustard, or ketchup at most
> supermarkets. I buy most of my processed foods from health food stores.

         Brad, this is good info to know.  Many folks put mayo & ketchup on
their food.
George  Lagergren - 29 May 2005 00:46 GMT
> If you have hayfever AND asthma, there is a good chance that you have
> Hidden Food Allergies (allergies that can't be detected by conventional
> allergy test).

           Brad, the ROOT cause of hayfever and asthma in some cases could
be the drinking of cow's milk.
ironjustice@aol.com - 29 May 2005 19:14 GMT
Am J Respir Crit Care Med. 1997 Aug;156(2 Pt 1):375-81. Related
Articles, Links

Lactoferrin, a potent tryptase inhibitor, abolishes late-phase airway
responses in allergic sheep.

Elrod KC, Moore WR, Abraham WM, Tanaka RD.

Arris Pharmaceutical Corporation, South San Francisco, California
94080, USA.

Tryptase, a serine protease released exclusively from activated mast
cells, has been implicated as a potential causative agent in asthma.
Enzymatically active tryptase is comprised of four subunits, and
heparin stabilizes the associated tetramer. Lactoferrin, a cationic
protein released from activated neutrophils, binds tightly to heparin,
therefore we investigated lactoferrin as an inhibitor of tryptase and
found that it is both a potent (Ki' is 24 nM) and selective inhibitor.
Size exclusion chromatography studies revealed that lactoferrin
disrupted the quaternary structure of active tryptase. Lactoferrin was
tested in an allergic sheep model of asthma; aerosolized lactoferrin
(10 mg in 3 ml phosphate-buffered saline, 0.5 h before as well as 4 and
24 h after inhalation challenge by Ascaris suum) abolished both
late-phase bronchoconstriction (no significant increase in specific
lung resistance 4 to 8 h following provocation, p < 0.05 versus vehicle
treatment) and airway hyperresponsiveness (no detectable increase in
airway sensitivity to carbachol challenge 24 h after antigen challenge,
p < 0.05 versus vehicle). These data suggest tryptase involvement in
both late-phase bronchoconstriction and airway hyperreactivity and
furthermore suggest that a physiological function of neutrophil
lactoferrin is the inhibition of tryptase released from mast cells.

PMID: 9279212 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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ironjustice@aol.com - 30 May 2005 22:12 GMT
http://tinyurl.com/cbmvc

Iron dextran should be used with caution in individuals with histories
of significant allergies and/or asthma

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