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Medical Forum / General / General / June 2005Legislation allowing use of public restroom
The following is the online write-up of a TV news story about a person with a medical condition who was not allowed to use a restroom when it was necessary. http://www.nbc5.com/health/4487759/detail.html I sure wish there were federal regulations that made this a public health issue > The following is the online write-up of a TV news story about a person > with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I sure wish there were federal regulations that made this a public health > issue It's not a public health issue -- it's a public convenience issue. It's a case of an overzealous legislature making a law to force people act compassionate. A ridiculous waste of taxpayer money. HMc >> The following is the online write-up of a TV news story about a person >> with [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > HMc Nest time, the young lady should just poop on a pile of the store's pants. Bill "Howard McCollister" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in part: >> The following is the online write-up of a TV news story about a person >> with [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >HMc I agree with your comment, but only as far as it goes. It's an important public convenience and should be provided with tax money and not coerced out of private businesses. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA > "Howard McCollister" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > -- > Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA Depends where the public toilets are placed. Any store of a certain size upwards in Australia has long been forced, by legislation, to provide public toilets or allow access to staff toilets. My local store has an underground carpark. Of a night a security guard shuts the gates to the carpark and checks no-one is around. No-one is. Yet in the morning they find the toilets vandalised, needles from drug users littering the toilet everywhere or in quite a few cases, dead people from shooting up. The store threw up it's figurative arms in disgust and closed the toilets and got into trouble for it. So, periodically, they close them and put up a sign "for renovation" which gets them out of trouble in order to make the drug addicts and idiots find another target and then they open them again and it starts all over again. I wonder if that store had have had access to staff toilets but the toilets were closed to anyone for renovation whether this story would have been an issue at all? Kind of curious why some of you think it's only a 'convenience'? Are you really not aware of the serious health implication when a person who has an urgent need is not able to? We must eat, take in fluid, breath air and void waste. It's life. Some people can go for 24 hours without a problem but on the other end are people who must go much more often or people who unexpectantly have an urgent need. Every had food poisoning? > "Howard McCollister" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > -- > Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA Depends where the public toilets are placed. Any store of a certain size upwards in Australia has long been forced, by legislation, to provide public toilets or allow access to staff toilets. My local store has an underground carpark. Of a night a security guard shuts the gates to the carpark and checks no-one is around. No-one is. Yet in the morning they find the toilets vandalised, needles from drug users littering the toilet everywhere or in quite a few cases, dead people from shooting up. The store threw up it's figurative arms in disgust and closed the toilets and got into trouble for it. So, periodically, they close them and put up a sign "for renovation" which gets them out of trouble in order to make the drug addicts and idiots find another target and then they open them again and it starts all over again. I wonder if that store had have had access to staff toilets but the toilets were closed to anyone for renovation whether this story would have been an issue at all? > Kind of curious why some of you think it's only a 'convenience'? Are you > really not aware of the serious health implication when a person who has [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > but on the other end are people who must go much more often or people who > unexpectantly have an urgent need. Every had food poisoning? No, I'm really not aware. What "serious health implications" would those be? HMc >> Kind of curious why some of you think it's only a 'convenience'? Are you >> really not aware of the serious health implication when a person who has [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >HMc Well, some folks (me included) will go into urinary retention if the bladder gets too full, and that can (and has) happened when a toilet is unavailable. But that is the individual's risk and IMHO he has to look after himself to minimize the consequences. I don't think you can compel others to always anticipate any health issues anyone might have. I think most of the time if you ask nicely, you will get cooperation from others if they can help. But what if you are stuck in stop-and-go Interstate traffic and it is 10 minutes to the next interchange, but you have to go NOW? What if you are in the dentist's chair having a root canal and the urge hits? What if you are in a plane and the seatbelt sign is on because of turbulence? Pilots of small craft need to pee, and it can sometimes be a major issue. Likewise with soldiers driving tanks. Washrooms in public parks are commonly locked in the off-season. Washrooms in schools often have locks on them and are locked up on weekends, etc.. Consider your options beforehand and accept the risks. (I carry an emergency pee bottle in the car with me...) Ed In the U.S. a long time back almost all towns had at least one 'comfort station'. For what ever reason, probably crime and up keep, it was decided it would be better if business's that catered to the public provided restrooms and, as I said earlier, they made it a requirement of their building codes. As just about everywhere in the US, allowing a customer to use the restroom is most likely a condition of doing business in Illinois. That's why I get angry about what caused this note, the story on the TV Show. http://www.nbc5.com/health/4487759/detail.html It's the same thing as a construction permit for new housing development that requires sidewalks. After the buildings are up, it's expected that the sidewalks will not be closed On 15 May 2005 18:03:02 -0500, "Howard McCollister" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote: >> Kind of curious why some of you think it's only a 'convenience'? Are >> you [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >HMc Well, some folks (me included) will go into urinary retention if the bladder gets too full, and that can (and has) happened when a toilet is unavailable. But that is the individual's risk and IMHO he has to look after himself to minimize the consequences. I don't think you can compel others to always anticipate any health issues anyone might have. I think most of the time if you ask nicely, you will get cooperation from others if they can help. But what if you are stuck in stop-and-go Interstate traffic and it is 10 minutes to the next interchange, but you have to go NOW? What if you are in the dentist's chair having a root canal and the urge hits? What if you are in a plane and the seatbelt sign is on because of turbulence? Pilots of small craft need to pee, and it can sometimes be a major issue. Likewise with soldiers driving tanks. Washrooms in public parks are commonly locked in the off-season. Washrooms in schools often have locks on them and are locked up on weekends, etc.. Consider your options beforehand and accept the risks. (I carry an emergency pee bottle in the car with me...) Ed >(I carry an emergency pee bottle in the car with me...) I discovered, during a long solo car ride, that my bladder holds more fluid than a Snapple bottle. They say men can't stop peeing once they've started, but I can attest that, yes, we can, but it HURTS LIKE HELL! PF >>(I carry an emergency pee bottle in the car with me...) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > PF This is the latest in incar sanitation! Derek. http://www.indipod.com/# Interesting video but I can't imagine anyone would want to go to all that trouble This is the latest in incar sanitation! Derek. http://www.indipod.com/# > Kind of curious why some of you think it's only a 'convenience'? Are you Thanks for saying that but I didnt so I dont know how to answer you. "NNTP" <t5@soalex.us> wrote in part: >Kind of curious why some of you think it's only a 'convenience'? It's just a matter of precision with the language. It's not a health issue because one can choose to "go" wherever one is. Health issue solved. That doesn't mean that there aren't huge reasons to provide the convenience. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA Interesting story on the subject http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/buggingyou/wabc_buggingyou_052405publicrestroom s.html BTW Jim - I think not being able to 'go' when you have to, especially when it happens often, does cause medical problems. bladder infections, kidney disease and ironically frequently having to hold it can actually make a bladder problem worse. "NNTP" <t5@soalex.us> wrote in part: >Kind of curious why some of you think it's only a 'convenience'? It's just a matter of precision with the language. It's not a health issue because one can choose to "go" wherever one is. Health issue solved. That doesn't mean that there aren't huge reasons to provide the convenience. -- Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA "I sure wish there were federal regulations hat made this a public health issue" ~ NNTP Are there none? Or were they merely not enforced? If you tell a mental health professional you need help filing a HIPAA complaint form (and you have ADD, as well as other disabilites at the time), and you report verbally to the professional, Who takes the next steps? Who takes the next steps? Rosa Parks. So did I. So must you. Represent for others, Help them do What they are unable to do. ~ * A Morning Wood Public Privet Ledge * ~ ! ** And now ~ _________________________________________ A Morning Wood Moral Reminder ~ * ` !You MUST Go Out Into the world and DO The RIGHT Thing! * __________________________________________ ~ Now accepting reservations For the Spring Season ~ ! ~ * ~ ! 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If you tell a mental health professional you need help filing a complaint for an abusive therapeutic relationship (and you have ADD, as well as other disabilites at the time), and you report verbally to the professional, Who takes the next steps? The State building codes require that there be toilets for employees and customers but there's no way to enforce them for customers. OHSA laws make sure that the employee's are allowed to use them "I sure wish there were federal regulations hat made this a public health issue" ~ NNTP Are there none? Or were they merely not enforced? If you tell a mental health professional you need help filing a complaint for an abusive therapeutic relationship (and you have ADD, as well as other disabilites at the time), and you report verbally to the professional, Who takes the next steps? NNTP commented courteously... > http://www.nbc5.com/health/4487759/detail.html This is total bullshit (the store manager, not Ally)! I have IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome) which can have similar symptoms as Crohn's, namely the sudden urge to take a crap, although IBS is seldom painful. I've had similar situations in stores and restaurants as Ally did. Sometimes I have only minutes "warning", and sometimes only seconds, so I tell the manager he/she has 2 choices: let me use the employee john or I'm pulling my pants down and sh.tting on your floor! Or, if the mensroom is busy or out-of-order (which is a public health violation), I give the manager a 3rd choice: I use the women's john. This in-your-face attitude has worked every time. I suppose the twit could call the fuzz for a "disturbing the peace" charge, but when ya gots ta go, ya gots ta go! I've had similar experiences on airliners when the seatbelt sign is "lit". I just push right past the flight attendents and use the porta potty. I don't do anything to endanger myself or other passengers, but pilots will turn on that God Damn light for 30 minutes at takeoff and landing. For example, a flight from Detroit Metro to Chicago O'Hare is just a tweak over an hour, so half the flight the nose is up and the seatbelt sign is lit, and the other half, the pilot aims the nose down. There's only about 10 minutes of level flight, just long enough for the flight attendents to offer refreshments (but today, that's almost a thing of the past anyway)  SignatureATM, aka Jerry > The following is the online write-up of a TV news story about a person > with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I sure wish there were federal regulations that made this a public health > issue I agree that this is a convience issue. No store *has* to have public restrooms. If you feel differently, do go to stores without public restrooms. Vote with your wallet. Jeff wrong > wrong Why is it wrong? I did mean to say that if you disagree, don't go to stores without public restrooms. Stores are there to sell products. They aren't there to provide public restrooms. However, if you think public restrooms in stores are that important, go only to stores with public restrooms. If enough people do this, only stores with public restrooms will survive. Jeff >Stores are there to sell products. They aren't there to provide public >restrooms. However, if you think public restrooms in stores are that >important, go only to stores with public restrooms. If enough people do >this, only stores with public restrooms will survive. Why, Jeff, I didn't know you were a Libertarian! Now I don't miss JG so much anymore! PF >>Stores are there to sell products. They aren't there to provide public >>restrooms. However, if you think public restrooms in stores are that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Why, Jeff, I didn't know you were a Libertarian! Now I don't miss JG > so much anymore! Damn! I had forgot about her. And that wasn't a bad thing. My political views are not those of any party. They coincide with some political parties, but that is only because the politcal party has the proper view on that issue ;-) My political views tend to align most closely with the democratic parrty, though. Jeff > PF I absolutely agree..the fasct is weith more and more chronic illnesses developing among the population which affect either bowle or urinary function I am amazed at how America does not consider its citizens to have the necessity of pubklic bathrooms everywhere among with federal regulation for bathroom access. It won't happen though if people don't raise their voices. medusa > The following is the online write-up of a TV news story about a person with > a medical condition who was not allowed to use a restroom when it was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I sure wish there were federal regulations that made this a public health > issue >I absolutely agree..the fasct is weith more and more chronic illnesses > developing among the population which affect either bowle or urinary > function I am amazed at how America > does not consider its citizens to have the necessity of pubklic bathrooms > everywhere among with federal regulation for bathroom access. > It won't happen though if people don't raise their voices. You're clueless....of course there are public bathrooms - just like everywhere else in the civilised world. The issue raised by the OP is whether or not people should be allowed to use *private* bathrooms. HMc |
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