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Robert McGurskie - 01 May 2005 01:07 GMT
I want to purchase a 4D ultrasound machine and offer a service to expecting
mothers.  Can someone with no medical credentials do that?

Thanks.
Howard McCollister - 01 May 2005 01:23 GMT
>I want to purchase a 4D ultrasound machine and offer a service to expecting
>mothers.  Can someone with no medical credentials do that?

Sure. Anyone can do ultrasound.

For more information, check out http://4D-ultrasound4trolls.com

HMc
Robert McGurskie - 01 May 2005 01:40 GMT
I'm not a troll and my question was sincere.  I have the technical resources
to operate the machine.  My question was whether I could do so for reasons
that were not for a medical purpose.

Thanks (I think).

>>I want to purchase a 4D ultrasound machine and offer a service to
>>expecting mothers.  Can someone with no medical credentials do that?
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>
> HMc
Jim Chinnis - 01 May 2005 02:33 GMT
"Robert McGurskie" <no@spam-please.com> wrote in part:

>I'm not a troll and my question was sincere.  I have the technical resources
>to operate the machine.  My question was whether I could do so for reasons
>that were not for a medical purpose.

Maybe you should be clear about what purposes you have in mind,
rather than posting an ambiguous query in a medical group.
--
Jim Chinnis   Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Howard McCollister - 01 May 2005 04:03 GMT
> I'm not a troll and my question was sincere.  I have the technical
> resources to operate the machine.  My question was whether I could do so
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>>>I want to purchase a 4D ultrasound machine and offer a service to
>>>expecting mothers.  Can someone with no medical credentials do that?

How is one to interpret someone with no medical knowledge or training that
wants to buy an ultrasound machine to "offer a service to expecting
mothers"? You said nothing about "not for a medical purpose".

The "technical resources" to operate the machine are negligible. Ultrsound
machines are diagnostic devices that are all about anatomy and physiology.

Ultrasound machines are classified by the FDA ( its Center for Devices and
Radiological Health ) as Class 3 medical devices, radiation emitting, and
are required to be labeled as a device that can only be used on the order or
prescription of a licensed practicioner (physician, dentist,
veterinarian).Every 2D, 3D, 4D ultrasound machine on the market is so
labeled and federal law prohibits using such a device "in a manner
inconsistent with its labeling".

So, no, you can't buy a medical ultrasound machine.

HMc
urillan - 06 May 2005 19:41 GMT
What HMc isn't mentioning is that there are no valid reasons for the
prohibiting of the sales of the machines to the lay public, now is
there?

Radiation emitting, umm.. like a bird, or the human mouth, or a
television, or the telephone, or a hair-dryer, or maybe even just a
flashlight?  They are radiation emitting.  It's not ionizing radiation,
in fact, it's not even atomic radiation.  It's merely sound (which is
classified as radiation, only because it's SOMEWHERE distantly
positioned on the radio spectrum).

There haven't been any studies showing damage from ultra-sound
"radiation" in humans.  The studies that have been done (over the past
30 years) have shown that even on the fetus, there have been no studies
demonstrating adverse effects of any sort.  Granted, they are, through
fluid, uncomfortably loud, and can cause heating; but if there were any
bad side effects, they'd have been splashed over every newspaper, and
the like.

The reason the FDA and most doctors don't want these machines in
lay-hands is "interpretation" and faulting issues.  Let's say a guy
buys a machine, and let's his pregnant neice use it, and she sees that
the baby's ribs don't look right.  Well, that's not going to sound
right to doctors -- imagine the question : "how do you know what your
baby's ribs look like"?

It's the very same reason doctors stopped letting you video-tape the
sonogram and births.  You, in their eyes, have no reason to look at
information that only directly relates to you.

Hospitals and practices charge lots of money to operate a machine that
costs a mere 100k.  After about 200 uses, the machine is paid for.
Ahh, the other thing is that the practictioners claim "well, who's
going to interpret the results"...  Sorry guys, the majority don't care
about interprets, they just wanna look.

And they should be allowed to.

The FDA is a bloody joke, and everyone knows it.  They BAN ultrasounds
because they are actually safe.  They ALLOWED drugs which they KNEW had
serious problems.  All because SOLELY of profit motives.
Howard McCollister - 06 May 2005 20:23 GMT
> What HMc isn't mentioning is that there are no valid reasons for the
> prohibiting of the sales of the machines to the lay public, now is
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> because they are actually safe.  They ALLOWED drugs which they KNEW had
> serious problems.  All because SOLELY of profit motives.

Personally, I don't care if people have their own ultrasound machines. How
would that possibly affect doctors, or hospitals, or whomever owns them now?

Let's say a guy buys a machine, and lets his pregnant niece use it, and she
sees that the baby's ribs don't look right. She calls the doctor, and he
says, "bring the child in an we'll do an ultrasound and check". I personally
own two ultrasound machines, and it sounds to me like ultrasound machines in
the hands of the untrained lay public would be a good deal.

OK, I'm all for it. Ultrasound machines for sale at WalMart. You write up
the petition to the FDA and I'll sure sign it. And so would every doctor in
the country that owns an ultrasound machine, I'll bet.

HMc
 
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