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Although early reports call this a cardiac arrest, it could still have been part of altitude sickness. http://www.mountaineering.ie/features/general/highaltitude.htm Canadian climber dies on Everest Last Updated Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:30:59 EDT CBC News http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/04/29/egan-everest050429.html OTTAWA - A 63-year-old Ottawa man attempting to become the oldest Canadian to climb to the summit of Mount Everest died Friday on the mountain. Dr. Sean Egan died before noon local time after leaving Everest's base camp on his way to a lower altitude. He had been suffering from a respiratory infection and was going to seek medical help. Dr. Sean Egan It's believed he suffered a cardiac arrest, said a news release from Tim Redpath, a spokesperson for the expedition. A professor of human kinetics, Egan had been leading a team of about 20 Canadian climbers from Ryerson University and the University of Ottawa. Egan was an experienced climber and self-described fitness fanatic. It was his third trip to the mountain, and was to be his first summit attempt. > Although early reports call this a cardiac arrest, it could still have > been part of altitude sickness. > http://www.mountaineering.ie/features/general/highaltitude.htm Cardiac arrest just means his heart stopped. So altitude sickness can definitely be part of it. Jeff > Canadian climber dies on Everest > Last Updated Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:30:59 EDT [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > was his third trip to the mountain, and was to be his first summit > attempt. More likely it was a consequence of a myocardial infarction in a 63 year old **male** fitness fanatic with a respiratory infection. At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2A821CEA (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > Although early reports call this a cardiac arrest, it could still have > been part of altitude sickness. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > was his third trip to the mountain, and was to be his first summit > attempt. > More likely it was a consequence of a myocardial infarction in a 63 year > old **male** fitness fanatic with a respiratory infection. The news reports said Dr. Egan died of a heart attack. I guess altitude sickness might have been a contributing factor. But I don't think altitude sickness causes sudden t death like heart attacks can. Jeff http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1114785321963_13/?hub=Canada > At His service, > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >> was his third trip to the mountain, and was to be his first summit >> attempt. > > More likely it was a consequence of a myocardial infarction in a 63 year > > old **male** fitness fanatic with a respiratory infection. > > The news reports said Dr. Egan died of a heart attack. q.e.d. At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048 (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2A821CEA (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > q.e.d. And in another post today... Someone said: >>As you said it was a rhetorical question that pretty much told me not >>to answer it. Chung says: >And, yet you still chose to struggle to answer a simple question that >was rhetorical. >q.e.d. Brrrrrilliant logic. Tell them not to answer the question, then fault them for not answering the question. Poster boy for sound mind and a sound body... Bwah... Funny how I wrote that Q.E.D. earlier today and the mighty Chung has now picked it up as his new fave... What I actually said was: "Things are true because you say they are. The only thing that matters is how sure you sound when you say it." Res ipsa loquitur. Q.E.D. <LOL> Foolish Chung clown Pastorio Dear Bob: http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A The way to the truth is straight and narrow: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-) http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew  SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2A821CEA (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > > q.e.d. > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Pastorio SignatureAt His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2A821CEA (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > > q.e.d. > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Pastorio SignatureAt His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2A821CEA (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Uh-oh... ...nothing. Just signed his name to my loving, if, unfortunately for him, accurate, post. Bwah... What an endorsement. Poor booger got so festered and fermented that he couldn't write a word. White knuckles, thin lips compressed to a slashed line of hatred, temporary inability to even remember how to press the macro keys. Poor guy so disrupted he can't do one easy thing after hitting "reply." What's the hot scrip for people needing sleep and a break from their stresses? Ambien ok...? Maybe with a side order of Haldol garnished with Paxil and Welbutrin? Ya think? Lithium? Somebody write a scrip for the poor guy before his entire head implodes from his obsessive, self-imposed duress... "A cat’s meow and a cow’s moo, I can recite ’em all, Just tell me where it hurts yuh, honey, And I’ll tell you who to call. Nobody can get no sleep, There’s someone on ev’ryone’s toes But when Chung the cardio gets here, Ev’rybody’s gonna wanna doze. Come all who talked, come all who've sung, You’ll not see nothing like the mighty Chung." With reciprocal love for the mighty Chung. Pastorio >>>q.e.d. >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> >>Pastorio Oops, sorry. Though my Lord and Savior is perfect, I am not: http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A The way to the truth is straight and narrow: http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Lord Christ's holy name. May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom. Here's how: http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2 arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the 2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make His presence known here on Usenet :-) Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16 oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what "omer" literally means in Hebrew. Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS) thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-) http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp At His service, Andrew SignatureAndrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2A821CEA (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 > Uh-oh... > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > >> > >>Pastorio > Although early reports call this a cardiac arrest, it could still have > been part of altitude sickness. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > was his third trip to the mountain, and was to be his first summit > attempt. Much better then dying in bed usually. Lots of connotations but active till the end is of very high esteem here. The question of just what is longevity comes too mind along with Neil YoungŒs lament that it is better to burn out then to fade away. I hope Egan and his extended family the best. A good example on how to deal with this thing called life and living. Bill SignatureZone 5 S Jersey USA Shade garden in a Jungle Japanese manner Vision problems? http://www.ocutech.com/ we own two. "oeuf tôt pique " Lover 39.615557 N, 75.04088 W > > Although early reports call this a cardiac arrest, it could still have > > been part of altitude sickness. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Last Updated Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:30:59 EDT > > CBC News http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/04/29/egan-everest050429.html > > OTTAWA - A 63-year-old Ottawa man attempting to become the oldest > > Canadian to climb to the summit of Mount Everest died Friday on the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > The question of just what is longevity comes too mind along with Neil > Youngs lament that it is better to burn out then to fade away. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Vision problems? http://www.ocutech.com/ we own two. > "oeuf tôt pique " Lover 39.615557 N, 75.04088 W I'm sure you're right Bill. First it sounds like Egan was doing things right. He was descending. His assault on the summit wasn't planned for a couple days yet. If he had not become ill he would have spent quite some time acclimatizing at base camp. This man had courage, and smarts; he was willing to give up yet another try at the summit because he knew it was the right thing to do. There's not a climber who wouldn't say they would rather die like Egan did than in some drawn out death, or life where he would be a shadow of himself. Zee I'm sure you're right Bill. First it sounds like Egan was doing things right. He was descending. His assault on the summit wasn't planned for a couple days yet. If he had not become ill he would have spent quite some time acclimatizing at base camp. This man had courage, and smarts; he was willing to give up yet another try at the summit because he knew it was the right thing to do. There's not a climber who wouldn't say they would rather die like Egan did than in some drawn out death, or life where he would be a shadow of himself. Zee Jeff writes: Although I totally understand your sentiment, I think there are those who would disagree with it. The previous Pope had a long and noble death. He was quite an active man, even into his later years. Certainly a different approach to the end of life. BTW, this was Egan's first attempt at the summit (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1114785321963_13/?hub=Canada). Jeff > I'm sure you're right Bill. First it sounds like Egan was doing things > right. He was descending. His assault on the summit wasn't planned for [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > would disagree with it. The previous Pope had a long and noble death. He was > quite an active man, even into his later years. Certainly a different > approach to the end of life. > > BTW, this was Egan's first attempt at the summit (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1114785321963_13/?hub=Canada). > Jeff The former Pope did not live the same kind of life. And I respectfully disagree with your assessement of that life during his last years. Egan did not "attempt" the summit previously but he was on Everest twice for research (and as part of training for summit.) He also did Aconagua a couple months ago....the standard precursor. Zee > I'm sure you're right Bill. First it sounds like Egan was doing things > right. He was descending. His assault on the summit wasn't planned for [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > would disagree with it. The previous Pope had a long and noble death. He was > quite an active man, even into his later years. Certainly a different > approach to the end of life. > > BTW, this was Egan's first attempt at the summit (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1114785321963_13/?hub=Canada). > Jeff This is the last entry in a blog diary done by Harld Mah, one of Egan's team. It sounds more like a heart attack than altitude sickness, although especially in someone his age with a respiratory infection surely both. Although he was very fit, apparently, not all fitness translates to climbing fitness. One needs a spectacular cardiopulmonary system. http://www.kanatek.com/everest/diary_04_29.htm > I'm sure you're right Bill. First it sounds like Egan was doing things > right. He was descending. His assault on the summit wasn't planned for [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > would disagree with it. The previous Pope had a long and noble death. He was > quite an active man, even into his later years. Certainly a different > approach to the end of life. > > BTW, this was Egan's first attempt at the summit (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1114785321963_13/?hub=Canada). > Jeff Hmm, "a long and noble death," there is something not often sought or contemplated. >It's believed he suffered a cardiac arrest, said a news release from >Tim Redpath, a spokesperson for the expedition. From thousands of miles away, and without knowing a damn thing about this individual or the circumstances of his death, I can say with absolute certainty that he did, indeed, suffer cardiac arrest. There. I hope this settles the question. I believe you. Honest. But tell us, how you, Carey Gregory, EMT extraordinaire, know this. With absolute certainty. Zee >I believe you. Honest. But tell us, how you, Carey Gregory, EMT >extraordinaire, know this. With absolute certainty. Because cardiac arrest is the "cause" of death in virtually 100% of all deaths. The only exceptions I can think of are being blown to bits, being rendered to ashes instantaneously, or otherwise ceasing to exist physically. Cardiac arrest is not a *cause* of death. It is a *sign* of death. People bandy it about as if it explains something when in fact it explains nothing whatsoever. Everyone dies of cardiac arrest. The question is why their heart stopped. >>It's believed he suffered a cardiac arrest, said a news release from >>Tim Redpath, a spokesperson for the expedition. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > There. I hope this settles the question. Yes, cardiac arrest is ultimately the cause of death in the vast majority of deaths. HMc > >>It's believed he suffered a cardiac arrest, said a news release from > >>Tim Redpath, a spokesperson for the expedition. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > HMc But the question in question was: what was the *cause* of the his death/cardiac arrest. ie) was it altitude sickness? > But the question in question was: what was the *cause* of the his > death/cardiac arrest. ie) was it altitude sickness? I don't know the cause of his cardiac arrest, but I know that cardiac arrest was the direct cause of his death. HMc >But the question in question was: what was the *cause* of the his >death/cardiac arrest. ie) was it altitude sickness? Yep, that is the question. I have no idea why he died, but I would imagine that whatever it was, altitude and exertion quite likely played a role. Or not. Maybe he would have died at precisely the same time if he had been relaxing in a San Francisco oxygen bar instead of climbing Mt. Everest. >>>It's believed he suffered a cardiac arrest, said a news release from >>>Tim Redpath, a spokesperson for the expedition. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Yes, cardiac arrest is ultimately the cause of death in the vast majority of >deaths. And all dead people have hearts that are not beating. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "His staff loves to say Bush is a man who doesn't know the meaning of the word 'quit.' Well, apparently he's not all that conversant with the word 'shame' either." (Will Durst) > >>>It's believed he suffered a cardiac arrest, said a news release from > >>>Tim Redpath, a spokesperson for the expedition. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > And all dead people have hearts that are not beating. Except for "brain-dead" people. At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist ** Suggested Reading: (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2B851EFA (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129 >And all dead people have hearts that are not beating. Which, somehow, just proves how corrupt and incompetent doctors and big pharma are. > >And all dead people have hearts that are not beating. > > Which, somehow, just proves how corrupt and incompetent doctors and big > pharma are. ... and how great the Lord is because He has beaten death. Lord Jesus has risen ! At His service, Andrew -- Andrew B. 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