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Should Ex-Smokers Worry?
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MrPepper11 - 26 Apr 2005 06:35 GMT April 26, 2005 Should Ex-Smokers Worry? People Who Have Quit Account For an Increasing Percentage Of Victims of Lung Cancer By KEVIN HELLIKER Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
A few days ago, a friend told me she used to smoke. This was news to me. During the 15 years I've known her, she has been a health-conscious mother of two. The smoking occurred during her teens and 20s, she told me. Now it had her worried. "Peter Jennings," she said.
Kicking the habit is supposed to free nicotine addicts from worry. But the former smoker often continues sharing the primary fear of the current one: lung cancer. That worry deepened this month when Mr. Jennings, anchor of ABC's "World News Tonight," informed viewers he had lung cancer. The part that was especially scary for former smokers was when he said that, except for a brief relapse in 2001, he had quit smoking 20 years ago.
An alarming-sounding trend may add to this jolt: Former smokers are rising as a percentage of lung-cancer victims, and current smokers are declining, according to the American Cancer Society. This has led some clinicians to wonder if the risks for former smokers are understated. Many ex-smokers like my friend find themselves wondering, "Should I be screened for lung cancer?"
Certainly no amount of smoking has been shown to be risk-free. But research long has demonstrated that quitting smoking significantly reduces the risk of cardiovascular disease, lung cancer and emphysema -- the biggest health problems associated with smoking. The rising proportion of nonsmokers among lung-cancer victims merely reflects the growth in the legions of Americans who have freed themselves from a powerful addiction.
With significant declines in the smoking rate -- for example, 25% of men in this country smoke today, compared with 57% 50 years ago -- there are now more former smokers than current ones, says Michael Thun, who heads epidemiological research for the American Cancer Society in Atlanta. In all, former and current smokers will account for about 87% of the anticipated 163,500 deaths this year from lung cancer, which kills more Americans than any other kind of cancer, according to the cancer society.
New research is suggesting that those who quit early enough have little reason to worry. A 50-year study of cigarette-addicted British doctors published last summer in the British Medical Journal found that on average smokers lived 10 fewer years than nonsmokers. The study also found that those who quit smoking at age 30 or younger had roughly the same life expectancy as people who never smoked.
Whether former smokers can do anything other than worry is a matter of medical debate. Tests such as X-rays and CT scans can detect lung cancer, but the American Cancer Society, among other medical organizations, doesn't recommend using such tests to screen people who have no symptoms. Insurance won't pay for lung-cancer screening in people without symptoms (which can include persistent cough and spitting up blood). The main reason is that, while screens can detect small, early cancers, it isn't always clear that such tiny tumors would ever grow into something dangerous. So the thinking goes that screening could lead to unnecessary cancer treatment, which itself can be fatal.
Some physicians believe the science already supports screening. Twelve years of using spiral CT scans to detect early-stage lung cancer have convinced Claudia Henschke, professor of radiology at Cornell University's Weill Medical College in New York, that early detection and treatment can reduce lung-cancer deaths as much as 70%. She recommends a spiral CT scan, which costs about $300, for former smokers -- but not for every former smoker.
Having scanned more than 28,000 people, Dr. Henschke says she and her colleagues believe they have identified the threshold that makes screening worthwhile in people under age 60: 10 "pack years." That's the equivalent of a pack a day for 10 years -- 3,650 packs, or 72,000 cigarettes -- smoked over any period of time. Generally, people under age 60 who have smoked less than that don't need to be scanned, Dr. Henschke says. Older people have higher cancer rates in general, so other factors are at play.
Because her studies haven't included a control group, the medical establishment remains unconvinced that early screening saves lives. Dr. Henschke and her colleagues may be finding and treating lung cancers that "patients would have died with, not from," says Barnett Kramer, associate director of disease prevention at the National Institutes of Health.
It will likely be years before a couple of government-run studies that feature control groups determine whether screening in asymptomatic people saves lives.
Worry about lung cancer is in one sense misguided, because the primary cause of death from smoking is cardiovascular disease. But cardiovascular disease affects a broad swath of people, while lung cancer is overwhelmingly a smoker's problem.
Dread about lung cancer may be especially great not only because it kills 85% of its victims -- painfully -- but also because it can feel like a judgment. Patients who smoked must deal with the knowledge that they probably brought it on themselves.
"Yes, I was a smoker," said Mr. Jennings, 66, in his message to ABC viewers. Acknowledging that his abstinence from cigarettes underwent a brief interruption following the terrorist attacks of 2001, Mr. Jennings said, "I was weak."
rosie read n' post - 26 Apr 2005 15:23 GMT > Many ex-smokers like my friend find themselves wondering, "Should I be > screened for lung cancer?" YES! a PA+LAT chest is part of my yearly physical.
Jeff - 26 Apr 2005 20:28 GMT >> Many ex-smokers like my friend find themselves wondering, "Should I be >> screened for lung cancer?" > > YES! > a PA+LAT chest is part of my yearly physical. No, unless a PA + LAT has been shown to actually save lives. You have to catch the cancer early enough to stop it to make a difference. I don't think these X-Rays will decrease the chances of dying from lung cancer. And they will bring up other things that will require investigation without really helping the patient.
Even though the odds of getting lung cancer are higher for a former smoker than for a life-long nonmsoker, the odds are still far better of never getting lunch cancer if you stopped smoking years ago.
And people who never smoked still get lung cancer.
Jeff
Bruce Watson - 26 Apr 2005 23:23 GMT >getting lunch cancer Too horrible to contemplate :)
Jeff - 27 Apr 2005 15:29 GMT >>getting lunch cancer > > Too horrible to contemplate :)\ sorrry. II amm a baad speler.
Bruce Watson - 27 Apr 2005 23:16 GMT >>>getting lunch cancer >> >> Too horrible to contemplate :)\ > >sorrry. II amm a baad speler. Nothing wrong with the spelling.
Kimberly - 28 Apr 2005 05:41 GMT | >>>getting lunch cancer | >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | | Nothing wrong with the spelling. Good enough to even post somewhere else eh, Bruce?
Your Name Here - 28 Apr 2005 11:12 GMT > "Bruce Watson" <anon3c67@nyx.nyx.net> wrote in message
>| >>>getting lunch cancer >| >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Good enough to even post somewhere else eh, Bruce? alt.lunch.misspellings
Steph - 03 May 2005 15:15 GMT >>> Many ex-smokers like my friend find themselves wondering, "Should I be >>> screened for lung cancer?" [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Jeff Much common sense, Jeff. Yearly PA + Lat (or even CAT scan) is a waste of time and money, and an unnecessary amount of radiation exposure
Albert Sun - 05 May 2005 01:48 GMT Lung cancer screening is an active area of research. Unfortunately, current technolgy does not have techniques which are reliable for screening in people without symptoms (asymptomatic population), even if they are ex-smokers. There are disadvantages to getting screening with an tool that has poor characteristics for lung cancer detection: high false positives, high false negatives, and possibly unnecessary procedures to follow up those results. The ACS and USPSDF do not recommed screening for lung cancer in asymptomatic people. For more information, check out their websites. The NLM has good portals into relible health care information and your tax dollars have already paid for it. Medline Plus, which can be accessed from the NLM is a good source of health care information for patients.
>> Many ex-smokers like my friend find themselves wondering, "Should I be >> screened for lung cancer?" > > YES! > a PA+LAT chest is part of my yearly physical.
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Don - 07 May 2005 23:13 GMT > Lung cancer screening is an active area of research. Unfortunately, > current technolgy does not have techniques which are reliable for > screening in people without symptoms (asymptomatic population), even if > they are ex-smokers. Here's a lung cancer screening technique:
Do you currently smoke? Yes. You have lung cancer, we just haven't detected it yet. QUIT NOW!
D
Son of Sox - 08 May 2005 02:56 GMT Your medical career waits.
L Sternn - 27 Apr 2005 02:41 GMT >April 26, 2005 >Should Ex-Smokers Worry? Of course they should.
They have nothing better to do.
fejjie - 28 Apr 2005 14:21 GMT I try not to worry: after I quit, I always knew that I'd damaged my body - there's nothing we can do about that excpet to keep healthy: I exercise regularly and include super-green-food juices as a part of my diet (I started wheat jucing when I quit years ago and never stopped) - on a recent full-blown check up the doctor could not tell from my chest x-rays that I smoked for 20 years (plus the few packs that I smoked at the very end of last year into the early part of this year).
We may all die of lung cancer - we smoked like fools. We may have killed ourselves. But we'll go to our graves free from the slavery of addiction and cig smoking - we'll die like men (and women), with honor...
thunderr - 05 May 2005 09:13 GMT > We may all die of lung cancer - we smoked like fools. We may have > killed ourselves. But we'll go to our graves free from the slavery of > addiction and cig smoking - we'll die like men (and women), with > honor... LOL!!!!!!! That is so funny. Like men ? Obviously you haven't been around here long. The greatest reason to want to smoke is to not be like the nazi a.sholes that inhabit this group.
fejjie - 05 May 2005 18:55 GMT Yeah, smoking as a subversive act - like the Marlboro man as Abby Hoffman! What a j.rkoff you are! Smoking to be an individual! Smoking as a personal statement on freedom! Smoking as anything other than what it is: the habitual response to get nicotine to the brain! For your next subversive act, try McDonalds or maybe get cable television - anything to stand out and be different. Dude, go play with the kids, you're not in my league
idiot!
Alex W. - 06 May 2005 00:51 GMT > Yeah, smoking as a subversive act - like the Marlboro man as Abby > Hoffman! What a j.rkoff you are! Smoking to be an individual! Smoking [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > idiot! He may be.
But then again, there may be more than one right answers to any issue, even in this case. Doing something for a stupid reason is one of the most consistent human behaviours. Thus, he may smoke to feed his need, and at the same time he may engage in a form of subversive protest. Note: it is not required for an action to be smart or even rational to be legitimate (if it were, marrying for love would be outlawed....).
thunderr - 06 May 2005 01:14 GMT You're the one who thinks its a personal statement of individuality fuckwit . I just said I'd rather not be an a.shole like yourself. Smoking , not smoking you are still an a.shole. What a f.cking moron ! McDonalds ! Lol!
>Yeah, smoking as a subversive act - like the Marlboro man as Abby >Hoffman! What a j.rkoff you are! Smoking to be an individual! Smoking >as a personal statement on freedom! Smoking as anything other than what >it is: the habitual response to get nicotine to the brain! >For your next subversive act, try McDonalds or maybe get cable >television - anything to stand out and be different. Dude, go play with
>the kids, you're not in my league fejjie - 06 May 2005 02:55 GMT you liar - of course you want to be an a.shole like me!
kristin - 05 May 2005 19:07 GMT Oh yay!!!
we get to go around now have a good reason to let off steam...
I assure you theres enough pent up not smoking angst in this room to blow you off your key board
Brave you be to take us on,,,but please..don';t you think you can do better than that...we the nazi's that don't think anyone should kill themselves so some rich company can make money off our deaths, so they can no longer save all that social security money smokers save by dying early...
Nazi's were fascists friend...> Fascism A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
So friend...who's in charge here..Umm your writing here so censorship...nah...sure the Nazi word is fun to throw around but your total lack of intelligence (not.so much) .FYI I found this dictionary dot com...perhaps you should spend some time there..
Obviously Fejjie is 100x the man you are!! Don't be jealous...just get to the gym and some schooling perhaps ---you can do it!
Kristin
thunderr - 07 May 2005 09:00 GMT >Brave you be to take us on,,, Oh hey , it's like a gay Yoda.
but please..don';t you think you can do
>better than that...we the nazi's that don't think anyone should kill >themselves so some rich company can make money off our deaths, so they
>can no longer save all that social security money smokers save by dying >early... Of course not , thats why you can't walk forty feet without having access to a place that sells it. You know , I think you are so intelligent ! When you want to stop heroin addicts from using heroin you should just surround them with it, don't you ? Oh that's right , it's MORE addictive than heroin. God , you are a f.cking mental dynamo !
"Stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. ". Oh now Kristin, I couldn't have said it better my SS ,puppy killing Nazi friend (though I might not have clumsily just copied it from an online dictionary , like yourself) . Apparently you and your homosexual lover Fejjie haven't really examined the incredible similarity to your former political template .
Oh and a 100x the man? Well I guess that is what you gay pride people call being a man these days. Hey , I support civil unions for you guys.
PRSmith - 08 May 2005 16:55 GMT >> We may all die of lung cancer - we smoked like fools. We may >> have killed ourselves. But we'll go to our graves free from [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > been around here long. The greatest reason to want to smoke is > to not be like the nazi a.sholes that inhabit this group. Now there is intelligence speaking {snicker}
L Sternn - 08 May 2005 23:04 GMT >>> We may all die of lung cancer - we smoked like fools. We may >>> have killed ourselves. But we'll go to our graves free from [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Now there is intelligence speaking {snicker} Think about it Pawlie - you may be having the opposite effect that you intend.
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