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Rosemarie is dying on advanced liver cancer
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Barbara Schwarz - 23 Apr 2005 19:04 GMT My siblings informed me that Rosemarie is dying on advanced liver cancer. The hospital doctors assumed she will last only more a few days.
I can't visit her and can't go to the funeral as the German authorities and psychiatrists in their anti-Scientology fanastism will blow my lights out too.
They just detected the cancer yesterday, and I wonder why her doctor did not find that out earlier.
Rosemarie never drank but she took chemicals pills against Asthma, and that is the only thing what could have caused the cancer.
Try to cure whatever you have the natural way, the pharma industry just comes up with chemicals to ease the symptoms of one disease, but you catch a deadly other one by swallowing their pills.
Barbara Schwarz
Andrew Robertson - 23 Apr 2005 19:51 GMT Dear Barbara
I'm so sorry that you can't be with Rosemarie at this sad moment. I know your relationship with her was turbulent, but perhaps she cared for you more than it seemed at times.
With all my sympathy and respect
Andrew
> My siblings informed me that Rosemarie is dying on advanced liver > cancer. The hospital doctors assumed she will last only more a few [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Barbara Schwarz Barbara Schwarz - 23 Apr 2005 21:38 GMT > Dear Barbara > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Andrew Hi Andrew,
thanks.
However, I never accused her of not caring enough of me, Andrew, rather that she would "care too much", that she did not know where she ended and where I begin. She smothered me in "love" and control, which was very painful for me. Like all people, I had the right to make my own decisions, which she was not willing to accept.
If the black propaganda against Scientology esp. in Germany would have not been so huge, she would have not suffered that much, but when Scientology haters and weirdos are telling her that I won't go in heaven as a Scio and that she has to "save" me, it could not end in peace. I found out that many of the painful things she did to me (including deprogramming) was done by her because somebody put the crap in her head that God does not accept Scientologists. When I found out about it, I just shook my head. As God would have a little creepy suppressive mean character. If God would be a Bavarian psych, yes, he would act like that, but as he isn't, I sure have nothing to fear at all.
Because of her failing health, during the last years, I stopped arguing with her. I wrote her nice letters and was nice at the telephone. I never brought SCN up to not make her any stress. As far as I am concerned, I gave her all the peace that she wanted during the last several years.
That I can't be with her during her final hours isn't my fault. If she would have not worked with the fanatical German government to "deprogram" from SCN, I never had to flee the country and could have taken care of her.
But she is not alone, my sister, Melli and my brother are with her.
My sister is very sad, my brother and Melli are not happy at the moment, and I console them as good as I can. Rosemarie would have not approved but I told Melli that Rosemarie will be born again, that she will soon be a baby. And Melli felt a lot better about what I told her.
I am not happy either about Rosemarie's life or she dying, but I still wish, I never would have met her. I felt sorry for Rosemarie much of her life, but I often had to fight her off, because she was so possessive and did not give me the air to breath. It was often as if Rosemarie had inner daemons who did not let her become happy and she interpreted that she can't be jut happy if I live my life exactly as she wanted but not as I wanted.
There were times in my life when I wished her dead, but these times are long gone. During the last years she just was a shadow of the all overpowering personality that she once was, and as she was penalized with a body so full of pain during the last years, I decided to not contribute to any pain, and I was as nice and caring as I possibly could. I wrote her once a week and called her once a week, and never poured rain on her.
Barbara Schwarz
> > My siblings informed me that Rosemarie is dying on advanced liver > > cancer. The hospital doctors assumed she will last only more a few [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > Barbara Schwarz Phil Scott - 23 Apr 2005 23:11 GMT > > Dear Barbara > > [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > Barbara Schwarz You wrote well barbara.
Phil Scott
> > "Barbara Schwarz" <barbara.schwarz@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1114279471.740594.168030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > > My siblings informed me that Rosemarie is dying on advanced liver > > > cancer. The hospital doctors assumed she will last only more a few [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > > > > > Barbara Schwarz Barbara Schwarz - 24 Apr 2005 00:13 GMT > > > Dear Barbara > > > [quoted text clipped - 109 lines] > > Phil Scott Thanks, Phil.
Rosemarie refuses morphine and must be in a lot of pain. I just talked with my sister at the phone.
Rosemarie says always: "I have such good children, I have such good children..." I wish she would have said that in earlier years, but better late then ever.
My sister and Melli cry, and I feel kind of stuffed up too.
All our lives could have been easier, with more tolerance.
But as I said, I have no hard feelings anymore, I just know of an dying woman who is in a lot of pain right now, and that dying not a nice or easy procedure for most people.
Barbara Schwarz
> > > "Barbara Schwarz" <barbara.schwarz@gmail.com> wrote in > message [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > > > > > > > Barbara Schwarz brick in the wall - 23 Apr 2005 21:42 GMT Dear Barbara,
I am sorry to hear, that someone, who is close to you, is so ill. And that these are hard days for you.
I wish you to overcome the darkness soon, and would so much like, to send you a sunbeam, but do not know, how to manage.
Take my sympathy and my good wishes
.::brick::.
Barbara Schwarz - 23 Apr 2005 22:56 GMT > Dear Barbara, > > I am sorry to hear, that someone, who is close to you, is so ill. Yes, Brick, I know Rosemarie for many years, and despite she tried passionately to make somebody else out of me when she was younger, I never wished her any pain.
She is still alert as she refused morphine but in a lot of pain. She constantly says: "I have so good children, I have so good children..." I sure would have wished she would have said that sooner in life.
> And > that these are hard days for you. It is not easy, I am not even in the mood to battle around with Garry Scarff at the moment.
Although I know as a Scientologist that the thetan survives and just the body dies, it is nevertheless hard to hear the reports of her suffering and slipping away. It will be easier when she has left the body, as that means that the physical pain is gone and that the person is relieved.
The leading doctor of that hospital says that he thinks she will not survive the weekend, and the nurses say that they hope is goes qickly.
> I wish you to overcome the darkness soon, and would so much like, to > send you a sunbeam, but do not know, how to manage. Some arrived here, the sun is shining here. So you managed quite well.
> Take my sympathy and my good wishes Thanks,
However, again to all of you: think twice before you take regularly pills. Rosemarie's liver cancer just could have come from asthma medication, and I assume that other chemical pills are not much better.
Barbara Schwarz
> .::brick::. Viper - 24 Apr 2005 04:21 GMT > Try to cure whatever you have the natural way, the pharma industry > just comes up with chemicals to ease the symptoms of one disease, but > you catch a deadly other one by swallowing their pills. > > Barbara Schwarz Yeah blame it on the drugs. Not what really caused it.
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SunSurfer - 24 Apr 2005 04:42 GMT Barbara, you are not helpless to help that person if you so desire
> My siblings informed me that Rosemarie is dying on advanced liver > cancer. The hospital doctors assumed she will last only more a few [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Barbara Schwarz Peter Widmer - 24 Apr 2005 06:06 GMT > Barbara, you are not helpless to help that person if you so desire > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>and psychiatrists in their anti-Scientology fanastism will blow my >>lights out too. Absoluter Nonsense, die paranoid-schizophrene Psychobarbie hat sich selbst in diese imaginäre Situation manövriert. Dazu kommt, dass sie mit ihrem Verhalten und der Verweigerung medizinisch notwendiger Hilfe ihre Familie fortwährend kompromittiert.
>>They just detected the cancer yesterday, and I wonder why her doctor >>did not find that out earlier. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>comes up with chemicals to ease the symptoms of one disease, but you >>catch a deadly other one by swallowing their pills. Das Tragische ist doch, dass Psychobarbie den Vorfall benutzt um ihre Paranoia auszuleben mit unhaltbaren Beschuldigungen und abstrusen Behauptungen.
Was den Leberkrebs betrifft, Tatsache ist: <...> Weil Leberkrebs meistens erst im fortgeschrittenen Stadium zu Beschwerden wie Gelbsucht, Appetitlosigkeit und/oder Schmerzen führt, wird die Diagnose erst spät gestellt. Eine Operation, welche die Therapie der Wahl darstellt, ist dann nur noch bei 5-30% der Patienten möglich. Mit verschiedenen lokalen Behandlungsmethoden können zusätzlich einzelne Krebsherde in der Leber zerstört werden. Die Prognose bei Leberkrebs ist eher ungünstig.
Als primärer Leberkrebs werden bösartige (maligne) Tumoren bezeichnet, die aus lebereigenen Zellen entstehen. Andere Bezeichnungen sind Leberzellkarzinom und hepatozelluläres Karzinom (HCC). Auch Krebsgeschwülste, die aus den Zellen der Gallengänge entstehen (Gallengangskarzinom; Cholangiokarzinom) werden zu den primären Leberkrebs-Arten gerechnet.
Viel häufiger als der primäre Leberkrebs ist der sekundäre Leberkrebs. Dabei handelt es sich um Tochtergeschwülste (Metastasen) von Tumoren, die zunächst an anderer Stelle des Körpers entstanden sind, und sich dann auf die Leber ausgebreitet haben. Ihre Behandlung entspricht der des ursprünglichen Krebs und ist in diesem Text nicht dargestellt.
Die Entstehungsursachen von Leberzellkrebs sind noch nicht endgültig geklärt. Eine Voraussetzung für das Auftreten ist wahrscheinlich die dauerhafte Schädigung der Leberzellen durch Entzündungen. Über 80% der Leberkrebse entstehen auf dem Boden einer Leberzirrhose (narbige Leberschrumpfung). Umgekehrt erkranken fünf Prozent der Leberzirrhosepatienten pro Jahr an einem Leberzellkrebs.
Das Risiko für Leberkrebs ist erhöht durch:
* chronische Hepatitis-B- oder Hepatitis-C-Infektion * alkoholbedingte Leberzirrhose * Vergiftung mit Aflatoxin (Gift des Pilzes Aspergillus flavus, der auf Getreide, Erdnüssen und anderen Nahrungsmitteln bei feuchtem Klima wächst) * Hämochromatose (krankhafte Eisenspeicherung im Organismus) * Einnahme von Androgenen und Östrogenen * Mangel an Alpha1-Antitrypsin, einem körpereigenen Eiweiß * Thorotrast, ein nicht mehr verwendetes Röntgenkontrastmittel * Vergiftungen mit Vinylchlorid (Monomer des PVC) und Arsen.
Peter
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Barbara Schwarz - 24 Apr 2005 20:33 GMT > Barbara, you are not helpless to help that person if you so desire I am aware of that, Sunsurfer. Thanks for you words.
Barbara
> > My siblings informed me that Rosemarie is dying on advanced liver > > cancer. The hospital doctors assumed she will last only more a few [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > Barbara Schwarz biscuit - 24 Apr 2005 11:39 GMT > My siblings informed me that Rosemarie is dying on advanced liver > cancer. The hospital doctors assumed she will last only more a few [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Barbara Schwarz Dear Barbara,
Losing a loved one to cancer is never easy. I lost my mother to cancer back in 2001, and even though it was expected, it was still a very difficult time for everyone who knew her.
I confess to not reading most of your postings, as I don't have a whole lot of time and there is so much stuff on ars, but my prayers are with you.
God bless,
biscuit. ps. I don't know if you've ever seen it, but I found the group alt.support.grief got me through Mum's sickness and the first year or so after she died. It is for people who have lost or are losing someone, so they know what you are going through. good luck.
Barbara Schwarz - 24 Apr 2005 20:42 GMT > > My siblings informed me that Rosemarie is dying on advanced liver > > cancer. The hospital doctors assumed she will last only more a few [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > they know what you are going through. > good luck. Thanks buiscuit, but I don't need a support group. I am a Scientologist, I know what happened after death and that Rosemarie will have a new and healthy body soon. However, I wish her all the best but I also hope that I never will be given to her as a daughter as that was very painful for me.
Barbara Schwarz
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