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Why Women Live Longer than Men ?  --  New Book

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gavrilov@aol.com - 09 Apr 2005 02:41 GMT
Greetings,

Here is a new book on Female Longevity:

Grandmotherhood
The Evolutionary Significance of the Second Half of Female Life
Edited By Eckart Voland, Athanasios Chasiotis, Wulf Schiefenhoevel
Rutgers University Press

By the year 2030, the average life expectancy of women in
industrialized countries could reach ninety-exceeding that of men by
about ten years. At the present time, postmenopausal women represent
more than fifteen percent of the world's population and this figure is
likely to grow. From an evolutionary perspective, these demographic
numbers pose some intriguing questions. Darwinian theory holds that a
successful life is measured in terms of reproduction. How is it, then,
that a woman's lifespan can greatly exceed her childbearing and
childrearing years? Is this phenomenon simply a byproduct of improved
standards of living, or do older women-grandmothers in particular-play
a measurable role in increasing their family members' biological
success? Until now, these questions have not been examined in a
thorough and comprehensive manner. Bringing together theoretical and
empirical work by internationally recognized scholars in anthropology,
psychology, ethnography, and the social sciences, Grandmotherhood
explores the evolutionary purpose and possibilities of female
post-generative life.
Students and scholars of human evolution, anthropology, and even
gerontology will look to this volume as a major contribution to the
current literature in evolutionary studies.

August 2005,  304 pages
ISBN 0-8135-3609-X,  Cloth $75.00
Order by phone: toll free (800) 446-9323
Order by email: bksales(at)rci.rutgers.edu
or visit
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Advance book pre-orders are accepted at:
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Tim May - 09 Apr 2005 03:43 GMT
> Greetings,
>
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> about ten years. At the present time, postmenopausal women represent
> more than fifteen percent of the world's population and this figure is

And yet chicks are screaming (wailing) that "men's health issues
dominate the news."

Nothing could be further from the truh. Chicks do less work, but
receive more medical care, more communist-mandate tit and ovary
inspections, more pre-natal, post-natal, pre-menopausal, and
post-menopausal public, socialist, healthcare.

Based on what I have paid for the past 37 years, what have they done
for me?

I say the sick females ought to be sent up the chimneys as smoke.

--Tim May
tech27 - 09 Apr 2005 04:16 GMT
> And yet chicks are screaming (wailing) that "men's health issues
> dominate the news."

I think you misunderstood. They were screaming about gay men and domination.

> Nothing could be further from the truh. Chicks do less work, but
> receive more medical care, more communist-mandate tit and ovary
> inspections, more pre-natal, post-natal, pre-menopausal, and
> post-menopausal public, socialist, healthcare.

As opposed to what, jerk-off MEN? Maybe it's time YOU got your tits and
ovaries checked out. You sound like a c.nt!

> Based on what I have paid for the past 37 years, what have they done
> for me?

Besides dumping you like a parasite after they figure out you are a stupid,
tiny dicked premature ejaculator?

> I say the sick females ought to be sent up the chimneys as smoke.

Didn't you mean to post this on the Neo-Nazi Holocust deniers NG?

> --Tim May
Tim May - 09 Apr 2005 06:26 GMT
> Didn't you mean to post this on the Neo-Nazi Holocust deniers NG?

We know where you live.

Or lived, past tense.

--Tim May
Sue - 09 Apr 2005 06:18 GMT
>> Greetings,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>And yet chicks are screaming (wailing) that "men's health issues
>dominate the news."

Mr. May, here is a time I wish you didn't have me killfiled because
I'd sure like to see some proof of the above comment.

>Nothing could be further from the truh. Chicks do less work, but
>receive more medical care, more communist-mandate tit and ovary
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Based on what I have paid for the past 37 years, what have they done
>for me?

Who is "they"?  Doctors?  I assume if you have a health problem you go
to the doctor and are treated.  If you don't have any health problems
or don't go to the doctor why should "they" do anything for you?

>I say the sick females ought to be sent up the chimneys as smoke.

I'm surprised you limited that to only "sick" females.
Sue - from Mr. May's killfile

>--Tim May
The Independent of Clackamas County - 09 Apr 2005 16:28 GMT
>>Greetings,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> --Tim May
Tell me Tim with all the people you are sending up the chimneys in smoke
 how many chimneys are we going to have to build?  How many masons are
we going to have to employ to build the chimneys?  Who is going to build
the fire brick for the chimneys?
Who is going pay for the land that the chimneys sit on?
Who is going to pay for the brick masons?
Who is going to pay for the brick yards?

Just wamt to know how much this is going to cost me before I sign on?

Signature

The Independent of Clackamas County

 "What experience and history teach is this -- That people and
governments never have learned anything from history, or acted
on principles deduced from it"

  George Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel
           1770-1831

Terry Collins - 09 Apr 2005 17:43 GMT
> Based on what I have paid for the past 37 years, what have they done
> for me?

Well, their doctor education campaign has ensured that your doctor will
know how to stick his finger up your arse. Just mention the magic words
"prostrate examination" and hope you result is just like Storming Norman's.
Pizza Girl - 10 Apr 2005 03:54 GMT
What is a "prostrate"?

> > Based on what I have paid for the past 37 years, what have they done
> > for me?
>
> Well, their doctor education campaign has ensured that your doctor will
> know how to stick his finger up your arse. Just mention the magic words
> "prostrate examination" and hope you result is just like Storming Norman's.
Gunner - 10 Apr 2005 06:54 GMT
>What is a "prostrate"?

Oh oh...someones laying down on the job again....

>> > Based on what I have paid for the past 37 years, what have they done
>> > for me?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> "prostrate examination" and hope you result is just like Storming
>Norman's.

Leftwingers are like pond scum. They are green, slimy, show up where
they are not wanted, and interfere with the fishing.

Strider
Terry Collins - 10 Apr 2005 07:24 GMT
>>>Based on what I have paid for the past 37 years, what have they done
>>>for me?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> What is a "prostrate"?

This doesn't directly answer your question, but you will get the drift
and maybe get a good chuckle about what he is suggesting.

http://www.doctorg.com/prostatemassage.htm

google "prostrate examination" for ` 111,000 hits.
Alf Christophersen - 10 Apr 2005 12:00 GMT
>What is a "prostrate"?

something you don't have.:-) Like men don't have a vagina.
(And some grammatics and semantics around the noun "prostata".)
Pizza Girl - 10 Apr 2005 15:19 GMT
I haven't heard of a "vagrina" either...LOL

> >What is a "prostrate"?
>
> something you don't have.:-) Like men don't have a vagrina.
> (And some grammatics and semantics around the noun "prostata".)
Stormin Mormon - 11 Apr 2005 03:34 GMT
Hmm. I would a.s/u/me that breaks to Va/grin/a

Now, who do we know in Virgina who is grinning and is an a?

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I haven't heard of a "vagrina" either...LOL

> >What is a "prostrate"?
>
> something you don't have.:-) Like men don't have a vagrina.
> (And some grammatics and semantics around the noun "prostata".)
Pizza Girl - 13 Apr 2005 22:40 GMT
We  knew a girl named "Virginia". We called her "Virgin" for short....but
not for long.

> Hmm. I would a.s/u/me that breaks to Va/grin/a
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> > something you don't have.:-) Like men don't have a vagrina.
> > (And some grammatics and semantics around the noun "prostata".)
Bob (this one) - 10 Apr 2005 21:57 GMT
>>What is a "prostrate"?
>
> something you don't have.:-) Like men don't have a vagina.
> (And some grammatics and semantics around the noun "prostata".)

Isn't that what people say when they raise glasses of alcohol to toast
each other...?

"Prostat." Then everyone laughs...

Pastorio
Stormin Mormon - 11 Apr 2005 03:34 GMT
That's the gland that keeps you laying flat on your back.

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What is a "prostrate"?
editor@netpath.net - 09 Apr 2005 04:13 GMT
Women live longer than men because:
1) Men do most war fighting.  The effect of this is so obvious that it
skewed Russia's male/female ratio for decades after WWII.
2) Men are the vast majority of those dying of homicide - especially in
developed nations.
3) Men are the vast majority of those working in very-hazardous careers
(mining, fishing boats, etc.)

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Tim May - 09 Apr 2005 06:31 GMT
> Women live longer than men because:
> 1) Men do most war fighting.  The effect of this is so obvious that it
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> 3) Men are the vast majority of those working in very-hazardous careers
> (mining, fishing boats, etc.)

But wimmen are suffering by watching Oprah, Phil, Katie, etc.

They are suffering the angst of wondering whether they are really women
trapped in women's bodies, or angels, or whatever. They are _suffering_
as they sit at home, watching Phil and all, wondering.

This is _worse_, they say, than dying in wars and for their drugs and
for their bling bling.

Or so they think. 'Course, the other theory is that bitches need
killing.

--Tim May
Sue - 09 Apr 2005 06:36 GMT
>> Women live longer than men because:
>> 1) Men do most war fighting.  The effect of this is so obvious that it
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>This is _worse_, they say, than dying in wars and for their drugs and
>for their bling bling.

You *do* paint with rather a wide brush.

>Or so they think. 'Course, the other theory is that bitches need
>killing.

And *all* women are bitches?  Does your sister know you feel this way
about her?
Sue - admitted bitch

>--Tim May
Pizza Girl - 10 Apr 2005 03:56 GMT
"Women don't live longer than men. When you live with a man it just seems
longer"

Susanne Scalder 1971-1975

> >> Women live longer than men because:
> >> 1) Men do most war fighting.  The effect of this is so obvious that it
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> >
> >--Tim May
Tim Tyler - 09 Apr 2005 15:59 GMT
editor@netpath.net <editor@netpath.net> wrote or quoted:

> Women live longer than men because:
> 1) Men do most war fighting.  The effect of this is so obvious that it
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> 3) Men are the vast majority of those working in very-hazardous careers
> (mining, fishing boats, etc.)

...and because that's also true of male ancestors - and there are
a whole bunch of recessive X-linked disorders - so even if the factors
mentioned above were eliminated today, male life expectancy would
still not match that of females.
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Terry Collins - 09 Apr 2005 17:44 GMT
> Women live longer than men because:
> 1) Men do most war fighting.  The effect of this is so obvious that it
> skewed Russia's male/female ratio for decades after WWII.

Nope, that was mostly the effect of Stalin. Send out a rifle with a
platoon to share it and other in-adequate bits of equipment.
Gunner - 09 Apr 2005 19:44 GMT
>> Women live longer than men because:
>> 1) Men do most war fighting.  The effect of this is so obvious that it
>> skewed Russia's male/female ratio for decades after WWII.
>
>Nope, that was mostly the effect of Stalin. Send out a rifle with a
>platoon to share it and other in-adequate bits of equipment.

Not to mention his purging of 75 million citizens :enemys of the
state"

Gunner

Leftwingers are like pond scum. They are green, slimy, show up where
they are not wanted, and interfere with the fishing.

Strider
Bibliophil - 13 Apr 2005 01:22 GMT
Interesting!

Table of Contents for this new book is already available at the Library
of Congress:

http://www.loc.gov/catdir/toc/ecip0422/2004021376.html

Here it is:

Introduction
Grandmotherhood: A Short Overview of Three Fields of Research on the
Evolutionary Significance of Postgenerative Female Life
Eckart Voland, Athanasios Chasiotis, and Wulf Schiefenhovel

Part I
Life History: The Evolutionary Route to Grandmothers

Chapter 1
Primate Predispositions for Human Grandmaternal Behavior
Andreas Paul

Chapter 2
Menopause: Adaptation and Epiphenomenon
Jocelyn Scott Peccei

Chapter 3
Human Longevity and Reproduction: An Evolutionary Perspective
Natalia S. Gavrilova and Leonid A. Gavrilov

Chapter 4
Grandmothers, Politics, and Getting Back to Science
Chris Knight and Camilla Power

Chapter 5
Human Female Longevity: How Important is Being a Grandmother?
Cheryl Sorenson Jamison, Paul L. Jamison, and Laurel L. Cornell

Chapter 6
Human Age Structures, Paleodemography, and the Grandmother Hypothesis
Kristen Hawkes and Nicholas Blurton Jones

Part II
Behavior: Modern Outcomes of Past Adaptations

Chapter 7
Are Humans Communal Breeders?
Ruth Mace and Rebecca Sear

Chapter 8
Hadza Grandmothers as Helpers: Residence Data
Nicholas Blurton Jones, Kristen Hawkes, and James O'Connell

Chapter 9
The Role of Material Grandmothers in Trobriand Adoptions
Wulf Schiefenhovel and Andreas Grabolle

Chapter 10
Kinship Organization and Grandmother's Impact on Reproductive Success
among the Matrilineal Khasi and Patrilineal Bengali of N.E. India
Donna L. Leonetti, Dilip C. Nath, Natabar S. Hemam, and Dawn B. Neill

Chapter 11
The Helping and the Helpful Grandmother: The Role of Maternal and
Paternal Grandmothers in Child Mortality in the Seventeenth and
Eighteenth Century Population of French Settlers in Quebec, Canada
Jan Beise

Chapter 12
"The Husband's Mother Is the Devil in House": Data on the Impact of the
Mother-in-Law on Stillbirth Mortality in Historical Krummhorn (C18-C19)
and Some Thoughts on the Evolution of Postgenerative Female Life
Eckart Voland and Jan Beise

Chapter 13
Exploring the Variation in Inter-generational Relationships among
Germans and Turkish Immigrants: An Evolutionary Perspective of Behavior
in a Modern Social Setting
Akiko Nosaka and Athanasios Chasiotis

Chapter 14
Variability of the Role of Grandmothers
Axel Scholmerich, Birgit Leyendecker, Banu Citlak-Kisagun, Amy Miller,
and Robin Harwood

Part III
Synthesis: The Evolutionary Significance of Grandmothers

Chapter 15
Cooperative Breeders with an Ace in the Hole
Sarah Blaffer Hrdy

Contributors

Index

--------------------THE END---------------

Hope it helps

===================================

g....@aol.com wrote:
> Greetings,
>
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> Advance book pre-orders are accepted at:
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/081353609X
 
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