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Why Women Live Longer than Men ? -- New Book
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gavrilov@aol.com - 09 Apr 2005 02:41 GMT Greetings,
Here is a new book on Female Longevity:
Grandmotherhood The Evolutionary Significance of the Second Half of Female Life Edited By Eckart Voland, Athanasios Chasiotis, Wulf Schiefenhoevel Rutgers University Press
By the year 2030, the average life expectancy of women in industrialized countries could reach ninety-exceeding that of men by about ten years. At the present time, postmenopausal women represent more than fifteen percent of the world's population and this figure is likely to grow. From an evolutionary perspective, these demographic numbers pose some intriguing questions. Darwinian theory holds that a successful life is measured in terms of reproduction. How is it, then, that a woman's lifespan can greatly exceed her childbearing and childrearing years? Is this phenomenon simply a byproduct of improved standards of living, or do older women-grandmothers in particular-play a measurable role in increasing their family members' biological success? Until now, these questions have not been examined in a thorough and comprehensive manner. Bringing together theoretical and empirical work by internationally recognized scholars in anthropology, psychology, ethnography, and the social sciences, Grandmotherhood explores the evolutionary purpose and possibilities of female post-generative life. Students and scholars of human evolution, anthropology, and even gerontology will look to this volume as a major contribution to the current literature in evolutionary studies.
August 2005, 304 pages ISBN 0-8135-3609-X, Cloth $75.00 Order by phone: toll free (800) 446-9323 Order by email: bksales(at)rci.rutgers.edu or visit http://rutgerspress.rutgers.edu/acatalog/__Grandmotherhood_2254.html
Advance book pre-orders are accepted at: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/081353609X
Tim May - 09 Apr 2005 03:43 GMT > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > about ten years. At the present time, postmenopausal women represent > more than fifteen percent of the world's population and this figure is And yet chicks are screaming (wailing) that "men's health issues dominate the news."
Nothing could be further from the truh. Chicks do less work, but receive more medical care, more communist-mandate tit and ovary inspections, more pre-natal, post-natal, pre-menopausal, and post-menopausal public, socialist, healthcare.
Based on what I have paid for the past 37 years, what have they done for me?
I say the sick females ought to be sent up the chimneys as smoke.
--Tim May
tech27 - 09 Apr 2005 04:16 GMT > And yet chicks are screaming (wailing) that "men's health issues > dominate the news." I think you misunderstood. They were screaming about gay men and domination.
> Nothing could be further from the truh. Chicks do less work, but > receive more medical care, more communist-mandate tit and ovary > inspections, more pre-natal, post-natal, pre-menopausal, and > post-menopausal public, socialist, healthcare. As opposed to what, jerk-off MEN? Maybe it's time YOU got your tits and ovaries checked out. You sound like a c.nt!
> Based on what I have paid for the past 37 years, what have they done > for me? Besides dumping you like a parasite after they figure out you are a stupid, tiny dicked premature ejaculator?
> I say the sick females ought to be sent up the chimneys as smoke. Didn't you mean to post this on the Neo-Nazi Holocust deniers NG?
> --Tim May Tim May - 09 Apr 2005 06:26 GMT > Didn't you mean to post this on the Neo-Nazi Holocust deniers NG? We know where you live.
Or lived, past tense.
--Tim May
Sue - 09 Apr 2005 06:18 GMT >> Greetings, >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >And yet chicks are screaming (wailing) that "men's health issues >dominate the news." Mr. May, here is a time I wish you didn't have me killfiled because I'd sure like to see some proof of the above comment.
>Nothing could be further from the truh. Chicks do less work, but >receive more medical care, more communist-mandate tit and ovary [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Based on what I have paid for the past 37 years, what have they done >for me? Who is "they"? Doctors? I assume if you have a health problem you go to the doctor and are treated. If you don't have any health problems or don't go to the doctor why should "they" do anything for you?
>I say the sick females ought to be sent up the chimneys as smoke. I'm surprised you limited that to only "sick" females. Sue - from Mr. May's killfile
>--Tim May The Independent of Clackamas County - 09 Apr 2005 16:28 GMT >>Greetings, >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > --Tim May Tell me Tim with all the people you are sending up the chimneys in smoke how many chimneys are we going to have to build? How many masons are we going to have to employ to build the chimneys? Who is going to build the fire brick for the chimneys? Who is going pay for the land that the chimneys sit on? Who is going to pay for the brick masons? Who is going to pay for the brick yards?
Just wamt to know how much this is going to cost me before I sign on?
 Signature The Independent of Clackamas County
"What experience and history teach is this -- That people and governments never have learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it"
George Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel 1770-1831
Terry Collins - 09 Apr 2005 17:43 GMT > Based on what I have paid for the past 37 years, what have they done > for me? Well, their doctor education campaign has ensured that your doctor will know how to stick his finger up your arse. Just mention the magic words "prostrate examination" and hope you result is just like Storming Norman's.
Pizza Girl - 10 Apr 2005 03:54 GMT What is a "prostrate"?
> > Based on what I have paid for the past 37 years, what have they done > > for me? > > Well, their doctor education campaign has ensured that your doctor will > know how to stick his finger up your arse. Just mention the magic words > "prostrate examination" and hope you result is just like Storming Norman's. Gunner - 10 Apr 2005 06:54 GMT >What is a "prostrate"? Oh oh...someones laying down on the job again....
>> > Based on what I have paid for the past 37 years, what have they done >> > for me? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> "prostrate examination" and hope you result is just like Storming >Norman's. Leftwingers are like pond scum. They are green, slimy, show up where they are not wanted, and interfere with the fishing.
Strider
Terry Collins - 10 Apr 2005 07:24 GMT >>>Based on what I have paid for the past 37 years, what have they done >>>for me? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > What is a "prostrate"? This doesn't directly answer your question, but you will get the drift and maybe get a good chuckle about what he is suggesting.
http://www.doctorg.com/prostatemassage.htm
google "prostrate examination" for ` 111,000 hits.
Alf Christophersen - 10 Apr 2005 12:00 GMT >What is a "prostrate"? something you don't have.:-) Like men don't have a vagina. (And some grammatics and semantics around the noun "prostata".)
Pizza Girl - 10 Apr 2005 15:19 GMT I haven't heard of a "vagrina" either...LOL
> >What is a "prostrate"? > > something you don't have.:-) Like men don't have a vagrina. > (And some grammatics and semantics around the noun "prostata".) Stormin Mormon - 11 Apr 2005 03:34 GMT Hmm. I would a.s/u/me that breaks to Va/grin/a
Now, who do we know in Virgina who is grinning and is an a?
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I haven't heard of a "vagrina" either...LOL
> >What is a "prostrate"? > > something you don't have.:-) Like men don't have a vagrina. > (And some grammatics and semantics around the noun "prostata".) Pizza Girl - 13 Apr 2005 22:40 GMT We knew a girl named "Virginia". We called her "Virgin" for short....but not for long.
> Hmm. I would a.s/u/me that breaks to Va/grin/a > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > something you don't have.:-) Like men don't have a vagrina. > > (And some grammatics and semantics around the noun "prostata".) Bob (this one) - 10 Apr 2005 21:57 GMT >>What is a "prostrate"? > > something you don't have.:-) Like men don't have a vagina. > (And some grammatics and semantics around the noun "prostata".) Isn't that what people say when they raise glasses of alcohol to toast each other...?
"Prostat." Then everyone laughs...
Pastorio
Stormin Mormon - 11 Apr 2005 03:34 GMT That's the gland that keeps you laying flat on your back.
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What is a "prostrate"?
editor@netpath.net - 09 Apr 2005 04:13 GMT Women live longer than men because: 1) Men do most war fighting. The effect of this is so obvious that it skewed Russia's male/female ratio for decades after WWII. 2) Men are the vast majority of those dying of homicide - especially in developed nations. 3) Men are the vast majority of those working in very-hazardous careers (mining, fishing boats, etc.)
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Tim May - 09 Apr 2005 06:31 GMT > Women live longer than men because: > 1) Men do most war fighting. The effect of this is so obvious that it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 3) Men are the vast majority of those working in very-hazardous careers > (mining, fishing boats, etc.) But wimmen are suffering by watching Oprah, Phil, Katie, etc.
They are suffering the angst of wondering whether they are really women trapped in women's bodies, or angels, or whatever. They are _suffering_ as they sit at home, watching Phil and all, wondering.
This is _worse_, they say, than dying in wars and for their drugs and for their bling bling.
Or so they think. 'Course, the other theory is that bitches need killing.
--Tim May
Sue - 09 Apr 2005 06:36 GMT >> Women live longer than men because: >> 1) Men do most war fighting. The effect of this is so obvious that it [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >This is _worse_, they say, than dying in wars and for their drugs and >for their bling bling. You *do* paint with rather a wide brush.
>Or so they think. 'Course, the other theory is that bitches need >killing. And *all* women are bitches? Does your sister know you feel this way about her? Sue - admitted bitch
>--Tim May Pizza Girl - 10 Apr 2005 03:56 GMT "Women don't live longer than men. When you live with a man it just seems longer"
Susanne Scalder 1971-1975
> >> Women live longer than men because: > >> 1) Men do most war fighting. The effect of this is so obvious that it [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > > >--Tim May Tim Tyler - 09 Apr 2005 15:59 GMT editor@netpath.net <editor@netpath.net> wrote or quoted:
> Women live longer than men because: > 1) Men do most war fighting. The effect of this is so obvious that it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 3) Men are the vast majority of those working in very-hazardous careers > (mining, fishing boats, etc.) ...and because that's also true of male ancestors - and there are a whole bunch of recessive X-linked disorders - so even if the factors mentioned above were eliminated today, male life expectancy would still not match that of females.
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Terry Collins - 09 Apr 2005 17:44 GMT > Women live longer than men because: > 1) Men do most war fighting. The effect of this is so obvious that it > skewed Russia's male/female ratio for decades after WWII. Nope, that was mostly the effect of Stalin. Send out a rifle with a platoon to share it and other in-adequate bits of equipment.
Gunner - 09 Apr 2005 19:44 GMT >> Women live longer than men because: >> 1) Men do most war fighting. The effect of this is so obvious that it >> skewed Russia's male/female ratio for decades after WWII. > >Nope, that was mostly the effect of Stalin. Send out a rifle with a >platoon to share it and other in-adequate bits of equipment. Not to mention his purging of 75 million citizens :enemys of the state"
Gunner
Leftwingers are like pond scum. They are green, slimy, show up where they are not wanted, and interfere with the fishing.
Strider
Bibliophil - 13 Apr 2005 01:22 GMT Interesting!
Table of Contents for this new book is already available at the Library of Congress:
http://www.loc.gov/catdir/toc/ecip0422/2004021376.html
Here it is:
Introduction Grandmotherhood: A Short Overview of Three Fields of Research on the Evolutionary Significance of Postgenerative Female Life Eckart Voland, Athanasios Chasiotis, and Wulf Schiefenhovel
Part I Life History: The Evolutionary Route to Grandmothers
Chapter 1 Primate Predispositions for Human Grandmaternal Behavior Andreas Paul
Chapter 2 Menopause: Adaptation and Epiphenomenon Jocelyn Scott Peccei
Chapter 3 Human Longevity and Reproduction: An Evolutionary Perspective Natalia S. Gavrilova and Leonid A. Gavrilov
Chapter 4 Grandmothers, Politics, and Getting Back to Science Chris Knight and Camilla Power
Chapter 5 Human Female Longevity: How Important is Being a Grandmother? Cheryl Sorenson Jamison, Paul L. Jamison, and Laurel L. Cornell
Chapter 6 Human Age Structures, Paleodemography, and the Grandmother Hypothesis Kristen Hawkes and Nicholas Blurton Jones
Part II Behavior: Modern Outcomes of Past Adaptations
Chapter 7 Are Humans Communal Breeders? Ruth Mace and Rebecca Sear
Chapter 8 Hadza Grandmothers as Helpers: Residence Data Nicholas Blurton Jones, Kristen Hawkes, and James O'Connell
Chapter 9 The Role of Material Grandmothers in Trobriand Adoptions Wulf Schiefenhovel and Andreas Grabolle
Chapter 10 Kinship Organization and Grandmother's Impact on Reproductive Success among the Matrilineal Khasi and Patrilineal Bengali of N.E. India Donna L. Leonetti, Dilip C. Nath, Natabar S. Hemam, and Dawn B. Neill
Chapter 11 The Helping and the Helpful Grandmother: The Role of Maternal and Paternal Grandmothers in Child Mortality in the Seventeenth and Eighteenth Century Population of French Settlers in Quebec, Canada Jan Beise
Chapter 12 "The Husband's Mother Is the Devil in House": Data on the Impact of the Mother-in-Law on Stillbirth Mortality in Historical Krummhorn (C18-C19) and Some Thoughts on the Evolution of Postgenerative Female Life Eckart Voland and Jan Beise
Chapter 13 Exploring the Variation in Inter-generational Relationships among Germans and Turkish Immigrants: An Evolutionary Perspective of Behavior in a Modern Social Setting Akiko Nosaka and Athanasios Chasiotis
Chapter 14 Variability of the Role of Grandmothers Axel Scholmerich, Birgit Leyendecker, Banu Citlak-Kisagun, Amy Miller, and Robin Harwood
Part III Synthesis: The Evolutionary Significance of Grandmothers
Chapter 15 Cooperative Breeders with an Ace in the Hole Sarah Blaffer Hrdy
Contributors
Index
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g....@aol.com wrote:
> Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Advance book pre-orders are accepted at: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/081353609X
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