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MD Hammesfahr stated that Terri Shiavo could have been rehabilitated
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Barbara Schwarz - 02 Apr 2005 19:41 GMT Below information is interesting and also controversial. However be also reminded that Bill Frist, a MD within U.S. Congress stated that he saw signs to give her a second chance for rehabilitation, and so did others.
Everybody of us saw that she was aware but just could not express herself. I think it was murder to cut off her tube. At least they could have let a speech therapist to her to train her to talk to others if she really wants to die and not more feel the caress of her family members.
Barbara Schwarz
Report on Terri Released http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/30/144422.shtml>http://www.newsm ax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/30/144422.shtml
Here is a report by Dr. William Hammesfahr, on Terri Schiavo's condition as of September 12, 2002:
William Hammesfahr, M.D. Questionable Nobel Prize Nominee and advocate for the Shindler family in the Terri Schiavo case
Please answer yes or no to the following questions about Dr. William Hammesfahr from Clearwater, Florida:
Would you seek medical care from a doctor who?:
o Repeatedly, and I mean repeatedly, advertises himself as a Nobel Prize Nominee in 1999, when the only person who appears to have nominated him is his own U.S. Congressman?
o Does not seem to have published a single peer reviewed scientific article in a recognized medical journal.
o Says he hasn't done the rigorous clinical studies because he's too busy treating patients and because he feels it would be unethical to withhold the treatment from some patients in order to study them.
o Claims that Terri Schiavo is not in a persistent vegetative state and that therapy can help her.
o Appears on national TV shows and clearly indicates that Terri Schiavo's spouse tried to kill her.
Affidavits filed on behalf of Terri Shindler-Schiavo
June 1, 2001 [1] - This is where he states, "that the CAT scan readings or MRI readings of Ms. Schiavo's brain were misrepresented to the Court during the trial in January 2000". He also makes the statement that she, "is not in any sort of coma, whether persistent vegetative state or otherwise".
Unsigned examination report September 12, 2002 [2] - He makes the claim that, "The patient was alert throughout essentially the entire exam". Furthermore, "At various times during the exam, I asked her to close her eyes, or open her eyes widely, look towards her mother, or look towards me. At times, she appeared to properly follow these commands".
There are so many questionable statements made about the examination that I wonder about the ability of the examiner to come to the conclusions that he did, or to make the recomnendations that he made.
Among Hammesfahr's recommendations and conclusions:
Communication: She can communicate. She needs a Speech Therapist, Speech Pathologist, and a communications expert to evaluate how to best communicate with her and to allow her to communicate and for others to communicate with her. Also, a treatment plan for how to develop better communication needs to be done.
Rehabilitation Medicine: The patient has severe contractures. She needs a specialist to evaluate these and develop a treatment plan.
Endocrine: The patient has clinical evidence of an abnormally functioning endocrine system. Her blood pressure is abnormally low. Many patients with severe neurological injury have low blood pressure due to an abnormally functioning endocrine system. The reason for this should be determined and corrected, as with a more normal blood pressure, she is likely to have even better neurological functioning. She has facial acne consistent with hormonal abnormalities.
ENT: The patient can clearly swallow, and is able to swallow approximately 2 liters of water per day (the daily amount of saliva generated). Water is one of the most difficult things for people to swallow. It is unlikely that she currently needs the feeding tube. She should be evaluated by an Ear Nose and Throat specialist, and have a new swallowing exam.
Mammography needs to be performed.
Spinal Exam: The patient's exam from a spinal perspective is abnormal. The degree of limitation of range of motion, and of spasms in her neck, is consistent with a neck injury. The abnormal sensory exam, that shows evidence of her hypoxic encephalopathic strokes (right side sensory responses are different from left) also suggests a spinal cord injury at around the level of C4. Her physical exam and videotapes also suggest a spinal cord injury is also present, as she has much better control over he face, head, and neck, than over her arms and legs. This reminds one of a person with a spinal cord injury who has good facial control, but poor use of arms and legs. It is possible that a correctable spinal abnormality such as a herniated disk may be found that could be treated and result in better neurological functioning. This should be looked for, as may be treatable. Thus, there may be an injured disk or spinal cord; the disk injury is more treatable, the spinal cord injury, if present without a disk injury, may be more difficult to treat. A person with a spinal cord injury and hypoxic encephalopathy will need different treatment and rehab recommendations than one who just has a hypoxic encephalopathic.
Interestingly, I have seen this pattern of mixed brain (cerebral) and spinal cord findings in a patient once before, a patient who was asphyxiated.
EEG: I have reviewed the EEG recently obtained. The EEG has large amounts of artifact. The technician's attempted to remove artifact by filtering. Unfortunately, filtering also affects and reduces evident brain electronic activity. This EEG is not adequate and should be repeated. It should be repeated at the patient's bedside, with the patient in a non-agitated state.
SPECT scan: A SPECT scan prior to and after several days of Hyperbaric Trial should be obtained. Such a Hyperbaric Oxygen trial does not constitute treatment, as the length of time of such hyperbaric is inadequate to render any treatment. However, it is a useful technique to assess the likelihood of improvement using hyperbaric oxygen. I would defer to Dr. Maxfield on the specifics of testing, but believe that it is generally accepted by those in the field who have experience with hyperbaric treatment, that Dr. Maxfield's recommendations in this area are accurate.
Recent links and internet searches
Hammesfahr stumbles when challenged by L.A. Talk Show [3] Another John & Ken interview that didn't go well.
Dr. William Hammesfahr is making the media rounds, claiming that Terri Shiavo could recover with the correct treatment, based on his research. He also claims that he is a Nobel Prize Nominee, based on a note he got from some guy a few years ago. John & Ken called him on the dubious nature of his so-called nomination, but unfortunately he terminated the call before they could call into question the veracity of his "World's Greatest Dad" coffee mug.
Fact checking the Schiavo experts [4] Numerous "experts" have weighed in on the Terri Schiavo case since it began -- some more dubious than others. On Monday, Fox News' Hannity and Colmes presented Dr. William Hammesfahr, a Florida neurologist who examined Terri in 2002, and who insists that Terri is not in a permanent vegetative state. Alongside Hammesfahr's rather astonishing prognosis, Hannity made sure to take note of Hammesfahr's lofty qualifications:
Hannity: Do you believe she is aware, conscious and responsive? Hammesfahr: Terri is completely aware and conscious and responsive. She is like a child with cerebral palsy. We have kids in the Pinellas County school system every day that are much worse than her, that we're educating. Hannity: Doctor, wait a minute. I've got to get this straight here. You were nominated to get a Nobel Peace Prize in this very work. Are you saying that this woman could be rehabilitated? Hammesfahr: Absolutely.
Hammesfahr appeared on Scarborough Country the same night and received a similar introduction as a Nobel Prize nominee. Problem is, that's not quite the truth -- Hammesfahr was never officially nominated for a Nobel Prize. In 1999, a U.S. Congressman recommended him in a letter to the Nobel Committee for his work with stroke patients. But according to the committee's Web site, such unsolicited letters constitute "invalid nominations" and are not considered.
News Hounds Blog critique of Fox [5]
Excellent discussion of Hammesfahr [6] Transcript of Scarborough where Hammesfahr accuses Michael Schiavo of trying to kill his wife.
News outlets ignored questions about doctor who claimed Schiavo can be helped [7] Dr. William Hammesfahr, a Florida neurologist who claims that he can help Terri Schiavo, has promoted his treatment plan on Christian Broadcasting Network's The 700 Club and has been cited by anti-abortion activist Randall Terry, a spokesman for Schiavo's parents, in newspaper articles. But questions have been raised about Hammesfahr, who was disciplined by the Florida Department of Health in 2003, and news outlets that have repeated Hammesfahr's claims have ignored those questions.
In February 2003, the Florida Board of Medicine ruled that he violated state law by charging a patient for services that were not provided (Finding of Fact No. 71, PDF p. 40 [8]) it declined to rule that the treatment was harmful to his patients and noted that some patients improved after treatment.
In addition to his appearance on The 700 Club, Hammesfahr has discussed the case on the October 27, 2003, edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes [9], during which he repeated his claim that Terri Schiavo is "not in a coma." Co-host Sean Hannity did not note Hammesfahr's disciplinary action by the Florida Board of Medicine, and he encouraged Hammesfahr to speculate on other aspects of the Schiavo case. A clip of Hammesfahr from his Fox News appearance was played on the November 9, 2003, edition of CBS' Sunday Morning.
Pulling the plug on fairness [10] - great review of Hammesfahr and his battles with the press
William Hammesfahr, a neurologist brought in by the Schindlers for a 2002 hearing who claims that Terri Schiavo is not in the "persistent vegetative state" claimed by Michael Schiavo. An Oct. 23, 2002, Miami Herald article notes that Hammesfahr "charges cash for treatments and advertises himself as a nominee for a Nobel Prize based on a letter his congressman wrote to the Nobel committee." An Oct. 25, 2003, St. Petersburg Times article noted that Hammesfahr "offered no names, no case studies, no videos and no test results to support his claim" that Terri Schiavo could be helped.
Al Franken says this to Joe Scarborough - March 23, 2005 [11] Most people in the polling that's been done would not want to live like she's living. She brain-dead. Now, here's where a lot of misinformation has been passed, including by you, Joe. The other night, you said this and you said it four times. This is how you teased this. "And a Nobel Prize-nominated neurologist who has treated Terri Schiavo, he says Terri should live and that her husband is perpetrating a hoax that is just aimed at killing his wife."
This Dr. Hammesfahr is not a Nobel Prize nominee. You said that four times. He did not treat her. You said that four times. You have to do your research, Joe. There is no such thing as a Nobel Prize nominee. Now, he claims to be a Nobel Prize nominee because a letter was written to the Nobel Committee by Representative Mike Bilirakis.
Since the Schiavo affair began, this neurologist who brags about his alleged "Nobel Prize Nomination" [12], openly on his web site has appeared on scores of radio and TV shows. I would assume that Joe Scarborough and Sean Hannity had no idea that his "nomination" was made by his own [13], from Clearwater, Florida.
As fas as his qualifications are concerned, Hammesfahr is a board certified neurologist who had his troubles at one time in his home State over the billing of a patient. If you would put his c.v. next to a real Nobel Prize nominee, it would be worth absolutely nothing. He is not on the staff of any teaching hospital, nor does he appear to have any affiliation with a medical school. So, what in the world was this Congressman nominating him for in the first place back in 1999?
Stroke therapy's creator labeled pioneer, quack [14] - St. Pete Times - Jul 7, 1999. pg. 1.B
Hammesfahr has been mentioned on Quackwatch, a Web site focusing on fraud and quackery in medicine. His articles have been turned down by well-known medical journals. And a Miami Beach neurologist has filed a complaint with the state accusing Hammesfahr of fraudulent advertising. "In my opinion, it's irresponsible to market any treatment to the public before it has gone through the peer review process," said Dr. Steven Novella, a Yale neurologist who wrote an article about Hammesfahr for Quackwatch.
Terri Schindler Schiavo and the Cardiac Arrest/Heart Attack Lies [15] Dr. William Hammesfahr, a world-reknowned neurologist wrote a complete report regarding Terri Schindler Schiavo dated September 12, 2002. The report reveals that medical tests conducted after Terri's collapse did not show evidence of a heart attack.
Search Google for Hammesfahr and "Nobel Prize" on March 22 had 645 hits [17]
Search Google for Hammesfahr and "Nobel Prize" and Schiavo on March 22 had 479 hits [18]
Search Google for Hammesfahr and "Nobel Prize" without Schiavo on March 22 had 165 hits [19]
Search Google News for Hammesfahr and "Nobel Prize" [20]
Medline search for his name comes up EMPTY" [21] Just put "Hammesfahr W" in the search box.
Terri Schindler-Schiavo claims
It seems that the association of Hammesfahr with the Schindler family goes back a few years. Here are a few of the most interesting links from the many web sites controlled by the Schindler family and their associates: Terrisfight Timeline [22]
Hammesfahr's incredible legal battle with the Florida Board Department of Health - Board of Medicine v. William Hammesfahr [23] - This is the incredible compilation of the case against Hammesfahr. There are 112 Adobe .pdf documents with links, and 11 others without links.
Hammesfahr counter-sued The Board of Medicine in 2004 [24] - Note the staggering number of complaints against him that weren't acted on & dismissed before the board found something to prosecute him for. Not only did patients and physicians complain, so did a former employee - and it was about aiding and abetting the unlicensed practice of medicine.
[1] <http://www.terrisfight.net/documents/Hammesfahr%20Aff%20060101.pdf> [2] <http://www.terrisfight.net/documents/Hammesfahrexam.htm> [3] <http://www.johnandkenshow.com/audio/files/hammesfahr.wma> - audio file [4] <http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/archive.html?blog=/politics/war_room/2005 /03/25/experts/index.html>
- Salon.com [5] <http://www.newshounds.us/2005/03/22/hannity_colmes_misrepresents_doctor_in_schia vo_case.php>
- Transcript of Hannity & Colmes [6] <http://mediamatters.org/items/200503220009> - Media Matters for America - [7] <http://mediamatters.org/items/200503220002> - Media Matters for America [8] <http://www.doh.state.fl.us/mqa/FinalOrders/03-17-03/DOH-03-0182.pdf> [.pdf file - 96 pages]. The board fined Hammesfahr $2,000, placed him on probation for six months, and ordered him to pay approximately $52,000 in administrative costs and to perform 100 hours of community service. While the board also ruled that Hammesfahr's treatment of stroke patients, using a procedure he has claimed could help Terri Schiavo, was "not within the generally accepted standard of care" (Finding of Fact No. 55, PDF p. 33), [9] <http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101458,00.html> [10] <http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2005/schiavo.html> [11] <http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7284763/> [12] http://www.hni-online.com/nobel_prize_nomination.htm [13] http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/email_representative_form.aspx?id=4169 [14] <http://tinyurl.com/6549f> [15] <http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schindler_schiavo_cardiac_arrest_lie.html>
- Libertytothecaptives.net Blog [16] <http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/scientology_and_terri_schindler_schiavo_deat h_connection.html>
- This is yet another wild claim made by the people who run Libertytothecaptives.net Blog. How anyone can believe this is beyond me. [17] <http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&c2coff=1&q=Hammesfahr+%22nobel+prize%22&btnG=S earch&meta=>
[18] <http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&c2coff=1&q=Hammesfahr+%22nobel+prize%22++schia vo&btnG=Search&meta=>
[19] <http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&c2coff=1&q=Hammesfahr+%22nobel+prize%22++-schi avo&btnG=Search&meta=>
[20] <http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&q=Hammesfahr+%22no bel+prize%22++&btnG=Search+News> [21] <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=pubmed> [22] <http://www.terrisfight.org/timeline.html> [23] <http://tinyurl.com/5vwbo> [24] <Hammesfahr/hammesfahr3.pdf>
Quaoar - 02 Apr 2005 20:20 GMT [Drivel snipped]
Did you even *read* the evidence condemning Hammesfahr that *you* posted? The guy is a quack and has no credibility. Besides, Terri was brain dead in the first seven minutes of her anoxia and nothing would save her. All subsequent arguments fail on this evidence of her condition.
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Howard McCollister - 02 Apr 2005 21:44 GMT > Below information is interesting and also controversial. However be > also reminded that Bill Frist, a MD within U.S. Congress stated that he [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > she really wants to die and not more feel the caress of her family > members. Right. That's what we need...politicians weighing in on neurological conditions.
HMc
Barbara Schwarz - 02 Apr 2005 21:51 GMT I posted that before, I hardly anybody of us want a life as vegetables, but I know that there were ways to talk to Terri and train her to tell us what she indeed wanted. Switching off her nutrition tube was murder. Remember also that a person is not her brain. A person has a brain but is none.
Barbara Schwarz
rmayf - 02 Apr 2005 22:32 GMT Ah,
I must not have been direct enough. No way to train her if that picture is correct. Not enough neural tissue to train. A person is a gestalt, mind/body. Take away the mind, you're missing the gestalt. Memory areas in this picture are gone, cognitive processing areas, etc. If that picture is correct the portions of the brain associated with uniqueness as a person were gone. All that's left in this picture is reflex actions.
I'm not arguing for her death, there are plenty of severely brain damaged people existing in nursing home and in developmental disability homes. I can state unequivocally that if this picture (http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2005/03/20/regarding-the-cat-scan-of- terri-schiavos-brain/) was correct that any meaningful learning wasn't possible, and it would be as physically impossible to "recognize people" as it would be to visually identify the difference between black and white if your eyes were removed.
rmayf
It has yet to be proven that intelligence has any survival value. Arthur C. Clarke
> I posted that before, I hardly anybody of us want a life as vegetables, > but I know that there were ways to talk to Terri and train her to tell [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Barbara Schwarz zenmonkey - 03 Apr 2005 04:38 GMT Babs,
I see you're still deluding yourself so you can feel good about the things you post on here. A "person" is not a "brain," true, but a person DOES communicate with other persons by using a functioning brain. That Terri, as a whole, is not just a brain does nothing to negate the fact that without a working brain, or connection of necessary, functioning tissues of the brain to the brain stem, she's not going to be saying anything that reflects what "she" wants. We might be able to train her much as we'd train a parrot, but to that end, we could make her repeat over and over she's a walrus. Very entertaining, hardly useful or relevant to the situation at hand.
-zm
>I posted that before, I hardly anybody of us want a life as vegetables, > but I know that there were ways to talk to Terri and train her to tell [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Barbara Schwarz tech27 - 03 Apr 2005 05:50 GMT >>I posted that before, I hardly anybody of us want a life as vegetables, >> but I know that there were ways to talk to Terri and train her to tell >> us what she indeed wanted. Then why didn't you get your fat a.s over there and find out?
Stupid c.nt-that makes it YOUR FAULT that she's dead now. Why didn't you care enough to go and save a human life?
Switching off her nutrition tube was murder.
If you believe that then you are an accessory to murder, probably something like depraved indifference resulting in death. manslaughter at least. You KNEW how to communicate with her but you didn't care enough to even try. f.cking bitch.
Donna - 03 Apr 2005 06:26 GMT Terri was murdered. She was starved to death. A feeding tube is NOT a respirator, She was NOT dying, She was Severely Disabled!
I say I dont want to drown, I dont want to be a vegetable, I dont want to burn to death...But guess what sometimes things happen. Mike the wacko had no right to cause Terri's parents such grief, Her parents loved thier daughter...It was not about losing Terri...It was about knowing how she would suffer from dehydration and starvation..This is the CRUELEST death any human can go through! People go to prison for treating an animal this way...What the hell has happened to our GREAT NATION UNDER GOD???
Carey Gregory - 03 Apr 2005 06:54 GMT >A feeding tube is NOT a respirator Please explain the difference.
tech27 - 03 Apr 2005 07:15 GMT >>A feeding tube is NOT a respirator > > Please explain the difference. A feeding tube is not a respirator the same way that a box of cereal is not an oxygen tank. Or to put it in a way that a sub-normal, borderline intellectually dead moron like you might understand - a feeding tube is for FOOD-as in nurishment. A respirator is for delivering oxygen, or air, which is the stuff you waste with every breath, and, of course, which you do through a wide open mouth.
Carey Gregory - 03 Apr 2005 08:30 GMT >A feeding tube is not a respirator the same way that a box of cereal is not >an oxygen tank. Or to put it in a way that a sub-normal, borderline >intellectually dead moron like you might understand - a feeding tube is for >FOOD-as in nurishment. A respirator is for delivering oxygen, or air, which >is the stuff you waste with every breath, and, of course, which you do >through a wide open mouth. My, my... cranky tonight, are we?
My question wasn't directed at you, but since you insisted on answering it anyway, please allow me to simplify:
In what way is life support different from life support?
Whether it be food, water, or O2, I fail to see the huge difference between one form of mechanical/surgical life support and another. The only difference I see is the amount of time it will take for you to die if it is shut off.
So, is that the crucial, all-important, ethical and moral difference you see here -- the length of time it takes for the patient to die?
If so, then I suggest we discuss the qualitative aspects of death by suffocation vs.death by dehydration.
Kurt Ullman - 03 Apr 2005 14:28 GMT >>A feeding tube is NOT a respirator > >Please explain the difference. Well for one thing, it goes into different holes in the body...
-- Here in California, US immigrants do the really dirty jobs nobody else wants to do. Cleaning toilets. Being governor.
SBH
Gary Olson - 06 Apr 2005 03:26 GMT If she could have been trained like you say, why did they wait over 15 years to bring it up.
opinions are like a.sholes almost everyone has one
> I posted that before, I hardly anybody of us want a life as vegetables, > but I know that there were ways to talk to Terri and train her to tell [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Barbara Schwarz tech27 - 06 Apr 2005 04:05 GMT >> I posted that before, I hardly anybody of us want a life as vegetables, >> but I know that there were ways to talk to Terri and train her to tell >> us what she indeed wanted. Name one or f.ck off!
Switching off her nutrition tube was murder.
Then why was no one charged?
>> Remember also that a person is not her brain. Right. A person is a lump of flesh and fluids. Maybe you are.
A person has a brain but
>> is none. A sentence has a meaning but you no.
>> Barbara Schwarz >> Stupid Rambling c.nt Lisa Ruby - 03 Apr 2005 09:30 GMT >I think it was murder to cut off her tube. Me too.
Also, it was illegal to cut off her regular food and water but Greer did it anyway. The Florida Legislature even helped him by coming up with bills that made it look like Greer wasn't breaking the law!
See: Exposing the Conspiracy to Kill Terri Schiavo is Not Hate http://libertytothecaptives.net/exposing_conspiracy_not_hatred.html
tech27 - 03 Apr 2005 14:50 GMT >>I think it was murder to cut off her tube. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > See: Exposing the Conspiracy to Kill Terri Schiavo is Not Hate > http://libertytothecaptives.net/exposing_conspiracy_not_hatred.html f.cking Great! The conspiracy theorists have something new to play with. What now? Did she know about Area 51? Kennedy? How they get the center in the Caramilk bar?
Lisa Ruby - 04 Apr 2005 07:37 GMT Conspiracy:
[n] a plot to carry out some harmful or illegal act (especially a political plot) [n] a secret agreement between two or more people to perform an unlawful act [n] a group of conspirators banded together to achieve some harmful or illegal purpose
Scientology IS a conspiracy.. And that no theory.
The Man from Smegma - 07 Apr 2005 01:51 GMT >Below information is interesting and also controversial. However be >also reminded that Bill Frist, a MD within U.S. Congress stated that he [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Report on Terri Released >http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/30/144422.shtml>http://www.newsm ax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/30/144422.shtml But Babs, you don't believe in doctors, remember? And besides, her soul was rotten with body thetans. Now she'll just go back to Mars and be reimplanted. LOLOL
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