The pope has had the absolute best of modern medical care. Throughout his
reign, he has had frequent checkups by teams of the best physicians
available, never had to wait to get an appointment for a symptom, never had
to deal with an HMO or medical insurance run-around. If he had so much as a
pimple on his papal butt, a team of dermatologists were right there to
provide immediate optimal diagnosis and treatment.
Now you have Catholics world-wide all worked up moaning, wailing, and
gnashing teeth because the pope is dying. For the last 10 years, at least,
the pope has been probably 50-pounds over ideal weight. It is generally
accepted that obesity contributes to a shortened life span. Especially with
heart/major-organ failure. So how come nobody ever said anything about
that? And none of his world-class physicians ever put him on a diet?
Huh??!
nospam@nospam.org - 01 Apr 2005 21:12 GMT
>The pope has had the absolute best of modern medical care. Throughout his
>reign, he has had frequent checkups by teams of the best physicians
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Huh??!
Obesity per se is incurable. Even when the obese person is able to take some
reasonable control of his/her diet, engage in a program of physical activity,
and weight loss is possible, the patient will be thinner, perhaps weigh less,
but the unfortunate fact will remain that he/she is just a starved fat person.
That most likely explains why they eventually will gain back their lost weight.
The mind of the obese patient does not change. The obsessive-compulsive behavior
of the overeater does not change. The compulsive carbohydrate binge that starts
when the simple carbohydrates are ingested on any given day does not stop until
the day ends, and if awakened at night, depending on the previous carbohydrate
load, may just start all over again.
To the Editor,
I enjoyed your take on the cure for obesity.[1] But it won't fly. The answer to
inappropriate eating is appropriate eating. Many formerly fat people can testify
to the efficacy of a more rational approach, ie, "I stopped eating french fries
and burgers everyday and slowly reeducated my taste buds to lower calorie,
nutrient-dense foods -- fruits, vegetables, whole grains, lean proteins, and
low-fat dairy -- but I didn't stop eating and nobody took the food out of my
kitchen. I took it out myself. I policed my own behavior."
Many overweight people have gotten used to "feeling fat," to buying larger
clothes, to not being able to bend over, to not fitting in a car comfortably,
and to not being able to walk without panting. I volunteer at a farmer's market
and am stunned at the very obese people who I see walking by my nutrition table.
I have also been stunned by "former fatties" who do stop by my table and tell me
their personal stories of weight loss. One woman had lost 90 lb and had 5 in of
excess skin surgically removed from her arms -- skin no longer filled with fat.
How did she do it? She ate the right food, appropriately, per Weight Watchers .
She did it with exercise. She did it with support. She kept eating. But she ate
different foods than she did when she was "fat." And she kept a log to be
accountable to herself.
Many overweight people who I counsel are depressed and hopeless and tired of
failing with the "stop eating" strategies that they have tried in the past. We
are a fat nation. But every person is capable of learning new skills and
building a support network to help them gain a healthier weight. As a consulting
dietitian and certified diabetes educator, the major obstacle I find is that
many people don't want to pay for a consultation with a qualified health
professional to learn these new skills. They buy a goofy book instead. They
listen to their next-door neighbor instead. They lose 4 lb by not eating and
then give up because they are starving and tired of feeling restricted. There is
a solution to obesity but it is not to "stop feeding fat people." In my opinion,
that would be a demeaning and dehumanizing approach.
Thanks for listening.
Candyce Roberts, MS, RD, CDE
Pleasanton, California
info@yourowndietician.com
Reference
Lundberg GD. How to prevent the obese from becoming "obeser" -- stop eating.
Medscape General Medicine. 2004;6(4). Available at:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/495270 Accessed December 17, 2004.
Gandalf Parker - 01 Apr 2005 21:15 GMT
> It is
> generally accepted that obesity contributes to a shortened life span.
> Especially with heart/major-organ failure. So how come nobody ever
> said anything about that? And none of his world-class physicians ever
> put him on a diet?
Do you KNOW how old the Pope is? Something like 84?
Is there NO end to the "long and happy life" you fat-busters would wish
upon us?
Gandalf Parker
israel - 02 Apr 2005 09:52 GMT
> Do you KNOW how old the Pope is? Something like 84?
Yeah who know how much longer he would have lived if he exercised and took up womanising.:-)
He might have made 94.
In any case, he would have had a lot more fun.
?R.L.Measures - 02 Apr 2005 16:09 GMT
>> Do you KNOW how old the Pope is? Something like 84?
>
>Yeah who know how much longer he would have lived if he exercised and took up womanising.:-)
>He might have made 94.
>
>In any case, he would have had a lot more fun.
** History tells that a pope whose speciality was womanizing was killed
by a hammer-blow to the back of the neck while he was in flagrante
delicto.

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Leigh Darnall - 01 Apr 2005 22:07 GMT
> For the last 10 years, at least,
> the pope has been probably 50-pounds over ideal weight. It is generally
> accepted that obesity contributes to a shortened life span.
Since when is 85 years old a shortened life span?
LD
Go Ahead - 01 Apr 2005 22:40 GMT
>> For the last 10 years, at least, the pope has been probably 50-pounds
>> over ideal weight. It is generally accepted that obesity contributes to a
>> shortened life span.
>
> Since when is 85 years old a shortened life span?
When it's less than 90 or 95...
Go Ahead - 01 Apr 2005 22:41 GMT
>> For the last 10 years, at least, the pope has been probably 50-pounds
>> over ideal weight. It is generally accepted that obesity contributes to a
>> shortened life span.
>
> Since when is 85 years old a shortened life span?
When it's less than 90 or 95...
Philip Holman - 02 Apr 2005 16:43 GMT
>>> For the last 10 years, at least, the pope has been probably
>>> 50-pounds over ideal weight. It is generally accepted that obesity
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> When it's less than 90 or 95...
Life expectancy was probably <70 for someone born in 1920 Poland. Yeh I
know, if he had taken really good care of himself, he would have died 15
years ago. Methinks there is much more to life expectancy than ideal
weight.
Phil H
John Que - 02 Apr 2005 10:13 GMT
> The pope has had the absolute best of modern medical care. Throughout his
> reign, he has had frequent checkups by teams of the best physicians
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Huh??!
Without the extraweight, he would likely already be dead.
Remember he has Parkinson's disease which is largely
unrelated to his weight. Don't get me wrong a good
diet with lots of phytochemicals and antioxidants, unrefined
foods, and certain hormones, he might have lived
another decade had he started decades ago.
Sumbuny - 04 Apr 2005 00:38 GMT
> > The pope has had the absolute best of modern medical care. Throughout his
> > reign, he has had frequent checkups by teams of the best physicians
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> foods, and certain hormones, he might have lived
> another decade had he started decades ago.
I also wonder how many medications (such as for the Parkinson's) might have
contibuted to the weight gain and/or bloat (which appears as weight gain)...
Buny
?R.L.Measures - 04 Apr 2005 11:42 GMT
>> > The pope has had the absolute best of modern medical care. Throughout
>his
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>I also wonder how many medications (such as for the Parkinson's) might have
>contibuted to the weight gain and/or bloat (which appears as weight gain)...
** Polish pastry may also have been a factor since there is even Polish
pastry that carries Wojtyla's name. As I understand it, the pastry is a
divinely tasty variant of the cream-puff. Fortunately for Americans, such
pastries are available in Chicago, IL.

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Rob Duncan - 04 Apr 2005 22:28 GMT
>> The pope has had the absolute best of modern medical care. Throughout his
>> reign, he has had frequent checkups by teams of the best physicians
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> foods, and certain hormones, he might have lived
> another decade had he started decades ago.
Nope. Nothing on earth has been shown to extend life-span other than
calorie restriction. He died because was old. Nothing odd about it.
Rob
?R.L.Measures - 05 Apr 2005 11:51 GMT
>>> The pope has had the absolute best of modern medical care. Throughout his
>>> reign, he has had frequent checkups by teams of the best physicians
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>Nope. Nothing on earth has been shown to extend life-span other than
>calorie restriction. He died because was old. Nothing odd about it.
** Amen, Rob. Do you know where John-Paul II Polish cream-puffs are
being sold on the Internet?
- For me, the laugher is that the faithful pray for the dearly departed
JP-II as if they actually have the power to influence what transpires in
RC Heaven.

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Rob Duncan - 05 Apr 2005 23:16 GMT
>>>> The pope has had the absolute best of modern medical care. Throughout
>>>> his
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> ** Amen, Rob. Do you know where John-Paul II Polish cream-puffs are
> being sold on the Internet?
I wish. If a mouth that can speak as many languages as he could likes them,
the have to be good, right? ;^) Personally I like good old fashioned
chocolate donuts, eclairs, and apple fritters. Mmmm.
> - For me, the laugher is that the faithful pray for the dearly departed
> JP-II as if they actually have the power to influence what transpires in
> RC Heaven.
Ive never understood ancestor worship. What can they do, theyre dead. How
a prayer to a dead person could be anymore powerful than one to a god has
always left me curious. I pray to Mel Blanc btw. Im hoping hell give me
the ability to just not care anymore.
Rob
Rob
JJ - 02 Apr 2005 16:53 GMT
So how come nobody ever said anything about
> that? And none of his world-class physicians ever put him on a diet?
Do you know that his doctors never put him on a diet????
J.
.@. - 02 Apr 2005 18:32 GMT
>The pope has had the absolute best of modern medical care. Throughout his
>reign, he has had frequent checkups by teams of the best physicians
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Huh??!
Because diets kill faster than being over weight. Look what happened
to that Atkins quack. He's been dead for several years, and idiots
are still using that scam diet.
percivalbaines@aol.com - 04 Apr 2005 13:07 GMT
>The pope has had the absolute best of modern medical care. Throughout his
>reign, he has had frequent checkups by teams of the best physicians
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Huh??!
What charmers you types are. The Pope might have put on weight, but
any fat he had was of a very different type from the fat of Sharon,
the Rothschilds or Bilderbergers, whose fat is from gorging on the
rest of us.
The decent world has lost a good friend, and because you recognize
that he knew you for what you are and knew what you are at, you hate
him for it. Well be that as it may. He was not alone in that.
Incidentally, the orientals may like to know that such kosher fat as
lards Bilderberger meat tastes exactly the same as chicken.