The following represents my views. It may or may not represent those of
other people.
Mark Schiavo: what's the hurry in killing your wife Terri?
And please don't feed us the "She didn't want to live like this,"
baloney. For one, I seriously doubt that she ever said that to you or
to anybody else. You never brought that up in the first seven-plus
years after she collapsed. Why not? If that was her wish, you should
have had the figurative plug pulled back in 1990 when it happened.
Certainly no later than 1992. Why did it take you seven years to
remember that?
I'll tell you why. Because she never said it, Mark. It's your cop out.
You couldn't take it anymore. You couldn't handle the stress of the
situation any longer. So you decided to get rid of the inconvenience.
You claim to love her. You have a weird way of showing it---starving
her literally to death. And I understand that there's another woman in
your life. Terri's being alive isn't convenient for that situation, is
it? Better off killing the old girl off and getting it out of the way,
right?
But it wasn't that simple, was it? Many others were opposed to it,
most notably her parents. So why didn't you turn Terri's custody over
to them and be done with it? Then you could do as you please with the
other woman. Would your conscience bother you then?
Let's assume that you're doing this because you simply can't stand to
see her in this state anymore and that there isn't any ulterior motive
involved with the other woman (or women). Don't you understand that
there are still people who love your wife and want to see her continue
to live? Why can't you turn her over to them? They'd take care of
her. Assign guardianship to them.
Instead, you've gotten stubborn about it. You're bound and determined
to have her killed off----and make no bones about it, that's exactly
what you're doing. This isn't a case of a person who has no brain wave
activity, who will die within seconds or minutes of a heart-lung
machine being disconnected, and who won't even know that it happened
because his/her brain is already dead. We're talking about a person
whose body is still functioning with the aid of feeding. True, she has
to be cared for, but so do millions of other people. Many elderly
people are that way. Most infants are that way. Should we kill all of
them, too?
Please don't feed me the "She's in a persistent vegetative state." If
that doesn't matter to her parents, and if the state and/or private
sectors are willing to take care of her and relieve you of all
responsibility, why would it matter to you?
I see that some experts think that she might be in a minimally
conscious state. Shouldn't that be looked into? Why are you so
insistent about killing Terri off? You've waited fifteen years. Why
would another few months matter?
I understand the the courts have ruled that you're her guardian and can
decide matters such as removing her feeding tube. But just who
appointed you God here to decide whether she lives or dies? What's she
guilty of? Not being able to function normally on her own account? If
so, how about killing off all the learning-challenged people? How
about killing off all the elderly who need care? Why not end the lives
of all infants under the age of two? Most of those can't care for
themselves, either.
What's the hurry, Mark?
I've read that you haven't left her bedside since the feeding tube was
removed. Is that supposed to be a final gesture of love? Or are you
staying nearby to make sure nobody sneaks her food or water until she
dies of a lack of both?
Whether you realize it or not, her death won't bring you peace. Far
from it. It will make things worse. You won't understand that until
after she's gone though. But trust me on this, Mark: I've been through
your situation twice with loved ones who were (in each case) in
supposedly irreversible states. I wanted to take the easy out like
you're doing. But I stuck it out both times. Once it worked out well
and the person came back to us and lived a reasonable life for a few
more years. The other time it didn't and the person passed on. It's
tough, but in retrospect, I realize that I made the right decision both
times. You haven't----yet. You seem so obsesed with ending this that
you won't listen to anybody who has an opposing view. You won't just
turn your wife over to your parents and be done with it. They'll love
her. They'll care for her. If they pass on while Terri's still alive,
others will gladly continue her care.
In other words, Mark, you're not going to be out anything or
inconvenienced in any way by turning Terri over to your parents. By
not doing so and forcing her death, you're alienating not only Mr. and
Mrs. Schindler, but literally millions of others. I doubt anybody
would be majorly angry at you if you let Terri's feeding tube be
reconnected. But I shudder to think of all the people who will be very
unhappy with you if she dies from your imposed starvation. Or what
those people might do.
If none of the above makes any sense to you, remember your marriage
vows that stated:
"....to have and to hold from this day forward, for better, for worse,
for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to
cherish, till death do us part"
"Better or worse", Mark. Not just "better". "Sickness and health".
Not just good health. In other words, you were supposed to stick it
out, even though times are bad. Not get rid of what you probably
perceive to be a problem and/or inconvenience because things aren't all
that rosy.
Oh, and "till death do us part," doesn't mean that you're supposed to
hasten her death. Because you're essentially her executioner here.
And it just doesn't make sense to me no matter how its sugar
coated----it's still murder.
Tom Barrister.
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Putney Swope - 25 Mar 2005 07:23 GMT
LOL! 500 words and you can't even get the guys name right.

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> The following represents my views. It may or may not represent those of
> other people.
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Jetfan75 - 25 Mar 2005 14:06 GMT
Idiot
> The following represents my views. It may or may not represent those of
> other people.
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Carey Gregory - 25 Mar 2005 15:15 GMT
>I understand the the courts have ruled that you're her guardian and can
>decide matters such as removing her feeding tube. But just who
>appointed you God here to decide whether she lives or dies?
Is this the Jeopardy version of logic? You gave the answer then asked the
question.
Buzz Lightyear - 25 Mar 2005 15:48 GMT
Maybe bruce Springsteen will write a song about it
>>I understand the the courts have ruled that you're her guardian and can
>>decide matters such as removing her feeding tube. But just who
>>appointed you God here to decide whether she lives or dies?
>
> Is this the Jeopardy version of logic? You gave the answer then asked the
> question.
Jumping Jack Flash - 25 Mar 2005 21:58 GMT
How did Springsteen find his way to this group of lists that this was posted
to?
> The following represents my views. It may or may not represent those of
> other people.
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> (apologies if this appears more than once in a newsgroup)
A to Z - 25 Mar 2005 22:28 GMT
> How did Springsteen find his way to this group of lists that this was posted
> to?
he took a wrong turn and he just kept goin'?
> > The following represents my views. It may or may not represent those of
> > other people.
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> > (apologies if this appears more than once in a newsgroup)
Jeff - 26 Mar 2005 00:08 GMT
> The following represents my views. It may or may not represent those of
> other people.
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> Certainly no later than 1992. Why did it take you seven years to
> remember that?
Until he came to the conclusion that she would never get better, it was not
relevent.
> I'll tell you why. Because she never said it, Mark. It's your cop out.
> You couldn't take it anymore. You couldn't handle the stress of the
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> it? Better off killing the old girl off and getting it out of the way,
> right?
You might want to read the actual court documents. They show that she did
say this. And to more people than just her husband.
> But it wasn't that simple, was it? Many others were opposed to it,
> most notably her parents. So why didn't you turn Terri's custody over
> to them and be done with it? Then you could do as you please with the
> other woman. Would your conscience bother you then?
It would bother me, if I were in his shoes. I would be abandoning her
because I didn't carry out her wishes.
> Let's assume that you're doing this because you simply can't stand to
> see her in this state anymore and that there isn't any ulterior motive
> involved with the other woman (or women). Don't you understand that
> there are still people who love your wife and want to see her continue
> to live? Why can't you turn her over to them? They'd take care of
> her. Assign guardianship to them.
I wouldn't call her existance "living."
> Instead, you've gotten stubborn about it. You're bound and determined
> to have her killed off----and make no bones about it, that's exactly
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> people are that way. Most infants are that way. Should we kill all of
> them, too?
No, they most infants are that way. They learn and grow. Terri will never
learn or grow or do anything again. She has no consciousness and cannot
recover.
> Please don't feed me the "She's in a persistent vegetative state." If
> that doesn't matter to her parents, and if the state and/or private
> sectors are willing to take care of her and relieve you of all
> responsibility, why would it matter to you?
Because he is the one she decided should make the decision when she married
him.
> I see that some experts think that she might be in a minimally
> conscious state. Shouldn't that be looked into? Why are you so
> insistent about killing Terri off? You've waited fifteen years. Why
> would another few months matter?
That was looked into several times by people who spent a lot of time with
Terri.
> I understand the the courts have ruled that you're her guardian and can
> decide matters such as removing her feeding tube. But just who
> appointed you God here to decide whether she lives or dies?
She did when she married him and did not choose a different person to have
the healtcare power of attorney.
> What's she
> guilty of? Not being able to function normally on her own account? If
> so, how about killing off all the learning-challenged people? How
> about killing off all the elderly who need care? Why not end the lives
> of all infants under the age of two? Most of those can't care for
> themselves, either.
Infants grow and learn. Terri will never grow and learn. Or consciously
smile or laugh or cry.
> What's the hurry, Mark?
>
> I've read that you haven't left her bedside since the feeding tube was
> removed. Is that supposed to be a final gesture of love? Or are you
> staying nearby to make sure nobody sneaks her food or water until she
> dies of a lack of both?
She will die of lack of water. The lack of food takes a lot longer to kill.
> Whether you realize it or not, her death won't bring you peace. Far
> from it. It will make things worse. You won't understand that until
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> tough, but in retrospect, I realize that I made the right decision both
> times.
THere is no possibility that she will get better. This has been affirmed by
several competent neurologists.
It is her wish that she doesn't want to exist as she is.
> You haven't----yet. You seem so obsesed with ending this that
> you won't listen to anybody who has an opposing view. You won't just
> turn your wife over to your parents and be done with it. They'll love
> her. They'll care for her. If they pass on while Terri's still alive,
> others will gladly continue her care.
> In other words, Mark, you're not going to be out anything or
> inconvenienced in any way by turning Terri over to your parents. By
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> perceive to be a problem and/or inconvenience because things aren't all
> that rosy.
Sometimes sticking it out means honoring your wife's wishes, even if they
are not popular with everyone.
> Oh, and "till death do us part," doesn't mean that you're supposed to
> hasten her death. Because you're essentially her executioner here.
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>
> (apologies if this appears more than once in a newsgroup)
PF Riley - 26 Mar 2005 05:54 GMT
>The following represents my views. It may or may not represent those of
>other people.
>
>Mark Schiavo: what's the hurry in killing your wife Terri?
Who is Mark Schiavo?
Do you mean the man who petitioned the Crystal Falls, MI City Council
in 2002 for a public hearing regarding the development of the Paint
River Hills Campground?
http://www.crystalfalls.org/MINUTES/APRIL%208%2C%202002.htm
Or are you talking to the Office Administrator for the national law
firm of Littler Mendelson?
http://www.aecphilly.com/news_law.htm
Or the Mark Schiavo who sold a condominium in 2001 in New Brunswick?
http://www.injersey.com/RealEstate/story/0%2C1151%2C439366%2C00.html
Whoever it is, what makes you think he's married to Terri Schiavo?
What happened to her husband Michael?
PF
tech27 - 26 Mar 2005 06:18 GMT
>>The following represents my views. It may or may not represent those of
>>other people.
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> PF
It's the condo guy. He's been looking for someone to whack his wife. Don't
know why the OP didn't just call the police.
JoettaB - 26 Mar 2005 08:42 GMT
>>>The following represents my views. It may or may not represent those of
>>>other people.
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> It's the condo guy. He's been looking for someone to whack his wife. Don't
> know why the OP didn't just call the police.
hahahahaaaa.... oh my.
Selene Cordi - 27 Mar 2005 06:12 GMT
Harry - 30 Mar 2005 20:10 GMT
Hello,
Follow the money, honey.
Now for the truth about Terri Schiavo's $1.2 Million:
http://snipurl.com/dq3l
or:
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%
5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200309%5CCUL200309
12b.html
Terri's gastrostomy or "g-tube" in 1998 after winning
a $1.2 million medical malpractice judgment against
her former physician. Terri's parents, Robert and
Mary Schindler, have opposed Schiavo's attempts to
starve their daughter to death.
Time Line:
Terri collapsed 1990;
Terri receives $1.2 million judgment in1998;
Michael starts death march against Terri in 1998;
Mr./Mrs Schindler fight Michael for 5 years and win
according to:
Title 46, Chapter 825, Section 102 (3)(a) of the
Florida Criminal Statutes states that the crime of
"neglect of an elderly person or disabled adult"
occurs as the result of:
"A caregiver's failure or omission to provide an
elderly person or disabled adult with the care,
supervision and services necessary to maintain the
elderly person's or disabled adult's physical and
mental health, including, but not limited to, food,
nutrition, clothing, shelter, supervision, medicine
and medical services that a prudent person would
consider essential for the well-being of the elderly
person or disabled adult." in 1993.
http://snipurl.com/dq42
or:
http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mo
de=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch082
5/SEC102.HTM&Title=- target=
All during this time Michael had been refusing
therapy and mouth feedings for Terri, and was
reported to the police for injecting her with insulin.
One more thing: why did Michael wait until they
got the money before wanting Terri dead?
More Litigations:
Disabled Woman Would Cry 'Help Me,' Caregivers
Claim:
"Michael [Schiavo] would say, 'When is she going to
die? Has she died yet?' and 'When is that bitch going
to die?'" Iyer charged. "Other statements which I
recall him making include, 'Can't anything be done
to accelerate her death, won't she ever die?' When
she wouldn't die, Michael [Schiavo] would be
furious."
"Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence,
saying such things as 'mommy' and 'help me,'" Iyer
recalled. "'Help me' was, in fact, one of her most
frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds of
times."
http://snipurl.com/dq47
or:
http://www.cnsnews.com/Culture/Archive/200309/C
UL20030903b.html
PALESTINE LIVES (pictures):
http://paminifarm9.tripod.com/palestine/palpics.html
Jew bar code begins with 729
Jesus' - uh - hope for Jews- John 8:44
Jesus said- Donot Feed the Trolls: Math.7:6
Divest From Israel Campaign
http://www.divest-from-israel-campaign.org/
"God forbid that I should lose the life eternal,
for this carnal and short life." Mrs. Priest
http://paminifarm.com
D.F. Manno - 30 Mar 2005 22:32 GMT
> Now for the truth about Terri Schiavo's $1.2 Million:
You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the a.s.
> http://snipurl.com/dq3l
> or:
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> Mary Schindler, have opposed Schiavo's attempts to
> starve their daughter to death.
She's been dead since 1990.
> Time Line:
> Terri collapsed 1990;
> Terri receives $1.2 million judgment in1998;
Wrong. The judgment was awarded in 1992.
Furthermore, the bulk of the money was placed in a trust fund with an
independent trustee. Michael Schiavo had no access to it. The guardian
ad litem in the case found that the trust was appropriately managed and
that all records were in order. The trust fund is also all but gone.

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"The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream
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Joanne Marinelli - 31 Mar 2005 05:49 GMT
> In article <1112209836.778394.12570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> Wrong. The judgment was awarded in 1992.
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> "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream
> will never die."
Hey DF. I left alt.ssd for awhile, but still lurk here even though I don't
read Otis. Nice to read a familiar poster in any case. The Schiavo bullshit
makes me turn again such groups as ADAPT and Not Dead Yet even more than I
already have. If you give an agitator a mirror you might just wind up with
George Bush's reflection looking back in it.
Joanne
posting from disability issues