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Medical Forum / General / General / March 2005unusual low carb diet questions
HI all. I have been on a low carb diet before, but it was for a very short period of time, before events in my life meant I could no longer continue it. I want to try a low carb diet again, but I have these questions: 1)I don't feel i can do a diet where i can eat a very small amount of carbs, day in day out.Even if this carb restriction is only for the initial phase of the diet. My life at the moment is, to be frank, very stressful and the depression which i will suffer rom restricting the carbs will make it unbearably stressful. However what i think i can manage is to severely cut-back on my carbs, but this cuttting back will not be as 'systematic' as I read a low carb diet should be. Let me explain, i think i can manage to eat mainly protein foods, but my intake of carbs on some days will be way more than the small amount i should eat, according to the diet books. Will eating mainly proteins,with also some carbs still cause weight loss or, will the carbs completely negate the benefits from eating mainly protein? I mean, on some days i will eat almost 100 % protein, but on other days some carbs will creep in, due mainly to life-stress and comfort eating. 2)I have read on many web sites that alcohol is very bad for weight loss, since the body preferentially burns the alcohol before the fat.But is this really true? I mean, i see a lot of alcoholics who are pencil thin.If a person only consumes one or two glasses of vodka a day, and then eats a very small amount of food, surely he will lose weight, especially if he has a busy life schedule which means he walks about a lot? Under normal circmstances ,my alcohol consumption is very low, mainly because I have a strong aversion to it's taste, but right now due to a stressful life, I am wondering whether eating a small amount of food and one or two small glasses of vodka is really all that bad for weight loss? I know my alcohol question is very unusal, and it's goes 100 % against the 'you need to change the way you eat for life, and watch your whole lifestyle, and not just go on a crash diet etc etc' message, but since this is a free message board I feel I have the right to ask this alcohol question, even though I will ineviatably get flamed. Don't get me wrong I don't advocate an alcohol weight loss diet ( on a side note,with all the plethora of diets, has anyone ever written an alcohol diet?!), but for the period of time I will be drinking more alcohol than normal I wanted to know if it will have an especially negative effect on my diet, even if i keep my calories low. Thanks for reading this post and i hope you can over-look the unusual nature of my post and help me out.Bye my friends and companions in weight loss. > HI all. I have been on a low carb diet before, but it was for a very > short period of time, before events in my life meant I could no longer [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > mean, on some days i will eat almost 100 % protein, but on other days > some carbs will creep in, due mainly to life-stress and comfort eating. It is a quantitative, and not a qualitative question. How many carbs on bad days and how many on good days? How many bad days per month? You are not going to lose weight if you stay good for a few days on a week and binge a few days a week. > 2)I have read on many web sites that alcohol is very bad for weight > loss, since the body preferentially burns the alcohol before the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > amount of food and one or two small glasses of vodka is really all that > bad for weight loss? How small are those "glasses of vodka"? > I know my alcohol question is very unusal, and it's goes 100 % against > the 'you need to change the way you eat for life, and watch your whole [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > nature of my post and help me out.Bye my friends and companions in > weight loss. As long as you manage to "eat less" than your maintenance level, you will lose weight.  Signature223/173.3/180 Why dont you dont try working on the what is causing you all the stress in your life? Are you using alcohol and food to get you throught the stress? Are you a comfort eater and drinker? Simply removing or minimizing your stress can have a weight loss affect on you. Give up the booze too as it is a depressant so you may find consuming alcohol counterproductive in dealing with your depression. Laureen zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote: > HI all. I have been on a low carb diet before, but it was for a very > short period of time, before events in my life meant I could no longer [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > nature of my post and help me out.Bye my friends and companions in > weight loss. > HI all. I have been on a low carb diet before, but it was for a very > short period of time, before events in my life meant I could no longer [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > nature of my post and help me out.Bye my friends and companions in > weight loss. You sure seem to have made up your mind what you are going to do in the negative sense. What the hell does the life situation around you have to do with your eventaul weight loss? make up your mind if you're going to lose weight or blame everyone around you for what you are. SignaturePerre This is probably the best advice you'll ever get so think hard, buddy, think hard. zaman_2756@yahoo.com wrote in news:1111011870.107788.205920 @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: > HI all. I have been on a low carb diet before, but it was for a very > short period of time, before events in my life meant I could no longer [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > mean, on some days i will eat almost 100 % protein, but on other days > some carbs will creep in, due mainly to life-stress and comfort eating. If you're eating for comfort, you'll fail. If you approach this whole thing as a loss, you'll probably fail. Readjust your attitude. Low-carb has very little to do with weight loss, except that lots of high- carb foods are calorie-dense. So don't sweat the carbs. Eliminate all the simple carbs to start with, then go on from there as you feel inclined. Come up with a few simple, tasty meals you can eat day in and day out and eat them. Don't make eating an adventure or a comfort blanket. Choose a day a week when you relax the rules. Allow yourself one dessert a week on that day. Lift weights so the weight you lose won't be as much muscle as fat. > 2)I have read on many web sites that alcohol is very bad for weight > loss, since the body preferentially burns the alcohol before the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > nature of my post and help me out.Bye my friends and companions in > weight loss. Planning to go on a drinking binge doesn't have much to do with health. Using alcohol to handle depression is stupid, and planning to use alcohol to handle depression is *really* stupid. Allot yourself a couple of drinks over the week and you'll be fine. Hugh SignatureExperience keeps a dear school, but fools will attend no other. You are probably incorrect in assuming that eating low carb will cause depression, a lot of people find the opposite to be true. And you are NEVER supposed to eat 100% protein, you are supposed to get a good percentage of your calories from fat. Some people do find that just cutting out things like potatoes, pasta, rice and bread cause them to lose weight. It depends a lot on how much you have to lose and whether cutting these things out will reduce your overall calorie consumption enough. Low carb works mainly by reducing appetite--calories still count. And that is applicable to your alcohol question. The calories count and if you drink too much you may be tempted to eat something you shouldn't or even more of something that's okay. Alcohol really is a poor way to relieve stress even though lots of people do it. In news:1111011870.107788.205920@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, zaman_2756@yahoo.com <zaman_2756@yahoo.com> stated | HI all. I have been on a low carb diet before, but it was for a very | short period of time, before events in my life meant I could no longer [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] | nature of my post and help me out.Bye my friends and companions in | weight loss. > HI all. I have been on a low carb diet before, but it was for a very > short period of time, before events in my life meant I could no longer [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > mean, on some days i will eat almost 100 % protein, but on other days > some carbs will creep in, due mainly to life-stress and comfort eating. It basically will come down to how much you eat overall. If you burn more than you eat you will lose weight; low carb is an easy way to not eat so much, done right. > 2)I have read on many web sites that alcohol is very bad for weight > loss, since the body preferentially burns the alcohol before the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > amount of food and one or two small glasses of vodka is really all that > bad for weight loss? Well, alcohol = 7 cals/gram, for contrast carbs are about 4 cals/gram. But a lot of the short term 'bad effects' with alcohol is where someone goes out and has ten pints and a curry; beer has a fair amount of calories over and above the alcohol, and the curry you then eat when too pissed to consider the consequences is not going to help you lose weight either. On the other hand, whatever problems you have right now are probably not as serious as the problems you might potentially have in five years when you are an alcoholic with impending liver failure. Drinking to try to cope with problems is a classic first step down that path. It may lead to pencil thin people, but that's for much the same reason as heroin addicts losing weight, not eating because drinking comes first. Peter [snip] on some days i will eat almost 100 % protein, [snip] Carbs should be replaced by fat, not protein. > Will eating mainly > proteins,with also some carbs still cause weight loss or, will the > carbs completely negate the benefits from eating mainly protein? I > mean, on some days i will eat almost 100 % protein, but on other days > some carbs will creep in, due mainly to life-stress and comfort eating. Creating a CALORIC DEFICIT will cause you to lose weight, the type of food is irrelevant...carb/protein/fat > 2)I have read on many web sites that alcohol is very bad for weight > loss, since the body preferentially burns the alcohol before the > fat Alcohol is not a good fuel source. It is a TOXIN to the body and is dealt with as such. Alcoholics are generally thin because they generally do not eat much. >> Will eating mainly >> proteins,with also some carbs still cause weight loss or, will the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Creating a CALORIC DEFICIT will cause you to lose weight, the type of >food is irrelevant...carb/protein/fat That may be true with respect to losing "weight" but if you want to maximize fat loss and minimize lean body mass loss then you want to be sure you consume enough protein in your hypocaloric state. It is not clear exactly how much protein is needed to optimally reduce LBM loss but I imagine it is at *least* .5 grams of protein per pound LBM per day if not more. Paul > fat.But is this really true? I mean, i see a lot of alcoholics who are > pencil thin.If a person only consumes one or two glasses of vodka a This excerpt may help you learn why alcoholics may be thin and it certainly isn't because the alcohol is directly resposible for making them lose weight, the weight loss is only one symptom of a fatal disease, (AIDS or cancer can make you skinny, too.) http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/9339/9717.html#symptoms Symptoms In its early stages, cirrhosis often has no symptoms. But as liver cells die, the organ makes less of the proteins that regulate fluid retention and blood clotting and loses its ability to metabolize the pigment bilirubin. The resulting symptoms and complications include: * Fatigue * Loss of appetite * Nausea and vomiting * Weakness * Weight loss * Fluid accumulation in the legs (edema) and abdomen (ascites) * Increased bleeding and bruising * Jaundice, a yellowing of the skin and eyes * Itching SignatureNo Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes || HI all. I have been on a low carb diet before, but it was for a very || short period of time, before events in my life meant I could no [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] || nature of my post and help me out.Bye my friends and companions in || weight loss. Please read one of the poplar low-carb diet books (Atkins, South Beach, Carbohydrate Addict's Diet, the Zone, etc.) You have so many misconceptions about what a low-carb diet is -- and entails -- that I wouldn't even know where to begin! SignaturePeter Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo Hi again. Sorry for the misunderstanding, i did not mean I used 10,000 calories per day, but meant 10 000 kilojoules, or whatever the other form of measuring energy is, which is roughly 4 times as large as kilocalories. Here is a link to the article concering alcohol and weight loss, the part which got me very worried was where it said even a small amount of vodka can lead to about a 73% drop in the metabloic rate: http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/research/alcohol.htm I'd welcome all thoughts on this article, because I've read some intelligent people in Google groups saying alcohol does not have that much of a negative effect on weight loss, as long as you do a lot of exercise and restrict you other calories. Thanks and bye friends. 01:09:05 Mon, 21 Mar 2005misc.fitness.weights >||1)I don't feel i can do a diet where i can eat a very small amount of >|| carbs, day in day out.Even if this carb restriction is only for the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >|| protein, but on other days some carbs will creep in, due mainly to >|| life-stress and comfort eating. I don't know what your goals are, but the words "severely cut-back on my carbs" give the impression that you might be on the wrong track. Severe dieting is intrinsically problematic in lots of ways (particularly health-wise and in your ability to maintain it, not to mention how depressing it can be to your self-esteem when you encounter problems): my suggestion is that you try a milder version. Have a look at my diet page (link in my sig below); this is what I did and it worked, and is still working for me, two years later. SignatureMartin Thompson bin@tucana.demon.co.uk (use "martin" not "bin") London, UK Home Page: http://www.tucana.demon.co.uk Diet Success: http://www.tucana.demon.co.uk/diet.htm Mobile Phone Ring Tones: http://www.ringamoby.com "Everything I do and say with anyone makes a difference." Gita Bellin || 01:09:05 Mon, 21 Mar 2005misc.fitness.weights || Marengo at Marengo <marengo@thelink.net> writes: ||||| 1)I don't feel i can do a diet where i can eat a very small [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] || || "Everything I do and say with anyone makes a difference." Gita Bellin You edited your quotes wrong; I did not post what you have attributed to me above. That was zaman's post; you deleted my response and his signature. SignaturePeter Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo 23:17:57 Tue, 22 Mar 2005misc.fitness.weights >You edited your quotes wrong; I did not post what you have attributed to >me above. That was zaman's post; you deleted my response and his >signature. Oops; sorry! :-) Actually, it looks like his original post never made it to my PC, strangely enough. Oh, well: hopefully he will read it all anyway. SignatureMartin Thompson bin@tucana.demon.co.uk (use "martin" not "bin") London, UK Home Page: http://www.tucana.demon.co.uk Diet Success: http://www.tucana.demon.co.uk/diet.htm Mobile Phone Ring Tones: http://www.ringamoby.com "Everything I do and say with anyone makes a difference." Gita Bellin |
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