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guenter stertenbrink - 16 Mar 2005 15:04 GMT
I was curious, how people infect with flu or cold.
There are some studies which seem to prove that
it's mainly that you touch something which an
infected person had touched before.

But then they conclude that the virus enters your body
when you touch your nose or eyes afterwards.
How do they know this ?
Couldn't it be that the virus enters through mouth,
after touching the food, which you eat ?

-Guenter
Jeff - 16 Mar 2005 15:24 GMT
>I was curious, how people infect with flu or cold.
> There are some studies which seem to prove that
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> Couldn't it be that the virus enters through mouth,
> after touching the food, which you eat ?

After you eat food, the food goes into your stomach. Your stomach quite
acidic. The acid kills most bacteria and viruses (but not all, otherwise
your poop wouldn't stink and you would never get the bacterial or viral
infections that cause vomiting and diarrhea). In addition, the digestive
engymes digest flu and cold viruses, as well.

I am not saying you could never get flu or cold from eating food, but  it is
very rare.

Jeff

> -Guenter
Jason - 16 Mar 2005 18:31 GMT
> I was curious, how people infect with flu or cold.
> There are some studies which seem to prove that
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>
> -Guenter

Guenter,
I doubt that hardly anyone gets a virus from food. Studies have been done
by medical experts which prove that a virus like the cold virus and flu
virus enters your body by means of the nose and in some cases the mouth.
In most cases the virus grows in the lungs or sinuses. If it grows in the
sinuses--it eventually enters the lungs and continues to grow. There is
one company named Zicam that sells a spray that is designed to kill the
cold and flu virus while it is still in the nose or sinuses. Once it
enters the lungs--Zicam won't help. I have read that Zicam may also damage
your ability to smell--at least in some people. I used Zicam and did NOT
loose my ability to smell.

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guenter stertenbrink - 17 Mar 2005 07:15 GMT
>After you eat food, the food goes into your stomach. Your stomach quite

the virus could enter the body through the skin in the mouth.
It could hide together with food-rests in a hole between the teeth.
Why is it easier to break through the skin in the nose or eye
than through the gums ?

>acidic. The acid kills most bacteria and viruses (but not all, otherwise
>your poop wouldn't stink and you would never get the bacterial or viral

I don't think you get these through mouth. They reside in distant colon
since birth, no need to refresh these bacteria.

>infections that cause vomiting and diarrhea). In addition, the digestive
>engymes digest flu and cold viruses, as well.

how many calories do they have ;-)

>I am not saying you could never get flu or cold from eating food, but  it is
>very rare.
>
>Jeff

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>Guenter,
>I doubt that hardly anyone gets a virus from food. Studies have been done
>by medical experts which prove that a virus like the cold virus and flu
>virus enters your body by means of the nose and in some cases the mouth.

reference ? Or just give some clever keywords which I could try
with medline/pubmed database.
I also read that they enter through eyes.

>In most cases the virus grows in the lungs or sinuses. If it grows in the
>sinuses--it eventually enters the lungs and continues to grow. There is
>one company named Zicam that sells a spray that is designed to kill the
>cold and flu virus while it is still in the nose or sinuses. Once it

you say "still", but it could enter the lungs or sinuses through blood.
Indeed, when it enters the skin in the nose or eyes (as I suspect it
would through this nose-hand-telefone etc.-other hand-nose chain)
then it would presumably go into blood before entering the sinuses ?
(I'm speculating here)

>enters the lungs--Zicam won't help. I have read that Zicam may also damage
>your ability to smell--at least in some people. I used Zicam and did NOT
>loose my ability to smell.

I'll try to find a study about zicam

-Guenter.
Jeff - 17 Mar 2005 14:44 GMT
> >After you eat food, the food goes into your stomach. Your stomach quite
>
> the virus could enter the body through the skin in the mouth.
> It could hide together with food-rests in a hole between the teeth.
> Why is it easier to break through the skin in the nose or eye
> than through the gums ?

It grows in the mucus membrane of the nose, not the mouth.

> >acidic. The acid kills most bacteria and viruses (but not all, otherwise
> >your poop wouldn't stink and you would never get the bacterial or viral
>
> I don't think you get these through mouth. They reside in distant colon
> since birth, no need to refresh these bacteria

Wrong. At birth, a baby is completely sterile. No germs or bacteria at all.
The gut is colonized from above. The first poop a baby has (the meconium) is
sterile and doesn't small at all.

Remember that baby, David, the Bubble Boy? His body remained sterile. His
poop didn't smell, either.

Jeff

> >infections that cause vomiting and diarrhea). In addition, the digestive
> >engymes digest flu and cold viruses, as well.
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>
> -Guenter.
guenter stertenbrink - 17 Mar 2005 07:38 GMT
I looked up "zincal" now. See below. Sounds good.Thanks for the hint.
But it just decreases the symptoms, the infection itself
is not affected , (right ?)

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At study's end, the duration of symptoms was 2.3 days (+/-0.9)in the
zinc group and 9.0 days (+/-2.5)in the control group--a statistically
significant difference (p <0.05). These results provide evidence that
zinc nasal gel is effective in shortening the duration of common cold
symptoms off when taken within 24 hours of their onset.
 
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