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Medical Forum / General / General / April 2005Nurses still 'suspicious' of MMR
Nurses still 'suspicious' of MMR NT Online News posted on 11 02 2005 http://www.nursingtimes.net/nav?page=nt.news.story&resource=2040886 The vast majority of nurses lack confidence in the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine despite overwhelming evidence that it does not cause autism. In a poll of over 300 nurses conducted on nursingtimes.net, 94% said they were 'still suspicious' of MMR. The results come as a leading academic today said the UK has 'all but lost the battle for MMR'. Professor Paul Bellaby, writing in the British Medical Journal blamed the lack of support for MMR on a failure of leadership by health professionals, lack of support from politicians, including the prime minister, and journalists who 'have more interest in amplifying risk than allaying public anxiety' Last week week a major Japanese study showed no link between the vaccine and childhood autism. The research is the latest in a long line of studies which have failed to replicate or validate a paper published in The Lancet in 1998 suggesting the vaccine caused bowel disease and autism. Up to that point, MMR vaccinations in the United Kingdom reached 92% of its targets. But by 2002, the United Kingdom lost considerable ground and coverage of MMR in London is around 75%. Reference: Bellaby P (2005) Has the UK government lost the battle over MMR? BMJ 330 (7491) 552-553 > Nurses still 'suspicious' of MMR >NT Online News [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >rubella (MMR) vaccine despite overwhelming evidence that it does not cause >autism. Gee, I never thought I'd see John admit that the evidence for the safety of MMR is "overwhelming." It's gratifying to see, though. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) > Nurses still 'suspicious' of MMR > NT Online News [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > In a poll of over 300 nurses conducted on nursingtimes.net, 94% said they > were 'still suspicious' of MMR. This sounds like there could be a lot of self-selection bias -- it could be that nurses who were "suspicious" of MMR responded. Nurses don't have the training in immunology and vaccines that physicians have. A lot of them don't have experience caring for kids in iron lungs, kids who brains have been damaged by menigitis or kids who cough to death with purtusis, either. Jeff (...) > Nurses don't have the training in immunology and vaccines that physicians > have. A lot of them don't have experience caring for kids in iron lungs, > kids who brains have been damaged by menigitis or kids who cough to death > with purtusis, either. One thing is for sure, they have 1,000 times the heart you don't have, which is all you need in medicine, not some pseudo knowledge in junk science, that is maiming and killing children on a daily basis. And get a spell checker, if you are going to talk pharma bollocks it looks better--you might at least fool the monkeys. And you allopaths caused iron lung polio by removing tonsils. Read some history books. >> Nurses don't have the training in immunology and vaccines that physicians >> have. A lot of them don't have experience caring for kids in iron lungs, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > which is all you need in medicine, not some pseudo knowledge in junk > science, that is maiming and killing children on a daily basis. Fortunately, the pseudoscienced of a.sholes like wakefield has not caught one, so it does not maim nearly as many people as that. Fortuantely, most people accept vaccines. And thousands of kids are alive because of this. For example, no cases of polio or smallpox are seen in the US. menigitis, hepatitis, measles, chieckpox, rubella related birth defects, pertusis and diptheria are down because of vaccination. > And get a > spell checker, if you are going to talk pharma bollocks it looks > better--you > might at least fool the monkeys. And you allopaths caused iron lung polio > by removing tonsils. Read some history books. HA HA. That is the funnist thing I have read today. Tonsil removal causes polio? Polio is caused by a virus. Jeff > might at least fool the monkeys. And you allopaths caused iron lung polio > by removing tonsils. Read some history books. Odd.... I don't have tonsils (I was a strep carrier) and neither does my husband. And we somehow seem to have forgetten our iron lungs... where *did* we put the darn things? Maybe the moving company lost them when we moved last fall? Cathy Weeks Mommy to vaccinated kids who don't seem to have the health problems he claims that they should. "Cathy Weeks" <kathyspam@weeksfamily.net> wrote in message > Odd.... I don't have tonsils (I was a strep carrier) and neither does > my husband. And we somehow seem to have forgetten our iron lungs... > where *did* we put the darn things? Maybe the moving company lost them > when we moved last fall? You'll be alright, ahven't you heard the vaccine eliminated polio? John, John, John, To quote you from an earlier post in this thread... "And get a spell checker, if you are going to talk pharma bollocks it looks better--you might at least fool the monkeys." Then, in your last post you write... "You'll be alright, ahven't you heard the vaccine eliminated polio?" Where in the name of all that is sacred is your freaking spell checker? Looks like you took a bullock right between the eyes on that post and bullock wounds are nasty. No, wait! I must have been thinking of another word. All you do is cut, paste, and hyperlink. Doesn't take a member of MENSA to do what you're doing but you might at least fool the monkeys. >John, John, John, > To quote you from an earlier post in this thread... "And get a spell [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >the vaccine eliminated polio?" > Where in the name of all that is sacred is your freaking spell checker? It's his English accent. It's like saying "Has he got a hat" and having it come out "'as 'e go' a 'at?" PF > It's his English accent. It's like saying "Has he got a hat" and > having it come out "'as 'e go' a 'at?" Yeah, Cockney! >Doesn't take a member of > MENSA to do what you're doing but you might at least fool the monkeys. when has MENSA done anything that warranted any attention, it just proves you need emotional/spiritual intelligence to find the truth not academic brilliance. And you are one of the billions of monkeys believing a load of old bollocks--that cartel medicine is ever going to solve the disease problem--in fact it is the main cause of the disease and fear on the planet http://www.whale.to/a/fear_dis.html i am the monkey in the top of the tree taking the son, while you are running about on the floor, in the dark, scared to death and eating bullshit this monkey is laughing at you, even more so as you believe all that bollocks so much, and think you are so clever on scoring a non existant point on spelling, and can't even distinguish between a typo and a spelling mistake!--and blimey do you think I think I am a great speller and typist?? LOL! and blimey do you think I think I am a great speller and typist?? LOL! No, just a horses a.s > and blimey do you think I think I am a great speller and typist?? > LOL! > > > No, just a horses a.s You said it > >Doesn't take a member of >> MENSA to do what you're doing but you might at least fool the monkeys. > >when has MENSA done anything that warranted any attention, it just proves >you need emotional/spiritual intelligence to find the truth not academic >brilliance. Guess John failed the Mensa exam and he's still bitter about it. >And you are one of the billions of monkeys believing a load of >old bollocks--that cartel medicine is ever going to solve the disease >problem--in fact it is the main cause of the disease and fear on the planet >http://www.whale.to/a/fear_dis.html > >i am the monkey in the top of the tree taking the son, Holy smoke, now he's kidnapping children. Is there no end to this? >while you are running >about on the floor, in the dark, scared to death and eating bullshit [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >point on spelling, and can't even distinguish between a typo and a spelling >mistake!--and blimey do you think I think I am a great speller and typist?? No, I don't think you're a great anything except a great fool. A fool who's trying to kid both himself and us that he's some sort of genius. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "His staff loves to say Bush is a man who doesn't know the meaning of the word 'quit.' Well, apparently he's not all that conversant with the word 'shame' either." (Will Durst) >You'll be alright, ahven't you heard the vaccine eliminated polio? Ah, at last he's come 'round! >And you allopaths caused iron lung polio >by removing tonsils. Read some history books. Everyone once in a while, we are treated to yet another amazing glimpse into the vast amount of lunacy that resides in John's mind. PF >>And you allopaths caused iron lung polio >>by removing tonsils. Read some history books. > >Everyone once in a while, we are treated to yet another amazing >glimpse into the vast amount of lunacy that resides in John's mind. Isn't it amazing? No doubt all those children in India, Nigeria, and so on who've contracted polio over the last couple of years first had their tonsils out. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) "David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message news:0at_d.22114 > Isn't it amazing? No doubt all those children in India, Nigeria, and > so on who've contracted polio over the last couple of years first had > their tonsils out. Try and keep up--bulbar polio is the iron lung polio >"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message news:0at_d.22114 > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Try and keep up--bulbar polio is the iron lung polio Poor children in Nigeria, India, etc, don't get iron lungs. They get coffins. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) >>"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote in message >>news:0at_d.22114 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Poor children in Nigeria, India, etc, don't get iron lungs. They get > coffins. Too many children in the US would get coffins if we still had polio, even with iron lungs. Jeff > -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net > These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. > "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants > were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) > Everyone once in a while, we are treated to yet another amazing > glimpse into the vast amount of lunacy that resides in John's mind. > > PF Going to own up? Pigs might fly! "Dr. R. V. Southcott (Med. Jour. .Aust. 1953. ii. 281) believes that a child whose tonsils were removed at the usual age of 5-7 yrs suffers trauma to the nerves of the pharynx which increases susceptibility to bulbar poliomyelitis for at least ten years. In an outbreak in South Australia in 1947-48 he found that in 35 out of 39 cases of bulbar poliomyelitis the patient had been tonsillectomised)."--M. Meadow Bayly, M.R.C.S., The iatrogenic part of it was that we caused thousands of cases of paralysis. We did not cause the polio, but we converted people who would have recovered from a viral illness into people with a paralytic illness. To this day, I don't think the medical profession has owned up to that problem that it caused in the Australian health community. > > Everyone once in a while, we are treated to yet another amazing > > glimpse into the vast amount of lunacy that resides in John's mind. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > found that in 35 out of 39 cases of bulbar poliomyelitis the patient had > been tonsillectomised)."--M. Meadow Bayly, M.R.C.S., Ummmm this "research" is 50-60 years old. And, not only that, there were 35 people who had tonsillectomies that also got polio - but what about all of the folks who had tonsillectomies and *never* got polio? Cathy Weeks (vaccinated and autism-free, and tonsillectomied, and iron-lung free) Mommy to Kivi Alexis 12/01 (vaccinated and autism-free) > > > Everyone once in a while, we are treated to yet another amazing > > > glimpse into the vast amount of lunacy that resides in John's mind. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > were 35 people who had tonsillectomies that also got polio - but what > about all of the folks who had tonsillectomies and *never* got polio? There was a great TV show many years ago called That Was The Week That Was, or TW3. TW3 had one segment which was called News of the Future. For John, anything that is <100 years old, IS news of the future. > Cathy Weeks (vaccinated and autism-free, and tonsillectomied, and > iron-lung free) > Mommy to Kivi Alexis 12/01 (vaccinated and autism-free) I always ask for the non-mercury vaccines. Ask to read the LABEL and look for the word "THIMEROSAL": That's _mercury_. Emma :) > I always ask for the non-mercury vaccines. > > Ask to read the LABEL and look for the word "THIMEROSAL": That's > _mercury_. No, it is a compound of mercury that is in the body as ethyl mercury. Ethyl mercury is rapidly cleared through feces. MSDS for Thimerosal: http://chemdat.merck.de/pls/pi03/web2.sear...imerosal&lang=4 Click the T+ right next to the poison skull and bones symbol and the warning reads: Hazard symbol: T+ = Very toxic Criteria: Inhalation, swallowing, or absorption through the skin in very small amounts can cause considerable damage to health, and may sometimes be lethal. In the event of serious evidence of severe, possibly irreversible damage to health by single, repeated, or prolonged absorption. Precaution: All contact with the human body must be avoided. If you feel unwell, seek medical advice immediately! --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ --- 2003 Thimerosal MSDS: Danger! Poison! May be fatal if inhaled, absorbed through skin or swallowed. Contains material which may cause damage to the following organs: kidneys, respiratory tract, skin, eyes, central nervous system. Section 8 - Exposure Controls: Personal Protection: Splash goggles, Full suit, Dust Respirator, Boots, Gloves, a self-contained breathing apparatus. Section 11 - Toxicology Information: Acute Oral Toxicity. Extremely hazardous in case of skin contact (permeator). May be fatal if absorbed. Extremely hazardous in case of inhalation. May be fatal if inhaled. Extremely hazardous in case of ingestion. May be fatal if swallowed. Danger of cumulative effects. http://www.setonresourcecenter.com/MSDS/EM...026/wcd026b4.pd f Would any of you like to have your pregnant wife injected with thimerosal??? What about your new infant??? Please STOP injecting thimerosal into pregnant women and infants!! >Everyone once in a while, we are treated to yet another amazing >glimpse into the vast amount of lunacy that resides in John's mind. Why attribute to lunacy that which can be explained by a simple vacuum? > >Everyone once in a while, we are treated to yet another amazing > >glimpse into the vast amount of lunacy that resides in John's mind. > > Why attribute to lunacy that which can be explained by a simple vacuum? Yeah, And it insults lunatics. > >And you allopaths caused iron lung polio > >by removing tonsils. Read some history books. > > Everyone once in a while, we are treated to yet another amazing > glimpse into the vast amount of lunacy that resides in John's mind. Apart from DDT you lot are the main cause of polio from injections http://www.whale.to/vaccines/polio1.html So, who is the lunatic??? >> >And you allopaths caused iron lung polio >> >by removing tonsils. Read some history books. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Apart from DDT you lot are the main cause of polio from injections > http://www.whale.to/vaccines/polio1.html You are such a hoot, John. If the injections are the main cause of polio, how come the rate of polio in ths US since the injections were started is close to 0, and is 0 now? The oral polio vaccine effectively eliminated polio from the western hemisphere, and the IPV (inactivated polio vaccine, the one that is injected), keeps polio out. And thanks for telling us about the whale site. It is so funny. No wonder the author doesn't put her name on it. I can't blame her. She clearly has no knowledge of science, vaccines or medicine. Again, thanks for the laugh. For accurate info, go to: http://www.who.int/vaccines/ http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/microsite/microsite.jsp?id=75918 http://www.cdc.gov/nip/ > So, who is the lunatic??? I will let the other readers come to their own conclusion. Jeff > "john" <nospamoridiotss@vaccine.con> wrote in message > And thanks for telling us about the whale site. It is so funny. No wonder > the author doesn't put her name on it. I can't blame her. She clearly has no > knowledge of science, vaccines or medicine. Again, thanks for the laugh. According to fellow NeT kOoK, Todd Gastaldo, John (nospamoridiotss@vaccine.con) runs whale.to See: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/b643968eb5d761dc His assertion (that John runs whale.to) was not verified or rejected by John... I can only assume that it's true... Otherwise John would've said so when I started pointing and laughing at him. I find it hilarious that John runs around Usenet quoting himself as an authority. Hey John - how many gunmen were there when Kennedy was assassinated? Did the moon landing take place? What's the story with Area 51? And should the tinfoil hat be shiny side out or shiny side in? I can never remember... Love & kisses, Amy And should the tinfoil hat be shiny side out or shiny side in? I can never remember... Always shiny side out. If john sees his reflection that means there's six more weeks of lunacy. Punxsutawney psycho. > > "john" <nospamoridiotss@vaccine.con> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > See: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/b643968eb5d761dc > His assertion (that John runs whale.to) was not verified or rejected by > John... I can only assume that it's true... Otherwise John would've [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > should the tinfoil hat be shiny side out or shiny side in? I can never > remember... Have you met Carol yet? If not...you are in for a treat. She makes John look like he has a two toe grip on reality. > Hey John - how many gunmen were there when Kennedy was assassinated? > Did the moon landing take place? What's the story with Area 51? And > should the tinfoil hat be shiny side out or shiny side in? I can never > remember... Word game. Do try and get yourself an argument one day www.Help!_I_Need_an_Argument.pharma >> >And you allopaths caused iron lung polio >> >by removing tonsils. Read some history books. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >So, who is the lunatic??? You, John, due to your amazing ability to conclude that polio is caused by two entirely different things. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT) > > >And you allopaths caused iron lung polio > > >by removing tonsils. Read some history books. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > So, who is the lunatic??? You are! For insistently quoting yourself!! If you're going to try to prove something, you have to have facts and evidence, your own paranoid rantings don't count! Again, if you were in college and you wrote a research paper, and the only source you cited was your own website, what sort of grade do you think you'd get? If you are going to quote yourself, then you need to provide documentation of your credentials. What year did you finish medical school, and from which institution did you matriculate? Oh, wait, you're a high school drop out? Huh, well thanks for playing, turkey. Amy > Again, if you were in college and you wrote a research paper, and the > only source you cited was your own website, what sort of grade do you > think you'd get? Moron. At least look at my website before you make such idiotic comments. Whale is a collection of research, and researchers. > If you are going to quote yourself, then you need to provide > documentation of your credentials. What year did you finish medical > school, and from which institution did you matriculate? Oh, wait, > you're a high school drop out? Huh, well thanks for playing, turke I never quote myself, idiot. I collect quotes and articles from others, but if you actually read my site you would know that. > > Again, if you were in college and you wrote a research paper, and the > > only source you cited was your own website, what sort of grade do you > > think you'd get? > > Moron. At least look at my website before you make such idiotic comments. > Whale is a collection of research, and researchers. Said collection being most appropriately referred to as an intellectual garbage dump. > > If you are going to quote yourself, then you need to provide > > documentation of your credentials. What year did you finish medical [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I never quote myself, idiot. I collect quotes and articles from others, but > if you actually read my site you would know that. Hmmm.John is name calling.... >> Again, if you were in college and you wrote a research paper, and the >> only source you cited was your own website, what sort of grade do you >> think you'd get? > >Moron. At least look at my website before you make such idiotic comments. >Whale is a collection of research, and researchers. Whale is a collection of ill-informed polemics, for the most part. >> If you are going to quote yourself, then you need to provide >> documentation of your credentials. What year did you finish medical [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I never quote myself, idiot. I collect quotes and articles from others, but >if you actually read my site you would know that. That's quite true. John is neither intelligent enough nor informed enough to write the swill that appears on his web site. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. 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