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Medical Forum / General / General / March 2005Illegal Aliens and American Medicine
http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf Illegal Aliens and American Medicine Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons ^ | Spring 2005 | Madeleine Pelner Cosman, Ph.D., Esq. The influx of illegal aliens has serious hidden medical consequences. We judge reality primarily by what we see. But what we do not see can be more dangerous, more expensive, and more deadly than what is seen. Illegal aliens stealthy assaults on medicine now must rouse Americans to alert and alarm. Even President Bush describes illegal aliens only as they are seen: strong physical laborers who work hard in undesirable jobs with low wages, who care for their families, and who pursue the American dream. What is unseen is their free medical care that has degraded and closed some of Americas finest emergency medical facilities, and caused hospital bankruptcies: 84 California hospitals are closing their doors. Anchor babies born to illegal aliens instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits and have caused enormous rises in Medicaid costs and stipends under Supplemental Security Income and Disability Income. What is seen is the illegal alien who with strong back may cough, sweat, and bleed, but is assumed healthy even though he and his illegal alien wife and children were never examined for contagious diseases. By default, we grant health passes to illegal aliens. Yet many illegal aliens harbor fatal diseases that American medicine fought and vanquished long ago, such as drug-resistant tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio, dengue, and Chagas disease. What is seen is the political statistic that 43 million lives are at risk in America because of lack of medical insurance. What is unseen is that medical insurance does not equal medical care. Uninsured people receive medical care in hospital emergency departments (EDs) under the coercive Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1985 (EMTALA), which obligates hospitals to treat the uninsured but does not pay for that care. <more at link> ------------------------------------- Fed up with illegal immigration? _____ http://www.saveourstate.org http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frostyA.htm http://www.americanpatrol.com/LINKS/LINKS.html http://www.vdare.com/links.htm http://www.stoptheinvasion.com/links/ _____ "Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor _____ "Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus (525BC-456BC), Agamemnon _____ "I wear no Burka." - Mother Nature ---------- To send mail: remove hutch > What is unseen is that medical insurance does not equal medical care. > Uninsured people receive medical care in hospital emergency and you have already claimed uninsured people must be illegal immigrants i wonder how a hospital decides which is which unless it demands a passport presented when receiving care arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed > > What is unseen is that medical insurance does not equal medical care. > > Uninsured people receive medical care in hospital emergency > > and you have already claimed uninsured people > must be illegal immigrants I am uninsured. I have no medical insurance. I do have the VA, at $50 copay per visit. I guess that's insurance, if you think so. I don't feel sick or feel the need to go see a doctor - but I should, go sooner, than later. I would go to a hospital ER, first, before I go to the VA. But enough of that. In the past 5 years, I have on a few occasions, taken my 75yo Mom, to the local ER, and I waited with her, until she was seen, by a doctor, treated, and released. It can take 6 to 8 hours for a walk-in patient to be seen and another 3 or 4, until they are released (that adds up to 9 to 12 hours). On every visit, to the ER admitting room, it was packed with Hispanics and their children crying, coughing and hacking. Now I'll make no judgement as to immigration status, just state there were very few white people, in the admitting room. I will say that you can stop by your local ER and count heads, any time you feel like it, and get an idea of the local situation for yourself. On one occasion, I took Mom to the San Bernardino, CA County Hospital. That was a nightmare. There must have been a few thousand patients there, for the free medical care. A perfect environment for spreading disease. Oh yeah, Mom got smart, real quick, now she calls 911 for a free ride to the ER, and they take her right on in. Five most dangerous words: Maybe it will get better. :/ > and their children crying, coughing and hacking. Now I'll make no > judgement as to immigration status, just state there were very few if youre not making judgments why mention it at all? arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >> and their children crying, coughing and hacking. Now I'll make no >> judgement as to immigration status, just state there were very few [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed >but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed Because fuckwad, it's 'HIS' country, NOT the illegal aliens country. Hal pays taxes so that hospital will be there for HIM and HIS and for other TAX PAYING American citizens and LEGAL alien guests. Untill the hospital start charging a $20 door fee to illegals just to get in the door, Hal has every right to bitch. You are a kanook, don't live in the U.S. and have no say in this matter, so STFU !! n. > >> and their children crying, coughing and hacking. Now I'll make no > >> judgement as to immigration status, just state there were very few [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Hal pays taxes so that hospital will be there for HIM and HIS and for > other TAX PAYING American citizens and LEGAL alien guests. how does a hospital know the citizenship of people in the emergency room? does it demand to see passparts? > Untill the hospital start charging a $20 door fee to illegals just to how does it decide who to charge? arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >> >> and their children crying, coughing and hacking. Now I'll make no >> >> judgement as to immigration status, just state there were very few [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >how does a hospital know the citizenship of people in the emergency room? >does it demand to see passparts? No passports, just ask them a question or two in english, if they can answer then no further hassle, however if the person in question cannot speak englis, then demand to see their ID or green card. >> Untill the hospital start charging a $20 door fee to illegals just to > >how does it decide who to charge? see above. >arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together > >the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed >but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed > >how does a hospital know the citizenship of people in the emergency room? > >does it demand to see passparts? > > No passports, just ask them a question or two in english, if they can > answer then no further hassle, however if the person in question > cannot speak englis, then demand to see their ID or green card. so no american citizen speaks spanish? what happens if they have no id? which classes of american citizens are presumed noncitizens until they can prove otherwise? arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >> >how does a hospital know the citizenship of people in the emergency >> >room? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > which classes of american citizens are presumed noncitizens > until they can prove otherwise? Without a doubt you would categorized as an alien, no matter how much ID you produced. If they didn't figure it out from your speech impediment imitation of household pets, they would figure it out when they carved you up and started finding out of this world organs in your body. Guaranteed if they didn't keep your body parts for scientific study, they would at the least throw a net over your a.s and introduce you to your new home with padded walls. > arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together > > the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed > but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed > >> >how does a hospital know the citizenship of people in the emergency > >> >room? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Without a doubt you would categorized as an alien, no matter how much ID you > produced. If they didn't figure it out from your speech impediment another win arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >> >how does a hospital know the citizenship of people in the emergency >> >room? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > so no american citizen speaks spanish? and only american speak english? Don't Forget that the biggest english speaking country is india. And canada, england, and other countries also have English as their lanquage. Jeff > what happens if they have no id? > which classes of american citizens are presumed noncitizens [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed > but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >>> >how does a hospital know the citizenship of people in the emergency >>> >room? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Jeff People from India, Endland and even Canada are not FLOODING over the border, however Mexicans are FLOODING over the border and 90+% of them CANNOT speak ANY english. Please dude, get real !! n. > >>> >how does a hospital know the citizenship of people in the emergency > >>> >room? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > border, however Mexicans are FLOODING over the border and 90+% of them > CANNOT speak ANY english. so anybody who does not speak english is an undocumented alien? arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >> >>> >how does a hospital know the citizenship of people in the emergency >> >>> >room? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > so anybody who does not speak english is an undocumented alien? Either that, or a tourist or someone incredibly stupid. > arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together > > the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed > but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed > > so anybody who does not speak english is an undocumented alien? > > Either that, or a tourist or someone incredibly stupid. ding ding ding we have a winner see how much easier it is when you are one with your racism no more speaking in circles but coming out straight and bold and be proud of your bigotry now are rest of you players who insist you know who is undocumented aliens just be looking at them going to be one with your racism as well? or do you want to continue this dance around the truth? by the way there are communities in california arizon new mexico and texas which have had generations of native spanish speaking citizens and of course the us commonwealth of puerto rico is chock full of native spanish speaking citizens arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >> >>> >how does a hospital know the citizenship of people in the emergency >> >>> >room? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >so anybody who does not speak english is an undocumented alien? Your burka on too tight in the islamic republic of Canada? Or do you just enjoy asking rhetorical questions? -- Keith >arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together > >the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed >but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed ------------------------------------- Fed up with illegal immigration? _____ http://www.saveourstate.org http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frostyA.htm http://www.americanpatrol.com/LINKS/LINKS.html http://www.vdare.com/links.htm http://www.stoptheinvasion.com/links/ _____ "Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor _____ "Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus (525BC-456BC), Agamemnon _____ "I wear no Burka." - Mother Nature ---------- To send mail: remove hutch > >> >>> >how does a hospital know the citizenship of people in the emergency > >> >>> >room? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Your burka on too tight in the islamic republic of Canada? Or do you > just enjoy asking rhetorical questions? why are you hesitant to answer? ive got a chorus a people telling me how it easy to identify undocumented aliens why one even claimed they could identify them a hundred at a time just going past a construction site so what is the secret? what is the objective criteria used to decide what a person citizenship and residency are just be looking at them? why dont you want to share this insight with rest of us? dont you think it would help ins if they could just drive down the street and who to arrest or not by just a simple glance? arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >>> >>> >how does a hospital know the citizenship of people in the emergency >>> >>> >room? [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > -- > Keith Alpo thinks it makes him look smart to ask nonsensical questions and respond with rhetorical nonsense. >>> >how does a hospital know the citizenship of people in the emergency >>> >room? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Jeff English is the official language of India only because they have so many languages and dialects that no one could conduct government or business otherwise. >> what happens if they have no id? >> which classes of american citizens are presumed noncitizens [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed >> but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >> >how does a hospital know the citizenship of people in the emergency room? >> >does it demand to see passparts? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >so no american citizen speaks spanish? Sure they do. But few American Citizens cannot speak English. Visit any ER and ask for directions to the bathroom.... Gunner >what happens if they have no id? >which classes of american citizens are presumed noncitizens [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed >but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed "[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group, they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the competing factions of Islamic fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core, and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr > >> >how does a hospital know the citizenship of people in the emergency room? > >> >does it demand to see passparts? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Sure they do. But few American Citizens cannot speak English. Visit > any ER and ask for directions to the bathroom.... been there done that however few they may be they do tend to clump up and in some communities native citizens and permanent residents are expected to conduct their business in other languages are all such citizens assumed to be noncitizens with the burden of proof on them? besides language spoken what other criteria are you allowed to use to force the burden of proof on the individual accused of being a noncitizen? race? color? creed? country of origin? previous state of servitude? arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >> >> >how does a hospital know the citizenship of people in the emergency room? >> >> >does it demand to see passparts? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >been there done that Liar, no have not BTDT, You do not have illegal Mexican aliens flooding into your part of Canada dumbass. n. > >been there done that > > Liar, no have not BTDT, You do not have illegal Mexican aliens > flooding into your part of Canada dumbass. in which part of canada would you find valley med stanford kaiser and oconnnor? you walked into another semantic minefield i never said i lived in canada you just assumed i did (and i know im letting you know youre assumptions are wrong) i have elsewheres already stated the city county and state i live in so who is lying? arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >> >> >how does a hospital know the citizenship of people in the emergency >> >> >room? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > and in some communities native citizens and permanent residents > are expected to conduct their business in other languages That must be one of your flaky Canook laws. Aliens are not expected to conduct business in any language but English in the United States. > are all such citizens assumed to be noncitizens > with the burden of proof on them? Your attempts at spin are getting you into waters too deep to tread, Alpo. Naturalized citizens are required to be able to speak English or they cannot get citizenship. Yes, the burden of proof is always on the alien who cannot speak English and the smart ones carry their passport with them. > besides language spoken what other criteria are you allowed to use > to force the burden of proof on the individual accused of being a > noncitizen? > > race? color? creed? country of origin? previous state of servitude? They either have walking around papers or they don't, no matter what race, creed, or nationality they are. If they don't have walking around papers on their person, they can be taken into custody. And as badly as you would like for the United States to do so, slavery is not legal and if there is any indication of servitude either of the alien in question or of them holding another in servitude, they will be taken into custody and charged with a crime. Your owners didn't feed you enough dog biscuits when you were young, did they? > They either have walking around papers or they don't, no matter what race, > creed, or nationality they are. If they don't have walking around papers on > their person, they can be taken into custody. so youre saying its okay for ins to walk about to anyone in the street and demand to see their papers? and arrest anyone who does not have them? arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >> They either have walking around papers or they don't, no matter what >> race, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and demand to see their papers? > and arrest anyone who does not have them? Hey, Alpo, we can continue our conversation and I will answer your questions when you answer the one I posed to you. Was it wrong for the "previous tenants" to fight to the death defending their homelands against unwelcome intrusions? > >> They either have walking around papers or they don't, no matter what > >> race, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Was it wrong for the "previous tenants" to fight to the death defending > their homelands against unwelcome intrusions? gotcha ding arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed "mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:mair_fheal- Alpo refuses to answer questions about concepts he introduces into the conversation, so he deserves no response to his questions or comments. Was it wrong for the "previous tenants" to fight to the death defending their homeland? Its a real simple question, racist Alpo. Are you afraid your bigotry will shine like a beacon if you give an honest answer? I thought so. > "mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" > <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:mair_fheal- [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Its a real simple question, racist Alpo. Are you afraid your bigotry will > shine like a beacon if you give an honest answer? I thought so. I can tell you what his answer is. It is No, they weren't wrong, because they were fighting White men. The only person I have filtered out is Your Special Friend, but this stupid a.shole has to go. arf  Signaturenews:alt.politics.immigration > > "mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" > > <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:mair_fheal- [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I can tell you what his answer is. It is No, they weren't wrong, > because they were fighting White men. are you saying -white men- should have a privileged position? arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed "mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:mair_fheal- Alpo refuses to answer questions about concepts he introduces into the conversation, so he deserves no response to his questions or comments. Was it wrong for the "previous tenants" to fight to the death defending their homeland? Its a real simple question, racist Alpo. Are you afraid your bigotry will shine like a beacon if you give an honest answer? I thought so. >> "mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" >> <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:mair_fheal- [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >arf You are right Johnny. I filtered the a.shole because he is so ignorant and sometimes just posts crazy posts. GQ >> >> >how does a hospital know the citizenship of people in the emergency room? >> >> >does it demand to see passparts? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >are all such citizens assumed to be noncitizens >with the burden of proof on them? Yes, when they apply for public assistance such as MedicAid (MediCal in California). >besides language spoken what other criteria are you allowed to use >to force the burden of proof on the individual accused of being a noncitizen? For public assistance their birth certificates. Sue >race? color? creed? country of origin? previous state of servitude? > >arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together > >the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed >but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >>> >how does a hospital know the citizenship of people in the emergency >>> >room? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Sure they do. But few American Citizens cannot speak English. Visit > any ER and ask for directions to the bathroom.... Yeah, I am sure that there are many Americans from Peurto Rico who don't speak English. Jeff > Gunner > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core, > and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr >> Sure they do. But few American Citizens cannot speak English. Visit >> any ER and ask for directions to the bathroom.... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Jeff Cites? Gunner Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. H. L. Mencken There are over 1,000,000 people living in households in the states in which no one in the household speaks english well. A lot of these people are probably US citizens. In 1990, only 1/2 the population of Puerto Rico spoke English: http://home.earthlink.net/~apousada/id1.html http://welcome.topuertorico.org/descrip.shtml So a large portion of Puerto Ricans don't speak English. And they are American Citizens. Jeff >>> Sure they do. But few American Citizens cannot speak English. Visit >>> any ER and ask for directions to the bathroom.... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > the black flag, and begin slitting throats. > H. L. Mencken >There are over 1,000,000 people living in households in the states in which >no one in the household speaks english well. A lot of these people are [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Jeff And they are using California Emergency Rooms? As I asked, cites? Gunner >>>> Sure they do. But few American Citizens cannot speak English. Visit >>>> any ER and ask for directions to the bathroom.... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> the black flag, and begin slitting throats. >> H. L. Mencken Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. H. L. Mencken >>There are over 1,000,000 people living in households in the states in >>which [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > And they are using California Emergency Rooms? I never claimed they were. > As I asked, cites? You have them. You are welcome to dig through the 2000 census figures as well. Unfortunately, the census figures talked about the primary lanquage used in a household is, not whether people also could speak English. Perhaps you can find evidence that every citizen of Puerto Rico speaks English Jeff. > Gunner > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > the black flag, and begin slitting throats. > H. L. Mencken >>>So a large portion of Puerto Ricans don't speak English. And they are >>>American Citizens. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Jeff. THen you and that shitforbrains arf arf are not claiming that the vast majority of people using the ER services in not only California, but the US in general are from Puerto Rico? If you are not..then why on gods green earth did you two fuckwits bring them into the thread? Other than obfuscation of course. Thats the key isnt it? You two shitheads are willing to make any attempt to obfuscate the issue of illegal aliens breaking down the medical services in the US. You really should be ashamed of yourself. Gunner Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. H. L. Mencken > If you are not..then why on gods green earth did you two fuckwits > bring them into the thread? Other than obfuscation of course. obfuscation? are you or are you not claiming people who dont speak english are illegal immigrants? you like to spin around alluding to this but you never come out and say outright i wonder why? are you ashamed? arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed "mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:mair_fheal- Alpo refuses to answer questions about concepts he introduces into the conversation, so he deserves no response to his questions or comments. Was it wrong for the "previous tenants" to fight to the death defending their homeland? Its a real simple question, racist Alpo. Are you afraid your bigotry will shine like a beacon if you give an honest answer? I thought so. > "mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" > <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:mair_fheal- [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Its a real simple question, racist Alpo. Are you afraid your bigotry will > shine like a beacon if you give an honest answer? I thought so. Ohhh...are you and the rest of the pig slop that thinks like you going to be fighting to the death next month in Arizona? I hope so. Your collective demise can only improve the gene pool. An old college friend who live in southern Arizona, a herpetologist of all occupations, has promised to keep half an eye open to your misdeeds. And no, he cannot treat your facial eruptions. He's a zoologist, not an expert in herpes. He might be able to help your buddy GQ, though, as his specialty is venomous reptiles. >> "mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" >> <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:mair_fheal- [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >expert in herpes. He might be able to help your buddy GQ, though, as his >specialty is venomous reptiles. Maybe he can keep an eye out on all the habitats being destroyed by the illegal invasion. -- Keith ------------------------------------- Fed up with illegal immigration? _____ http://www.saveourstate.org http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frostyA.htm http://www.americanpatrol.com/LINKS/LINKS.html http://www.vdare.com/links.htm http://www.stoptheinvasion.com/links/ _____ "Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor _____ "Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus (525BC-456BC), Agamemnon _____ "I wear no Burka." - Mother Nature ---------- To send mail: remove hutch > Ohhh...are you and the rest of the pig slop that thinks like you going to > be fighting to the death next month in Arizona? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > expert in herpes. He might be able to help your buddy GQ, though, as his > specialty is venomous reptiles. And the worthless racist KKKooky KKKrause chimes in with ineffectual screeches and squaks. We will have to strap a dildo around his a.s so his wife will play with him. I guess he lost the pork chop we tied around his neck so his dog would love him. How is your project to aid border crossers going, KKKooky KKKrause? Are you still letting old ladies and school girls have more impact than your worthless racist a.s? >>Ohhh...are you and the rest of the pig slop that thinks like you going to >>be fighting to the death next month in Arizona? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I guess he lost the pork chop we tied around his neck so his dog would love > him. Wow...you're into sex play, too. That must be a nightmare. Hey, I wish you the worst of luck. If you were serious about doing something about illegal immigration, you'd be working through the political system, not the racist network. >>>Ohhh...are you and the rest of the pig slop that thinks like you going to >>>be fighting to the death next month in Arizona? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >something about illegal immigration, you'd be working through the >political system, not the racist network. In other words, you have no argument but cartoony race baiting. That's why your kind is going to lose and the illegals deported. -- Keith ------------------------------------- Fed up with illegal immigration? _____ http://www.saveourstate.org http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frostyA.htm http://www.americanpatrol.com/LINKS/LINKS.html http://www.vdare.com/links.htm http://www.stoptheinvasion.com/links/ _____ "Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the death of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor _____ "Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus (525BC-456BC), Agamemnon _____ "I wear no Burka." - Mother Nature ---------- To send mail: remove hutch >>>>Ohhh...are you and the rest of the pig slop that thinks like you going to >>>>be fighting to the death next month in Arizona? [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > -- > Keith In other words, Keith, your brain isn't working. I don't see any good coming from a rabble-rouser pack of racist sadsacks chasing hapless Mexicans on the US-Mexico border. And that's what these people are. You can read it in their posts. They are full of venom, hatred, and bad tempers, and they will cause deaths. >> In other words, you have no argument but cartoony race baiting. >> That's why your kind is going to lose and the illegals deported. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >these people are. You can read it in their posts. They are full of >venom, hatred, and bad tempers, and they will cause deaths. It's fairly simple, Buckwheat. Wetbacks and other scum can avoid all possible trouble by simply not sneaking into the country. See how easy that is, a.shole? ----------------------- \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Illegal Immigration is a Crime Each year the Border Patrol is making more than a million apprehensions of persons who flagrantly violate our nation's laws by unlawfully crossing U.S. borders to work and to receive public assistance, usually with the aid of fraudulent documents. Such entry is a misdemeanor, and if repeated becomes punishable as a felony. Over four million illegal immigrants live in the United States--some estimate over five million--and, this does not include the nearly three million aliens amnestied under the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. BORDER PATROL: NECESSARY BUT NOT SUFFICIENT The problems along the southern border are severe, yet manageable. However, simply stacking Border Patrol agents at the border is only a partial solution. Illegal immigration cannot be controlled solely at the border. About half of the illegal alien population is comprised of visa overstayers--people who entered the country legally, but became illegal aliens by their failure to leave the U.S. upon expiration of their visa. Once entry occurs, there is little chance of detection and virtually no chance of deportation, except for convicted criminals. WHAT CAN WE DO? "TEN STEPS TO ENDING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION" We need a comprehensive program, as set out in FAIR's publication Ten Steps to Controlling Illegal Immigration. Curtailing unlawful migration means ensuring that persons who enter illegally or overstay their lawful status will not be able to obtain employment, public assistance benefits, public education, public housing, or any other social benefit without detection. The three major components of immigration control--deterrence, apprehension and removal-- need to be strengthened by Congress and the Executive Branch if effective control is ever to be reestablished. Controlling illegal immigration requires a balanced approach with a full range of enforcement improvements that go far beyond the border. These include many procedural reforms, beefed up investigation capacity, asylum reform, documents improvements, major improvements in INS detention and deportation procedures, limitations on judicial review, improved intelligence capacity, much better state/federal cooperation and added resources. WHAT ABOUT THE COSTS? As the saying goes, "There is no free lunch." Effective control and management of the laws against illegal immigration require adequate resources. But, the costs will be more than offset by savings to states, counties, communities, and school districts across the nation. http://www.fairus.org/html/04113604.htm //////////////////////// >>>Ohhh...are you and the rest of the pig slop that thinks like you going to >>>be fighting to the death next month in Arizona? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Wow...you're into sex play, too. That must be a nightmare. Yeah, famous last words from your wife on her wedding night. > Hey, I wish you the worst of luck. If you were serious about doing > something about illegal immigration, you'd be working through the > political system, not the racist network. Poor, ineffectual, cowardly, racist KKKooky KKKrause. Working within the political system is only one of the many ways I contribute to effecting changes in our relationship with Mexico. I guess it just breaks your heart that fat old ladies and school girls are having more of an impact both on the ground and in the political arena than your worthless racist a.s could come up with in a lifetime. RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF HB 327 RELATING TO MATRICULA CONSULAR ID RPT Platform on Illegal Immigration Paragraph 5 (p. 22) Submitted by Shirley Spellerberg, SREC SD12 Member of SREC Resolutions Committee WHEREAS, the Republican Party of Texas platform plank entitled 'Illegal Immigration', paragraph 5 calls for 'the rejection of non-verifiable foreign-issued cards, such as matricula consular as valid identification for official documentation purposes, and, WHEREAS, HB 327 amends the Texas Transportation Code to state that 'the department may not accept, recognize, or rely on an identity document issued to an applicant by a consular office or consular official of another country, including a matricula consular card issued by a consular office of the United Mexican States located in this country, as primary, secondary, or supporting proof of the applicant's identity' and further prohibits any agency or political subdivision from accepting, recognizing or relying upon matricula consular as satisfactory proof of identity for applicants for a driver's license or for certain public benefits, public services, or governmental employment, and, WHEREAS, driver's licenses are commonly used for the boarding of commercial aircraft and the 19 hijackers who attacked the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, had multiple illegal driver's licenses among them, now therefore, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF TEXAS that we urge members of the Texas House and Senate to approve HB327 prohibiting Matricula Consular cards as being recognized or accepted as primary, secondary, or supporting proof of the applicant's identity for the issuance of a driver's license, receipt of public benefits or services, or government employment, and, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that all Republican members of the Texas House and Senate, Governor Perry and Lt. Governor Dewhurst be sent a copy of this resolution. PASSED AND APPROVED this 12th day of March, 2005. >>>>So a large portion of Puerto Ricans don't speak English. And they are >>>>American Citizens. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > majority of people using the ER services in not only California, but > the US in general are from Puerto Rico? I did not see anyone say that the majority of people using the ERs in California are not American citizens. Someone said that all Americans speak English. I was pointing out that not all Americans speak English. That is all. (...) Jeff >>>>>So a large portion of Puerto Ricans don't speak English. And they are >>>>>American Citizens. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Jeff All real Americans do. (...) >> I did not see anyone say that the majority of people using the ERs in >> California are not American citizens. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > All real Americans do. The citizens of Puerto Rico *ARE* real americans. Jeff > (...) > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Jeff In name only. And only because of outdated geographical strategic location. Otherwise, they are just another Hispanic sh.t hole. > Otherwise, they are just another Hispanic sh.t hole. it took long enough but you finally expressed yourself honestly we got ourselves another self identified racist arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >> Otherwise, they are just another Hispanic sh.t hole. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed >but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed C'mon, tell us. What the f.ck is a "mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges?" > On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:04:27 -0800, mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten > tomys des anges [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > C'mon, tell us. What the f.ck is a "mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten > tomys des anges?" It is a bigoted racist imitating a can of dog food. "mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:mair_fheal- Alpo refuses to answer questions about concepts he introduces into the conversation, so he deserves no response to his questions or comments. Was it wrong for the "previous tenants" to fight to the death defending their homeland? Its a real simple question, racist Alpo. Are you afraid your bigotry will shine like a beacon if you give an honest answer? I thought so. > There are over 1,000,000 people living in households in the states in > which no one in the household speaks english well. A lot of these people > are probably US citizens. > > In 1990, only 1/2 the population of Puerto Rico spoke English: > http://home.earthlink.net/~apousada/id1.html No, this shows that very few Puerto Ricans speak English as well as they speak Spanish, which is natural since Puerto Rico is a Spanish speaking jurisdiction. All the study really says is that nearly every person there has better Spanish than English and that the fact that it is a US Commonwealth has not increased significantly the use of English. Figures as to "spaking English" are vague as the implication is that such persons are reasonable bilingual. How bilin gual is "bilingual?" Most sources in PR say that about 30% of Puerto Ricans, which is the percentage which has attended private or catholic schools, is fairly bilingual. The rest of the populaiton knows at least a little English. > http://welcome.topuertorico.org/descrip.shtml This is a vanity site done by a Puerto Rican living in the US. Her figures on a number of items do not agree with reality. The fact is that most Puerto Ricans don't speak english as well as Spanish, but around a third are fully bilingual, and the rest have some English, even if that means just a basic vocabulary to read labels, instruction manuals, etc (manuals, labels and such in PR are domestic US labeling... in English). > So a large portion of Puerto Ricans don't speak English. And they are > American Citizens. A significant portion don't speak English well. Nearly everyone has at least a limited vocabulary. >> There are over 1,000,000 people living in households in the states in >> which no one in the household speaks english well. A lot of these people [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > A significant portion don't speak English well. Nearly everyone has at > least a limited vocabulary. Cites, please. >> A significant portion don't speak English well. Nearly everyone has at >> least a limited vocabulary. > > Cites, please. The statistics division of Fomento Econ?mico has a lot of data on the language skills of the workforce, and I thinks some is done in English. I do not think they have the data online, but it can be reviewed at their offices in the Centro Minillas, Stop 21, in Santurce. The There have been a lot of local studies done, most proprietary. The most significant is the one done 2 years ago by the cable TV industry to determine what channels to carry (English channels outnumber Spanish ones by about 10 to one on cable) where they wanted to know if the degree of understanding English had an impact on the type of cable offerings they should put in the basic tiers. In a Partido Nuevo Progesista study on attitudes towards statehood, these were the results: ---------------- VIEW OF COMMONWEALTH STATUS The view of the continuance of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico is the most popular position with 69.4% of US Puerto Ricans support. Voters cast a 48.6% decision in favor of remaining a commonwealth of the United States. Of the commonwealth proponents 71.4% are first generation Americans, 24% are second generation, and 4.5% are third generation. The political ideologies of commonwealth proponents are 27% liberal, 26.5% moderate, and 46.5 conservative. The language ability is as follows: Only English 2%, better in English 26.3%, no difference 25.5%, better in Spanish 38.1% and only in Spanish 8.1% . ------------------ Note that only 8% were considered only Spanish speaking. However, in fact, there is practically no one in PR who does not know how to do some basic communication in English, and who does not watch some English TV and who does not buy products with labels in English. >>> A significant portion don't speak English well. Nearly everyone has at >>> least a limited vocabulary. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > better in English 26.3%, no difference 25.5%, better in Spanish 38.1% and > only in Spanish 8.1% . There are more than 3,000,000 people in PR. 3,000,000 x 8% = 240,000. Thanks. There are a lot of Americans who do NOT speak English. Jeff > ------------------ > > Note that only 8% were considered only Spanish speaking. However, in fact, > there is practically no one in PR who does not know how to do some basic > communication in English, and who does not watch some English TV and who > does not buy products with labels in English. >>>> A significant portion don't speak English well. Nearly everyone has at >>>> least a limited vocabulary. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > There are more than 3,000,000 people in PR. 3,000,000 x 8% = 240,000. There are 4 million. 3.1 million are over age 12. Actually, I only posted the figures for the pro-statehood parth. The non-English PDP members are 3.4%, so the average is around 5.5% non-English speaking. Or some 150,000 over the age of 12. > Thanks. > > There are a lot of Americans who do NOT speak English. Not really, in my opinion. There are a few in PR, which is a colonial territory which has a certain resistance to changing its culture, just as much because it is an island as because it is fundamentally Hispanic. Immigrants who become citizens must pass a minimal English proficiency test, and most nearly all those born here are English speaking. >There are more than 3,000,000 people in PR. 3,000,000 x 8% = 240,000. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Jeff Then they need to have their citizenship pulled. Puerto Rico should be turned into a fishing reef. It would be much more useful, don't you think? >>>> A significant portion don't speak English well. Nearly everyone has at >>>> least a limited vocabulary. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >Jeff The population of the United States is right at 300,000,000 240,000 is hardly "a lot" Gunner >> ------------------ >> >> Note that only 8% were considered only Spanish speaking. However, in fact, >> there is practically no one in PR who does not know how to do some basic >> communication in English, and who does not watch some English TV and who >> does not buy products with labels in English. Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. H. L. Mencken > "Gunner" <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yeah, I am sure that there are many Americans from Peurto Rico who don't > speak English. Pretty much all Puerto Ricans speak some English... about 30% enough to be considered bilingual, and the rest in decreasing degrees. It's rare to find a Puerto Rican that can not speak a bit of English. >> >how does a hospital know the citizenship of people in the emergency room? >> >does it demand to see passparts? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > so no american citizen speaks spanish? Wrong question, genius. No American citizen doesn't speak English. > what happens if they have no id? > which classes of american citizens are presumed noncitizens > until they can prove otherwise? Thsoe who don't speak English should be highly suspect, don't you think? > >> No passports, just ask them a question or two in english, if they can > >> answer then no further hassle, however if the person in question [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Thsoe who don't speak English should be highly suspect, > don't you think? see how easy it is to answer the question when youre upfront about your racism arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed "mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges" <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:mair_fheal- Alpo refuses to answer questions about concepts he introduces into the conversation, so he deserves no response to his questions or comments. Was it wrong for the "previous tenants" to fight to the death defending their homeland? Its a real simple question, racist Alpo. Are you afraid your bigotry will shine like a beacon if you give an honest answer? I thought so. >> >> No passports, just ask them a question or two in english, if they can >> >> answer then no further hassle, however if the person in question [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > see how easy it is to answer the question > when youre upfront about your racism Is that your way of claiming that Americans don't speak English? > >> >> No passports, just ask them a question or two in english, if they can > >> >> answer then no further hassle, however if the person in question [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Is that your way of claiming that Americans don't speak English? ah yes the old charge into the ambush ploy after youve already sawn off your legs by yourself im not the one spamming into a half dozen groups whining about mexico and immigrants and laws you want changed and laws you dont want changed and money you want spent and taxes you dont want to pay youre the whiner demanding things be changed not me so its up to you the justify why rest of us should give a darn about whatever it is that put a burr up your rectum all youve done so far is spew a nauseating load of racist hatred color me unimpressed arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >all youve done so far is spew a nauseating load of racist hatred > >color me unimpressed You need to be colored 'shark food'. > On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:25:13 -0800, mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten > tomys des anges [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You need to be colored 'shark food'. another death threat thanks arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:25:13 -0800, mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten >> tomys des anges [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >thanks Only for a few tasteless sharks :-D Don't fret...... sharks reject fetid turds, so you're safe, Frenchy. ----------------------- \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ George W. Bush (Vicente's bitch) is so pro-Mexican that if you hit him with a stick, prizes would fall out of him. He needs to be impeached. //////////////////////// Alpo refuses to answer questions about concepts he introduces into the conversation, so he deserves no response to his questions or comments. Was it wrong for the "previous tenants" to fight to the death defending their homeland? Its a real simple question, racist Alpo. Are you afraid your bigotry will shine like a beacon if you give an honest answer? I thought so. >> >> >> No passports, just ask them a question or two in english, if they can >> >> >> answer then no further hassle, however if the person in question [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > ah yes My guess is that your dream world is populated by even more elaborate fantasies. Scary. > the old charge into the ambush ploy > after youve already sawn off your legs by yourself Muttering to yourself, again? > im not the one spamming into a half dozen groups > whining about mexico and immigrants and laws you want changed > and laws you dont want changed > and money you want spent and taxes you dont want to pay I'm not so much opposed to paying taxes as I'm firmly opposed to paying taxes to support millions of parasitic Mexican colonists. > youre the whiner demanding things be changed Actually, I'm interested in immigration law being enforced. > not me Right. You're interested in seeing this country further ruined by massive Mexican immigration. > so its up to you the justify why rest of us should give a darn > about whatever it is that put a burr up your rectum You Mexicans are fixated on rectums, aren't you. Then again, the rectum seems to be the source of most things Mexican, so it wouldn't be too surprising if you Mexicans actually worshipped the rectum. Though from what I've heard, many of you do. > all youve done so far is spew a nauseating load of racist hatred So pointing out the fact that Americans speak English is a "load of racist hatred?" I see. By the way, what do you have against the US and against Americans that you want to see this country ruined by millions of colonizing Mexican parasites? > color me unimpressed Color yourself. I prefer to keep my distance. > Right. You're interested in seeing this country further > ruined by massive Mexican immigration. define -ruined- > You Mexicans are fixated on rectums, aren't you. Then i thought i was supposed to be french or canadian or something arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed I didn't know dog food had a nationality. Alpo refuses to answer questions about concepts he introduces into the conversation, so he deserves no response to his questions or comments. Was it wrong for the "previous tenants" to fight to the death defending their homeland? Its a real simple question, racist Alpo. Are you afraid your bigotry will shine like a beacon if you give an honest answer? I thought so. hmmmmmmmm it appears to be in a chronic hysterious loop > I didn't know dog food had a nationality. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Its a real simple question, racist Alpo. Are you afraid your bigotry will > shine like a beacon if you give an honest answer? I thought so. arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >hmmmmmmmm > >it appears to be in a chronic hysterious loop Looks more like a chronic Hysteria Loop from over here I've noticed, along with many others, that you ignore ( don't answer ) the hard questions posed to you. Perhaps THAT explains why this thread is going nowhere. Lg >> I didn't know dog food had a nationality. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed >but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed > >hmmmmmmmm > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the hard questions posed to you. Perhaps THAT explains why this > thread is going nowhere. its an old game once you realize youre pushing an untenable position instead of dealing with that you try to shift the focus for your own failure and put the antagonist on the defensive im not the one demanding a change in the law or law enforcement you want change its up to you justify the change all ive seen so far is paranoid racist fantasies why dont -you- examine your own arguments instead expecting rest of the world to do it for you arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >> >hmmmmmmmm >> > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >why dont -you- examine your own arguments >instead expecting rest of the world to do it for you My argument hardly needs further examination. it that INS should follow the Mandates of Law it has been presented with, in regards to all people living inside the borders of the USA. That the current Administration refuses to provide resources so that these laws can be enforced says everything about our Leadership. They are criminals for aiding and abetting illegal activities. Lg >arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together > >the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed >but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed > >> >hmmmmmmmm > >> > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > That the current Administration refuses to provide resources so that > these laws can be enforced says everything about our Leadership. so are you willing to increase taxes to pay for all this? arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >so are you willing to increase taxes to pay for all this? hell no. Just get the < expletive deleted > out of Iraq, and spend that money here at home where it is needed most. Let somebody =else= rebuild Iraqi infrastructure, using Iraqi oil for the funding. Lg > >so are you willing to increase taxes to pay for all this? > > hell no. > Just get the < expletive deleted > out of Iraq, and spend that money > here at home where it is needed most. Let somebody =else= rebuild > Iraqi infrastructure, using Iraqi oil for the funding. there was deficit before iraq because taxes were cut beyond what is being spent in peacetime arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >> >so are you willing to increase taxes to pay for all this? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >there was deficit before iraq >because taxes were cut beyond what is being spent in peacetime It seems to me that GWB & Co. are doing their very best to destroy America as you and I have come to know it. They are "The Enemy Within." Anybody who is in position of leadership must put AMERICA FIRST. Everybody and everything else is optional. You feed your =own= family FIRST, before you worry about illegals and foreigners getting a free meal ticket. Lg >arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together > >the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed >but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed > >> >so are you willing to increase taxes to pay for all this? > >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > America as you and I have come to know it. They are "The Enemy > Within." diversion noted you want to spend more than collected in taxes faced with that hypocrisy you divert the subject arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed >> >> >so are you willing to increase taxes to pay for all this? >> >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > diversion noted So says bigoted, racist Alpo, wanna be master of deception and diversion. Alpo refuses to answer questions about concepts he introduces into the conversation, so he deserves no response to his questions or comments. Was it wrong for the "previous tenants" to fight to the death defending their homeland? Its a real simple question, racist Alpo. Are you afraid your bigotry will shine like a beacon if you give an honest answer? I thought so. >> >> >so are you willing to increase taxes to pay for all this? >> >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >you want to spend more than collected in taxes >faced with that hypocrisy you divert the subject You Jackass, you know exactly what I mean and it is you that is trying to throw up a smoke screen. Get the ILLEGALS OUT OF THE COUNTRY. DO IT NOW There will be no extra taxation required when these blood suckers are gone. The money spent on them NOW CAN BE SPENT ON AMERICAN CITIZENS INSTEAD. Get of IRAQ now. The money spent over there NOW CAN BE SPENT ON AMERICAN CITIZENS INSTEAD. You're really trying the best you can to crawl into my killfile, aren't you. I don't usually waste time with the mentally challenged. Lg >arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together > >the erisian constancy - though chaos is transformed >but never lost to sea - grey ordered ranks are swarmed Alpo refuses to answer questions about concepts he introduces into the conversation, so he deserves no response to his questions or comments. Was it wrong for the "previous tenants" to fight to the death defending their homeland? Its a real simple question, racist Alpo. Are you afraid your bigotry will shine like a beacon if you give an honest answer? I thought so. |
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