About 4 years ago I developed a frozen left shoulder. To cut to the
quick, it was about 15 months before it was normal again, and that
included a 'manipulation operation' under anaesthetic (which
apparently accelerated recovery) and months of excruciatingly boring
exercises.
I've just realised to my dismay that I have exactly the same symptoms
again, in my right shoulder. It was while stretching to the upper edge
of a door (to try pulling it down on its hinges a bit, to free a
sticking spot) that this became obvious - very painful.
I'm off to my GP asap, but can I also any advice here please. What is
regarded as the best way to treat a frozen shoulder? I cannot bear the
thought of another 15 months...

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Terry, West Sussex, UK
tech27 - 10 Mar 2005 21:12 GMT
I had the same problem and procedure, although it was with the same
shoulder. In the end, and MRI revealed scarring in the joint. The fix was to
get arthroscopic (sp?) surgery, during which as scope is inserted and the
scar tissue removed.
Still, it required a serious dedication to physio therapy afterwards. As you
noted, the exercises are boring and painful, but YOU HAVE TO DO THEM
religiously. The idea is to keep the joint mobile while it heals, otherwise
you will again have the same problem with scar tissue.
I made an excellent recovery. The surgeon was amazed at how much mobility
and range of motion I regained. I said he was a brilliant surgeon, he said
no, if everyone did the physiotherapy as well as I did, all of this
operations would be "brilliant". I went to physion twice a week and did home
exercises too.
It's pretty much up to you how well your recovery will go.
Good luck.
PS-This is called a "Rotator Cuff" injury.
> About 4 years ago I developed a frozen left shoulder. To cut to the
> quick, it was about 15 months before it was normal again, and that
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> regarded as the best way to treat a frozen shoulder? I cannot bear the
> thought of another 15 months...
Terry Pinnell - 11 Mar 2005 10:08 GMT
>I had the same problem and procedure, although it was with the same
>shoulder. In the end, and MRI revealed scarring in the joint. The fix was to
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>
>PS-This is called a "Rotator Cuff" injury.
Thank you, appreciate your reply.

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Terry, West Sussex, UK
Emma Chase VanCott - 11 Mar 2005 15:48 GMT
: >PS-This is called a "Rotator Cuff" injury.
For what it's worth, Tech, an MRI often won't show Rotator Cuff injuries.
I looked it up a while back, on another case.
Emma
:)
tech27 - 11 Mar 2005 16:43 GMT
For what it's worth even more - an MRI will show the buildup of scar tissue.
I know from my own case. I had to wait forever for the MRI, and finally got
in (there is a chronic shortage or MRI's in Ontario, Canada-I had the option
to pay a huge amount of money for a procedure that is covered by health care
here, and go to the US for one in a few weeks).
The MRI showed lots and lots of scar tissue. The surgeon booked my operation
on the verbal report before even seeing the MRI. After surgery he told me he
had removed about as much scar tissue as he ever had.
>: >PS-This is called a "Rotator Cuff" injury.
>
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> Emma
> :)
Emma Chase VanCott - 11 Mar 2005 15:46 GMT
: About 4 years ago I developed a frozen left shoulder. To cut to the
: quick, it was about 15 months before it was normal again, and that
: included a 'manipulation operation' under anaesthetic (which
: apparently accelerated recovery) and months of excruciatingly boring
: exercises.
: I've just realised to my dismay that I have exactly the same symptoms
: again, in my right shoulder. It was while stretching to the upper edge
: of a door (to try pulling it down on its hinges a bit, to free a
: sticking spot) that this became obvious - very painful.
: I'm off to my GP asap, but can I also any advice here please. What is
: regarded as the best way to treat a frozen shoulder? I cannot bear the
: thought of another 15 months...
You need a physiotherapist who specializes in Frozen Shoulders and trigger
points.
Try the Clair Davies book "The Trigger Point Therapy Book". His specialty
is frozen shoulders, in fact. :)
Why?
Because, as a professional piano tuner, he had his OWN frozen shoulder
that no-one could fix.
So, he became an RMT (reg'd massage therapist) to learn how to heal
himself. :)
You should be able to find it on www.amazon.com
Emma
Terry Pinnell - 13 Mar 2005 12:58 GMT
>: About 4 years ago I developed a frozen left shoulder. To cut to the
>: quick, it was about 15 months before it was normal again, and that
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>Emma
Thanks for the various helpful follow-ups. I found that book on Amazon
UK, and will order a copy.
Anyone have a view on whether a chiropractor can also help please?

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Terry, West Sussex, UK
Juhana Harju - 13 Mar 2005 13:07 GMT
:: Thanks for the various helpful follow-ups. I found that book on
:: Amazon UK, and will order a copy.
::
:: Anyone have a view on whether a chiropractor can also help please?
Frozen shoulder is essentially an inflammatory condition and I don't
think that a chiropractor would help much.

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Juhana Harju - 11 Mar 2005 16:44 GMT
:: About 4 years ago I developed a frozen left shoulder. To cut to the
:: quick, it was about 15 months before it was normal again, and that
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:: regarded as the best way to treat a frozen shoulder? I cannot bear
:: the thought of another 15 months...
I recovered from frozen shoulder last year within one year without any
surgery or manipulation operation. It was a loathsome condition
especially in the first months when it disturbed my sleep also. I think
that the anti-inflammatory nutrition I had helped me to have a
reasonably quick recovery. I used turmeric, ginger, vitamin C, garlic
and fish oils on a daily basis and I avoided saturated fats,
polyunsaturared omega-6 fats and arachidonid acid (in animal products).
Until there was strong inflammation I avoided intensive rehabilitation
attempts because I noticed that attempts to practise the arm only
provoked the inflammation. Only when the inflammation started to fade
away I started to practise the joint. At that point the practise is very
beneficial.

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Juhana
tech27 - 11 Mar 2005 22:26 GMT
I'm not sure if everyone is talking about the same thing when they say
"frozen shoulder".
In my case there was scar tissue build up, which eventually required surgery
to remove. What I was told is that it is ESSENTIAL to keep the shoulder
mobile WHILE it heals, in order to NOT have the scar tissue reform.
> :: About 4 years ago I developed a frozen left shoulder. To cut to the
> :: quick, it was about 15 months before it was normal again, and that
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> away I started to practise the joint. At that point the practise is very
> beneficial.
Juhana Harju - 12 Mar 2005 05:21 GMT
:: I'm not sure if everyone is talking about the same thing when they
:: say "frozen shoulder".
:: In my case there was scar tissue build up, which eventually required
:: surgery to remove. What I was told is that it is ESSENTIAL to keep
:: the shoulder mobile WHILE it heals, in order to NOT have the scar
:: tissue reform.
I was given the diagnosis of adhesive capsulitis (frozen shoulder) by
several doctors. No doctor mentioned that it would be necessary to
remove any scar tissue. I live in Finland and the level of medical care
is high here.

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