Not just by skin. I can tell you from much direct surgical experience
that many isolated veins, not covered witih skin or even vessel sheath,
are quite blue when filled, white when not (so it's not quite true the
veins are blue-- only filled veins are blue). But the blood within them
is indeed dark muddy-red, not blue.
Some of this may have to do with the thinness and structure of veins
and skin, vs the relatively much thicker and more muscular arteries.
Here's something interesting: it's possible for veinous blood to be
quite red in a well-oxygenated animal, and yet the veins STILL blue.
For example, I just saw a few drops of blood drawn from an external
vein (probably an external branch of the femoral vein) in the rear leg
of an anesthetized cat breathing 100% oxygen as part of anesthesia. The
small blood sample (0.2 mL) was taken for antibody/virus testing. Such
blood samples from this area are generally dark when taken from cats
breathing normal 21% oxygen air, but in a very-well-oxygenated resting
cat, such venous blood may be quite red-- nearly as bright red as
arterial blood. Yet the vein it comes from, remains blue anyway! In
this case, albeit seen through skin.
The cognoscenti may wonder how it is that venous pO2 at all when 100%
O2 is breathed, since oxygen content of arterial blood doesn't go up
that much. But there's some normal A-V shunting in the drainage of the
heart and lungs which affects venous pO2, and also there's a lot of
shunting in resting muscle, such as in a limb. Anesthetics affect
shunting also. So not all venous blood has been though a capillary bed.
SBH
Jason - 16 Mar 2005 00:03 GMT
SBH,
Great post. I learned some things that I did not know before. Keep
up the great work.
Jason
> Not just by skin. I can tell you from much direct surgical experience
> that many isolated veins, not covered witih skin or even vessel sheath,
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> SBH

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Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 16 Mar 2005 04:26 GMT
Thank you.
This is a bit like the people who believe that the printing on the
front side of an American $1 bill, is green. They'll insist on this,
right up the act of taking it out and looking at it. It's not green.
The green is mostly on the backside. There are a few green letters on
the front, and a very muted greenish background for the paper.
Basically, however, most of the print on the front, is simply
black.That's kind of the way it is with blood. People see what they
expect to.
The bark of most trees in a temperate climate isn't brown, either. Go
out and look.
SBH
bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu - 17 Mar 2005 04:50 GMT
>Not just by skin. I can tell you from much direct surgical experience
>that many isolated veins, not covered witih skin or even vessel sheath,
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>Some of this may have to do with the thinness and structure of veins
>and skin, vs the relatively much thicker and more muscular arteries.
I always figured it was a scattering effect. After all, black India
ink (or coal dust) under the skin looks blue -- as in tattoos, and the
scars on coal miners. Does this make sense to you?
PF Riley - 17 Mar 2005 05:18 GMT
>>Not just by skin. I can tell you from much direct surgical experience
>>that many isolated veins, not covered witih skin or even vessel sheath,
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>ink (or coal dust) under the skin looks blue -- as in tattoos, and the
>scars on coal miners. Does this make sense to you?
It does, but I'd still gather it's more likely filtering than
scattering (subtle difference).