> Phillip Longman published an article in the Washington Monthly that
> states: Socialized medicine has been tried in the United States, and
> it has proven superior to health care supplied by the private sector.
> The socialized medicine to which I refer is the complex of hospitals
> managed by the Veterans Administration. Longman cites a study
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> treating elderly patients on Medicare are not government-run
> institutions.
Are you kidding? Veterans hospitals are some of the worst in the
country. Ask any vet.
> But it isn't, because an insane political consensus that firmly
> opposes turning health care over to the government - because the
> government is presumed incapable of doing anything well
They don't. The roads suck, the post office sucks, the IRS "Help Line"
get 1/3 of the answers wrong, waste upon waste upon waste in government
spending. You live in fantasy land if you believe anything else.
There's a reason people in Canada are coming over the border.
Dave Lister - 10 Mar 2005 17:28 GMT
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1110461231.884001.293680
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> Are you kidding? Veterans hospitals are some of the worst in the
> country. Ask any vet.
How would they know?
> They don't. The roads suck, the post office sucks, the IRS "Help Line"
> get 1/3 of the answers wrong, waste upon waste upon waste in government
> spending. You live in fantasy land if you believe anything else.
>
> There's a reason people in Canada are coming over the border.
That is mostly a myth.

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Larry Bud - 11 Mar 2005 13:52 GMT
> > Are you kidding? Veterans hospitals are some of the worst in the
> > country. Ask any vet.
>
> How would they know?
??? Huh?
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=132383&page=1
> > They don't. The roads suck, the post office sucks, the IRS "Help Line"
> > get 1/3 of the answers wrong, waste upon waste upon waste in government
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>
> That is mostly a myth.
Hardly. Waiting lines in Canada are not a myth. There is a shortage
of Doctors in Canada.
Dave Lister - 11 Mar 2005 16:20 GMT
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1110549149.990290.26120
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>> > Are you kidding? Veterans hospitals are some of the worst in the
>> > country. Ask any vet.
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>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=132383&page=1
The question was "how do vets know". They don't exactly comparison shop.
>> > They don't. The roads suck, the post office sucks, the IRS "Help
> Line"
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> Hardly. Waiting lines in Canada are not a myth. There is a shortage
> of Doctors in Canada.
There are some lines. The coming over to the US part is mostly myth.

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Larry Bud - 11 Mar 2005 18:47 GMT
> "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1110549149.990290.26120
> @o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:
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>
> The question was "how do vets know". They don't exactly comparison shop.
Because there are vets which have gone to regular practioners either
for themselves or for family members.
> > Hardly. Waiting lines in Canada are not a myth. There is a shortage
> > of Doctors in Canada.
>
> There are some lines. The coming over to the US part is mostly myth.
http://www.ncpa.org/ea/eand94/eand94l.html
That's just not true for border cities like where I live (Detroit
area). Canadians who can afford it come here.
Dave Lister - 11 Mar 2005 19:06 GMT
"Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1110566831.412087.246200
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> The question was "how do vets know". They don't exactly comparison
> shop.
>
> Because there are vets which have gone to regular practioners either
> for themselves or for family members.
I thought we were discussing hospitals? People don't generally comparison
shop.
>> There are some lines. The coming over to the US part is mostly myth.
>
> http://www.ncpa.org/ea/eand94/eand94l.html
>
> That's just not true for border cities like where I live (Detroit
> area). Canadians who can afford it come here.
2% it said.

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bae@cs.toronto.no-uce.edu - 12 Mar 2005 01:46 GMT
>> > Hardly. Waiting lines in Canada are not a myth. There is a
>shortage
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>That's just not true for border cities like where I live (Detroit
>area). Canadians who can afford it come here.
And they had to go to photo-id health cards here in Ontario some years
ago to control fraud by people coming over from the US to get medical
care in Canada.
Jason - 11 Mar 2005 18:14 GMT
> > > Are you kidding? Veterans hospitals are some of the worst in the
> > > country. Ask any vet.
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> Hardly. Waiting lines in Canada are not a myth. There is a shortage
> of Doctors in Canada.
I read at least one report indicating that lots of doctors from Canada
moved to America to make more money in their medical practices. I don't
know how much doctors make in Canada but it's my guess that they don't
make as much as American doctors--esp. if they are in certain fields--such
as plastic surgery
or heart surgery.

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Almost half the care in the US is paid for by the gov't.
We are almost there.
And I am so glad Bush decided not to allow our gov't to negotiate lower
prices for drugs with drug companies. The no rich drug company left behind
act.
Jeff