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ironjustice@aol.com - 06 Mar 2005 19:06 GMT
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/health_science/articles/2004/10/05/bloodletting
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Bloodletting
A long-discredited cure may hold a promising secret
By Carolyn Y. Johnson, Globe Correspondent  |  October 5, 2004

For 2,500 years, doctors unleashed a single, gory cure-all on nearly
every ailment known to mankind -- a good bleeding. Confronted with a
fever, rattly cough, intermittent seizures, heart disease, or even
mental illness, doctors bled their patients, sometimes until they
passed out.

The common practice of bloodletting weakened and probably killed some
patients -- including George Washington, who was bled of 2 to 3 quarts
of blood after getting sick and died shortly thereafter. Undaunted,
barber-surgeons and doctors continued bloodletting to the cusp of the
20th century, when it was finally consigned to the trash bin of
discredited medicine.

Now, however, a discovery published last month in the journal Science
suggests that bloodletting actually might have helped some patients --
and offers a tantalizing reason why. Microbiologists at the University
of Chicago found that when infectious Staphylococcus aureus bacteria
were deprived of the iron in red blood cells, they did not spread and
cause disease in the body.

''In the earliest 20th century, some of the most respected physicians
advocated using bloodletting and had honed it down to use at the
beginning of a sudden onset with a harsh fever, which is very much the
hallmark of a bacterial infection," said Dr. Tracey Rouault, an expert
on iron metabolism who looked at the Chicago study and saw a connection
to the painful ancient practice. ''Right at that point, you may be
doing some good."

No one today is advocating a return to the lancet. But if Rouault is
right, bloodletting may be joining the list of cures from the past,
including maggots and leeches, proving to be of interest to modern
doctors.

''If something rather invasive has a hold on therapy for 2,500 years,"
Rouault said, ''there must be some incident when somebody benefited
from it."

The scientists behind the bacterial study didn't set out to find a
justification for bloodletting. They were trying to solve a mystery
about bacteria: The cells need iron to grow and thrive, but doctors
have never known which sources of iron in the body were the first
choice. So a research team at the University of Chicago put bacteria on
a low-iron diet and then set them loose in a dish, with the two most
common forms of iron found in the body.

Researchers found the bacteria overwhelmingly preferred heme iron,
which is stored within red blood cells, especially at the beginning of
the infection. ''They blow open the red blood cells, which leads to the
release of heme," said Eric Skaar, a microbiologist at Chicago who
coauthored the study.

He and his colleagues found that when the bacteria were altered so they
could no longer capture the iron stored in the red blood cells, they
were unable to cause disease in mice.

Rouault said that when she first saw the study results, she was
excited. The head of the section on human iron metabolism at the
National Institutes of Health, she had been musing on the rationale for
bloodletting, ''because it's just so curious." The new study suggested
an answer: Maybe it caused iron starvation in bacteria. She wrote a
commentary drawing the connection, which appeared in the same issue of
Science.

Other science historians, however, caution that Rouault's idea does not
mean bloodletting was an effective therapy. The only cases in which it
would have worked were bacterial infections -- a fraction of the total
number of diseases treated with the technique over the centuries, at a
time when doctors had no way to tell a bacterial infection from a
tension headache.

Hippocrates, ''the father of medicine," first advocated bloodletting in
ancient Greece as a method of bringing an unbalanced, diseased person
back to equilibrium. Those ideas evolved into a theory about the body's
four humors, which had to be kept in balance -- too much blood and a
person would be overexcited; too much phlegm, sluggish; and so on. From
there, bloodletting never got much more scientific. It was used
indiscriminately on viral infections, psychosis, and even heart failure
-- although, as Rouault noted, it was sometimes singled out for use at
the beginning of a harsh fever, which often indicates a bacterial
infection.

Medical historians say that it is impossible to divine the real reason
bleeding seemed to ''work," and that to use a modern explanation would
be a gross oversimplification. The perceived power of physicians
wielding such an invasive procedure likely had a potent placebo effect,
said Dr. David Jones, who teaches in the science, technology, and
society program at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

A scientific rationale for bloodletting would put the practice in the
growing company of outdated therapies that have shown some medical
value -- and in some cases are enjoying a full-bore revival, though not
always for their original purposes.

Maggots, which evoke images reeking of death and decay, may seem
definitively unmedical, but can actually save limbs. The tiny white fly
larvae were used to clean wounds in wartime hospitals in the 1930s
until replaced by modern surgical techniques and antibiotics -- but are
now gradually returning at wound clinics across the country, despite
the ''yuck" factor. The US Food and Drug Administration approved
maggots as a medical device to clean out wounds this January. The
larvae are applied to an open wound, secured there with mesh, and left
to eat the dead tissue and kill bacteria -- which they can do with a
precision beyond that of a skilled surgeon, according to some studies.

Leeches were once an important method of bloodletting, but now serve a
completely different purpose. Bred in sterile conditions by special
leech farms, they are applied to surgically reattached fingers or ears,
where they help to stimulate circulation. The most important component
of a leech bite is the saliva, which prevents blood clotting, and
synthetic forms of leech spittle are being used as anticoagulant drugs.
Marie Bonazinga, president of Leeches U.S.A., said that her company
sells in excess of 10,000 farm-raised leeches each year to major trauma
centers across the country.

What may seem strangest about some of the old cures -- the fact that
doctors had little understanding of how they truly affected the body --
is true of much modern medicine as well. ''There are a lot of things we
think of as therapy, but have no scientific rationale," said Dr. Robert
Aronowitz, who teaches history and sociology of medicine at the
University of Pennsylvania.

Even with a scientific rationale, no researcher is going to start
bleeding patients to see whether it actually works. But the
iron-starvation research may yet yield a new therapy.

Skaar's work suggests that doctors could one day kill bacteria by
disrupting their ability to gather iron from red blood cells -- in
essence, starving them by locking the food away rather than by throwing
it out, as bloodletters may have unwittingly been doing for centuries.

As for bloodletting, the question of whether it really worked will
probably never be resolved, and no one anticipates a randomized
clinical trial to set the record straight.

''Bloodletting," Jones said, ''would probably hurt the patient before
it hurt the bacteria."

Carolyn Y. Johnson can be reached at cjohnson@globe.com.

© Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

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Robert - 06 Mar 2005 20:00 GMT
<ironjustice@aol.com> wrote in message

Oh my! Iron is essential for life and what an astonishing finding that
bacteria need iron also.
Bleed the person to death and you will render the bacteria unable to find
any red blood cells. Great idea.
I know! What about using cyanide gas. It deprives the bacteria of oxygen?
Doug Freese - 06 Mar 2005 22:37 GMT
> <ironjustice@aol.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I know! What about using cyanide gas. It deprives the bacteria of
> oxygen?

Robert, please don't bust on ironhead he makes me laugh my a.s off. If
he really belives this, who knows, maybe he will try some self induced
slicing and dicing, or better yet visit about 12 different blood
donation sites in one day.
Peter Moran - 06 Mar 2005 20:05 GMT
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/health_science/articles/2004/10/05/bloodletting
?mode=PF


Bloodletting
A long-discredited cure may hold a promising secret
By Carolyn Y. Johnson, Globe Correspondent  |  October 5, 2004

For 2,500 years, doctors unleashed a single, gory cure-all on nearly
every ailment known to mankind -- a good bleeding. Confronted with a
fever, rattly cough, intermittent seizures, heart disease, or even
mental illness, doctors bled their patients, sometimes until they
passed out.

The common practice of bloodletting weakened and probably killed some
patients -- including George Washington, who was bled of 2 to 3 quarts
of blood after getting sick and died shortly thereafter. Undaunted,
barber-surgeons and doctors continued bloodletting to the cusp of the
20th century, when it was finally consigned to the trash bin of
discredited medicine.

PM   ----   It would be impossible to quickly produce iron starvation in the
human body so as to affect an acute illness, and bloodletting was always
used as a relatively late option in severe illnesses.

This is more or less admitted at the end of this bit of journalism, but I
suppose newspapaers have to print something.

Peter Moran

Now, however, a discovery published last month in the journal Science
suggests that bloodletting actually might have helped some patients --
and offers a tantalizing reason why. Microbiologists at the University
of Chicago found that when infectious Staphylococcus aureus bacteria
were deprived of the iron in red blood cells, they did not spread and
cause disease in the body.

''In the earliest 20th century, some of the most respected physicians
advocated using bloodletting and had honed it down to use at the
beginning of a sudden onset with a harsh fever, which is very much the
hallmark of a bacterial infection," said Dr. Tracey Rouault, an expert
on iron metabolism who looked at the Chicago study and saw a connection
to the painful ancient practice. ''Right at that point, you may be
doing some good."

No one today is advocating a return to the lancet. But if Rouault is
right, bloodletting may be joining the list of cures from the past,
including maggots and leeches, proving to be of interest to modern
doctors.

''If something rather invasive has a hold on therapy for 2,500 years,"
Rouault said, ''there must be some incident when somebody benefited
from it."

The scientists behind the bacterial study didn't set out to find a
justification for bloodletting. They were trying to solve a mystery
about bacteria: The cells need iron to grow and thrive, but doctors
have never known which sources of iron in the body were the first
choice. So a research team at the University of Chicago put bacteria on
a low-iron diet and then set them loose in a dish, with the two most
common forms of iron found in the body.

Researchers found the bacteria overwhelmingly preferred heme iron,
which is stored within red blood cells, especially at the beginning of
the infection. ''They blow open the red blood cells, which leads to the
release of heme," said Eric Skaar, a microbiologist at Chicago who
coauthored the study.

He and his colleagues found that when the bacteria were altered so they
could no longer capture the iron stored in the red blood cells, they
were unable to cause disease in mice.

Rouault said that when she first saw the study results, she was
excited. The head of the section on human iron metabolism at the
National Institutes of Health, she had been musing on the rationale for
bloodletting, ''because it's just so curious." The new study suggested
an answer: Maybe it caused iron starvation in bacteria. She wrote a
commentary drawing the connection, which appeared in the same issue of
Science.

Other science historians, however, caution that Rouault's idea does not
mean bloodletting was an effective therapy. The only cases in which it
would have worked were bacterial infections -- a fraction of the total
number of diseases treated with the technique over the centuries, at a
time when doctors had no way to tell a bacterial infection from a
tension headache.

Hippocrates, ''the father of medicine," first advocated bloodletting in
ancient Greece as a method of bringing an unbalanced, diseased person
back to equilibrium. Those ideas evolved into a theory about the body's
four humors, which had to be kept in balance -- too much blood and a
person would be overexcited; too much phlegm, sluggish; and so on. From
there, bloodletting never got much more scientific. It was used
indiscriminately on viral infections, psychosis, and even heart failure
-- although, as Rouault noted, it was sometimes singled out for use at
the beginning of a harsh fever, which often indicates a bacterial
infection.

Medical historians say that it is impossible to divine the real reason
bleeding seemed to ''work," and that to use a modern explanation would
be a gross oversimplification. The perceived power of physicians
wielding such an invasive procedure likely had a potent placebo effect,
said Dr. David Jones, who teaches in the science, technology, and
society program at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

A scientific rationale for bloodletting would put the practice in the
growing company of outdated therapies that have shown some medical
value -- and in some cases are enjoying a full-bore revival, though not
always for their original purposes.

Maggots, which evoke images reeking of death and decay, may seem
definitively unmedical, but can actually save limbs. The tiny white fly
larvae were used to clean wounds in wartime hospitals in the 1930s
until replaced by modern surgical techniques and antibiotics -- but are
now gradually returning at wound clinics across the country, despite
the ''yuck" factor. The US Food and Drug Administration approved
maggots as a medical device to clean out wounds this January. The
larvae are applied to an open wound, secured there with mesh, and left
to eat the dead tissue and kill bacteria -- which they can do with a
precision beyond that of a skilled surgeon, according to some studies.

Leeches were once an important method of bloodletting, but now serve a
completely different purpose. Bred in sterile conditions by special
leech farms, they are applied to surgically reattached fingers or ears,
where they help to stimulate circulation. The most important component
of a leech bite is the saliva, which prevents blood clotting, and
synthetic forms of leech spittle are being used as anticoagulant drugs.
Marie Bonazinga, president of Leeches U.S.A., said that her company
sells in excess of 10,000 farm-raised leeches each year to major trauma
centers across the country.

What may seem strangest about some of the old cures -- the fact that
doctors had little understanding of how they truly affected the body --
is true of much modern medicine as well. ''There are a lot of things we
think of as therapy, but have no scientific rationale," said Dr. Robert
Aronowitz, who teaches history and sociology of medicine at the
University of Pennsylvania.

Even with a scientific rationale, no researcher is going to start
bleeding patients to see whether it actually works. But the
iron-starvation research may yet yield a new therapy.

Skaar's work suggests that doctors could one day kill bacteria by
disrupting their ability to gather iron from red blood cells -- in
essence, starving them by locking the food away rather than by throwing
it out, as bloodletters may have unwittingly been doing for centuries.

As for bloodletting, the question of whether it really worked will
probably never be resolved, and no one anticipates a randomized
clinical trial to set the record straight.

''Bloodletting," Jones said, ''would probably hurt the patient before
it hurt the bacteria."

Carolyn Y. Johnson can be reached at cjohnson@globe.com.

? Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

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ironjustice@aol.com - 06 Mar 2005 20:18 GMT
Actually .. in Hiv positive patients .. who have higher levels of ..
iron .. IN .. the blood .. have higher .. titers ..

So .. you might say the iron cannot be reduced .. quickly .. but ..
bloodletting DOES .. just .. that ..

Reduces the amount of iron in .. the .. blood ..

And thusly .. according to theory .. therefore would / may reduce ..
titers ..

Due to IMMEDIATE .. reduction of .. iron .. IN .. the .. blood ..
itself .. the easily accessible .. iron .. ?

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Brett - 06 Mar 2005 20:30 GMT
> Actually .. in Hiv positive patients .. who have higher levels of ..
> iron .. IN .. the blood .. have higher .. titers ..
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Who loves ya.
> Tom

Hey, Tom .. why do .. you .. put .. two periods .. between .. every ..
couple of words .. or .. so?

Just .. curious ..

Robert - 06 Mar 2005 20:36 GMT
That's great! Now he says that HIV is a bacteria.
By the way the article states that "Researchers found the bacteria
overwhelmingly preferred heme iron"
It does not say that heme iron is the only iron required. I prefer to eat
lobster.

> > Actually .. in Hiv positive patients .. who have higher levels of ..
> > iron .. IN .. the blood .. have higher .. titers ..
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Just .. curious ..
ironjustice@aol.com - 06 Mar 2005 20:47 GMT
All pathogens need .. iron ..

Whether it be a .. bacteria .. a virus .. fungus or .. a .. cancer ..

ALL .. need ..iron ..

So .. in malaria patients with HIGHER iron levels .. parasite .. the
INCIDENCE .. of .. malaria .. 'taking' .. is noticably .. higher ..

In Hiv patients .. the INCIDENCE of HIGH .. blood iron .. levels are ..
noticably .. higher ..

Just coincidence .. of .. course ..

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Robert - 06 Mar 2005 21:40 GMT
> All pathogens need .. iron ..

Oh, so my statement earlier was wrong then that iron is needed by all living
cells. I stand corrected then and it should read "all pathogens need iron.
Get a clue.

> Whether it be a .. bacteria .. a virus .. fungus or .. a .. cancer ..
>
> ALL .. need ..iron ..

All cells need iron. Virus are strictly viral genomes and they need the
cells iron.

> So .. in malaria patients with HIGHER iron levels .. parasite .. the
> INCIDENCE .. of .. malaria .. 'taking' .. is noticably .. higher ..
>
> In Hiv patients .. the INCIDENCE of HIGH .. blood iron .. levels are ..
> noticably .. higher ..

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Wilkins MJ, Lindley R, Dourakis SP, Goldin RD.

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from human immunodeficiency virus positive patients were examined
histologically. Of these, only nine showed no abnormality whatsoever. The
commonest histological findings were either fatty change or changes related
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> Just coincidence .. of .. course ..

Just coincidence of course that anemia of chronic disease is associated with
reduced blood iron levels. It is called iron lockout anemia.
Get a clue will you. Iron is essential for the cell and any altered
mechanisms of disease will alter the normal mechanics of the cell.
To be spouting day after day of disease and associations iron is simply
stupid and in your case neurotic and pychotic.

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> Tom
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
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Robert - 06 Mar 2005 21:52 GMT
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Maryland 21205, USA. lcaulfie@jhsph.edu

Undernutrition is highly prevalent in many areas in which morbidity and
mortality from malaria is unacceptably high. That undernutrition exacerbates
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research suggests that it may exacerbate, palliate, or have little effect on
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associated with various nutrient deficiencies as well as underweight status
in children 0-4 years of age. Although the association is complex and
requires additional research, improved nutritional status lessens the
severity of malaria episodes and results in fewer deaths due to malaria.
Deficiencies in vitamin A, zinc, iron, folate, as well as other
micronutrients are responsible for a substantial proportion of malaria
morbidity and mortality. It is recommended that nutrition programs be
integrated into existing malaria intervention programs. Copyright 2004 The
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Albonico M, Tielsch JM.

Department of International Health, The Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of
Public Health, Baltimore, MD 21205, USA.

Conflicting evidence exists on the possible role of iron supplementation in
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severity. Where anemia prevalence is >40%, current guidelines are to provide
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transmission. A community-based sample of 614 children 4-71 mo old was
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were the prevalence and density of malaria infection, which was assessed by
blood films at monthly intervals. At baseline, 94.4% were anemic (hemoglobin
< 110 g/L), 48.1% were stunted (height-for-age Z-score less than -2) and
>80% had malaria-positive blood films. No significant differences in
malariometric indices were observed between children in the
iron-supplemented and placebo groups. Parasite density was higher in certain
months and in younger children, but iron supplementation was not associated
with any malarial infection outcome in any season or age subgroup. We
conclude that in this environment of high malaria transmission, daily oral
low-dose supplementation of iron for 12 mo did not affect the prevalence of
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ironjustice@aol.com - 07 Mar 2005 09:34 GMT
>>Undernutrition<<

Again .. I doubt if these people have INCREASED .. iron levels .. IN ..
the blood ..

So .. this article .. really .. isn't .. pertinent .. TO .. this ..
thread ..

Is .. it ..

>>Low dose<<

So .. now that they have begun to use .. low .. doses .. you somehow
feel this is .. relevant .. TO .. a discussion / thread .. OF .. high
iron levels IN .. the .. blood .. ?

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ironjustice@aol.com - 07 Mar 2005 09:31 GMT
>>1991 May;18(5):459-64<<

Kinda .. old ..

Try to keep .. current ..

>>Just coincidence of course that anemia of chronic disease is
associated with reduced blood iron levels<<

Jeez .. it seems you MIGHT .. know .. at least a little bit of the
workings of the iron withholding mechanism .. anemia of chronic disease
..

BUT .. that really isn't what we were / are talking about ..

Is .. it ..

We are talking about increased levels of iron .. in the blood .. and
risk OF .. infection ..

NOT .. after .. the fact ..

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ironjustice@aol.com - 06 Mar 2005 20:49 GMT
You .. seem .. to have it down .. pretty .. good ..

Keep it up ..

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Alf Christophersen - 07 Mar 2005 18:56 GMT
>Hey, Tom .. why do .. you .. put .. two periods .. between .. every ..
>couple of words .. or .. so?

It's the way he utters words.
Robert - 07 Mar 2005 20:56 GMT
> >Hey, Tom .. why do .. you .. put .. two periods .. between .. every ..
> >couple of words .. or .. so?
>
> It's the way he utters words.

He's trying to listen to his inner voices. It's hard to keep up with those
voices and trying to write them down at the same time.
ironjustice@aol.com - 06 Mar 2005 21:03 GMT
FEMS Immunol Med Microbiol. 2005 Mar 1;43(3):325-30. Related Articles,
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Iron and infection: the heart of the matter.

Bullen JJ, Rogers HJ, Spalding PB, Ward CG.

Former Member of The National Institute for Medical Research, Mill
Hill, London; Department of Surgery, School of Medicine, University of
Miami, PO Box 016310, Miami FL 33101, USA.

Bacterial resistance to antibiotics is a major threat to clinical
medicine. However, natural resistance to bacterial infection, which
does not depend on antibiotics, is a powerful protective mechanism
common to all mankind. The availability of iron is the heart of the
matter and the successful functioning of these antibacterial systems
depends entirely upon an extremely low level of free ionic iron
(10(-18) M) in normal tissue fluids. This in turn depends on
well-oxygenated tissues where the oxidation-reduction potential (Eh)
and pH control the binding of iron by unsaturated transferrin and
lactoferrin. Bacterial virulence is greatly enhanced by freely
available iron, such as that in fully-saturated transferrin or free
haemoglobin. Following trauma a fall in tissue Eh and pH due to
ischaemia, plus the reducing powers of bacteria, can make iron in
transferrin freely available and abolish the bactericidal properties of
tissue fluids with disastrous results for the host. Hyperbaric oxygen
is a possible therapeutic measure that could restore normal
bactericidal systems in infected tissues by raising the Eh and pH.

PMID: 15708305 [PubMed - in process]

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Chin Med J (Engl). 2004 Nov;117(11):1704-8. Related Articles, Links

Iron chelator daphnetin against Pneumocystis carinii in vitro.

Ye B, Zheng YQ, Wu WH, Zhang J.

Department of Parasitology, Chongqing University of Medical Sciences,
Chongqing 400016, China. yebina@sohu.com

BACKGROUND: Although there are several drugs and drug combinations for
the treatment of Pneumocystis carinii (P. carinii) pneumonia, all drugs
have the toxicity as well as low efficacy. Iron chelators have been
proposed as a source of new drugs for combating these infections. We
hypothesized that iron chelators would suppress the growth of P.
carinii by deprivation of the nutritional iron required for growth. In
this study, a short-term axenic culture system of P. carinii was
established. Daphnetin (7,8-dihydroxycoumarin), a known iron chelator,
was demonstrated to exhibit in vitro activity against P. carinii in
this system. METHODS: P. carinii organisms were obtained from the lungs
of immunosuppressed rats. The culture system consisted of Iscove
Dulbecco Eagle's Minimum Essential Medium (IMDM), supplemented with
S-adenosyl-L-methionine, N-acetylglucosamine, putrescine, L-cysteine,
L-glutamine, 2-mercaptoethanol, and fetal bovine serum, and was
maintained at 37 degrees C, in 5% CO(2), 95% O(2), at the optimal pH of
8.0. The culture system was used to assess the effect of daphnetin on
the proliferation of P. carinii organisms. The ultrastructures of the
treated organisms were observed by transmission electron microscopy.
RESULTS: The number of cysts and trophozoites increased 8- to 9-fold
and 11- to 12-fold, respectively, after 10 days of culture. Daphnetin
was found to suppress the growth of P. carinii in a dose-dependent
manner at concentrations between 1 micromol/L and 20 micromol/L. The
inhibitory activity was suppressed by the chelation of daphnetin with
ferrous sulfate in a 2:1 molar ratio, but it was not suppressed by
mixing the culture medium with magnesium sulfate. Reduction of P.
carinii numbers after treatment with daphnetin correlated with
morphological changes in the organisms, as determined by transmission
electron microscopy. CONCLUSIONS: Daphnetin can suppress the growth of
P. carinii in vitro. The efficacy of daphnetin in suppressing the the
growth of P. carinii in vitro is related to its ability to chelate
iron.

PMID: 15569490 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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ironjustice@aol.com - 07 Mar 2005 11:28 GMT
J Acquir Immune Defic Syndr. 2003 May 1;33(1):74-81. Related Articles,
Links

Iron, haptoglobin phenotype, and HIV-1 viral load: a cross-sectional
study among pregnant Zimbabwean women.

Friis H, Gomo E, Nyazema N, Ndhlovu P, Krarup H, Madsen PH, Michaelsen
KF.

Department of Human Nutrition, The Royal Veterinary and Agricultural
University, Frederiksberg, Denmark. h.friis@pubhealth.ku.dk

BACKGROUND: Viral load is a determinant of HIV-1 progression and
transmission. Iron status and the phenotype of haptoglobin, a
heme-binding acute phase reactant, may be determinants of viral load.
We aimed to describe the effect of iron status, haptoglobin phenotype
(Hp), and other predictors on HIV-1 viral load. METHODS: Based on a
cross-sectional study among 1669 antenatal care attenders (22-35 weeks)
in Zimbabwe, 526 (31.5%) were found to be HIV infected. The role of
season, age, gravidity, gestational age, malaria parasitemia, Hp, and
elevated serum alpha(1)-antichymotrypsin (ACT) as well as serum
ferritin, folate, retinol, and beta-carotene on HIV viral load among
the 526 HIV-infected women was assessed using multiple linear
regression analysis. RESULTS: The distribution of Hp 1-1 (32%), Hp 2-1
(48%), and Hp 2-2 (20%) was not different from that of 53 uninfected
women. Mean viral load was 3.85 log(10) (95% CI: 3.77-3.93) genome
equivalents (geq)/mL, ranging from 3.77 (95% CI: 3.64-3.90) geq/mL in
women with Hp 1-1 to 4.05 (95% CI: 3.81-4.21) geq/mL in women with Hp
2-2. With elevated serum ACT controlled for, women with Hp 2-2 had
viral loads twice (95% CI: 1.4-4.0, p =.002) that of women with Hp 1-1,
whereas those with serum ferritin <6 micro g/L had viral loads less
than one third (95% CI: 0.13-0.53, p =.013) that of women with serum
ferritin >24 micro g/L. Viral loads were also higher in women enrolled
in the early rainy season compared with the dry season, in gravidae 4+
compared with gravidae 1 through 3, and in those with moderately
elevated compared with low serum alpha(1)-antichymotrypsin, but neither
age, gestational age, serum folate, serum retinol, nor serum
beta-carotene were predictors. CONCLUSION: Storage iron, Hp 2-2, and
elevated ACT are independent positive predictors of HIV-1 viral load.
The positive relationship between serum ferritin and viral load was not
the result of an acute phase response or iron accumulation with
advanced HIV infection. A possible detrimental role of iron in HIV
infection would have serious public health implications.

PMID: 12792358 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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