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So, does the chronic MAKE you stupid or PREVENT the stupids???
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HellPope Huey - 24 Feb 2005 04:54 GMT I'll vote on the side of "prevents," just because its the kind of guy I AM: A defender of SCIENCE!!!
Marijuana-like Ingredient Could Slow Alzheimer's
Wed Feb 23, 5:02 PM ET
By Janice Billingsley HealthDay Reporter
WEDNESDAY, Feb. 23 (HealthDay News) -- By suppressing inflammation in the brain, a synthetic marijuana compound could potentially offer some protection against Alzheimer's disease (news - web sites), Spanish scientists report.
The researchers, who studied the brain tissue of deceased Alzheimer's patients, discovered that many of these patients lose the function of important cannabinoid brain receptors, which seem to guard against cognitive decline.
They further discovered in a rat study involving synthetic marijuana that when these brain receptors were working, they reduced the brain inflammation that is associated with Alzheimer's.
"This is the first time the effects of such damage have been found in Alzheimer's patients," said study co-author Maria de Ceballos, head of the neurodegeneration group at the Cajal Institute, Spain's largest neuroscience research center, in Madrid. "Previously, it has been known only in those with acute brain damage from trauma."
The findings appear in the Feb. 23 issue of The Journal of Neuroscience.
The researchers studied cannabinoid receptors called CB1 and CB2, which are proteins that bind with cannabinoids, the active ingredients of marijuana. The synergy between these receptors and cannabinoids are known to provide protective effects against inflammation in the brain.
In the first part of their study, they compared the brain tissue of deceased Alzheimer's patients to similar tissue from healthy people who had died at the same age. Those who suffered from Alzheimer's had significantly reduced functioning of their cannabinoid receptors compared to the healthy group, which meant those with the disease had lost the capacity to experience the protective effects of cannabinoids.
Then, in a series of rat experiments, the scientists found cannabinoids reduced inflammation in the brain and prevented cognitive decline.
To find this, the researchers injected amyloid, a protein that activates immune cells and leads to cognitive decline, into the brains of one group of rats. Another group of rats received injections of a control protein. A third group of rats were injected with cannabinoids along with amyloid, and a last group received cannabinoids with the control protein.
After two months, the researchers trained the rats over five days to find a platform hidden underwater. Rats treated with the control protein -- with or without the cannabinoids -- and those treated with the amyloid protein and the cannabinoids were able to find the platform. The rats treated with the amyloid protein alone did not learn how to find the platform.
The scientists further confirmed that the amyloid protein activated the rats' brains' immune cells, causing inflammation, but that the cannabinoids counteracted this effect and reduced the inflammation.
de Ceballos said the findings suggest that those who are known to be at risk for Alzheimer's could benefit from using cannabinoids to slow the progression of the disease.
But she added that much work remains to be done before this can be put to clinical use.
Alzheimer's experts also warned this is very preliminary work because it only studied tissue in animals to find the beneficial effects of the cannabinoids, and, as such, is far from an endorsement of marijuana use in preventing Alzheimer's.
"The paper doesn't reflect any thought that people should use marijuana as any kind of therapeutic agent for Alzheimer's. It would be irresponsible to suggest that," said William Thies, vice president of medical and scientific affairs for the Alzheimer's Association.
By looking at a new possible agent that could be useful in moderating the pathology of Alzheimer's, he said, the study joins others examining the possible ways that the disease advances, including the effects of cholesterol, inflammation and the presence of amyloid proteins.
"Certainly every one of these papers that gives us new possibilities to explore is welcome," he said.
Information about the amyloid protein that is a part of Alzheimer's disease can be found at The National Institute of Aging.
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?BONEHEAD>> - 24 Feb 2005 16:07 GMT > I'll vote on the side of "prevents," just because its the kind of guy I > AM: A defender of SCIENCE!!! <SNIP>
I was always of the mind that LSD could open up some of the rotten neural passages in Alzhiemer's patients... Figure if it don't work, at least they can have a little fun....
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HellPope Huey - 24 Feb 2005 18:07 GMT > > I'll vote on the side of "prevents," just because its the kind of guy I > > AM: A defender of SCIENCE!!! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the rotten neural passages in Alzhiemer's patients... > Figure if it don't work, at least they can have a little fun.... Not if someone keeps coming up behind them and whispering "I think that orderly is really Satan!"
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usenet69@hotmail.com - 25 Feb 2005 00:11 GMT I think we would all agree that there are some people out there who ABUSE marijuana. It can make people stupid.
I'd also like to add that just becuase somethings helps with a disease (in very low doses) does not mean that it is good for you in very high doses.
DrPostman - 25 Feb 2005 03:09 GMT >I think we would all agree that there are some people out there who >ABUSE marijuana. It can make people stupid. > >I'd also like to add that just becuase somethings helps with a disease >(in very low doses) does not mean that it is good for you in very high >doses. I never abused it. I smoked the living sh.t out of it.
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usenet69@hotmail.com - 25 Feb 2005 00:11 GMT I think we would all agree that there are some people out there who ABUSE marijuana. It can make people stupid.
I'd also like to add that just becuase somethings helps with a disease (in very low doses) does not mean that it is good for you in very high doses.
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DrPostman - 25 Feb 2005 03:10 GMT >I think we would all agree that there are some people out there who >ABUSE marijuana. It can make people stupid. > >I'd also like to add that just becuase somethings helps with a disease >(in very low doses) does not mean that it is good for you in very high >doses. Yea, better to have the nausea and lack of appetite if you are dying.
Wouldn't want to die less painfully, eh?
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Clave - 25 Feb 2005 04:20 GMT >>I think we would all agree that there are some people out there who >>ABUSE marijuana. It can make people stupid. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Wouldn't want to die less painfully, eh? The best friend I had at the time died a few years back from colon cancer that eventually spread throughout his whole abdomen. He was hospitalized and scheduled for surgery on Christmas Eve. The surgeon wanted to just close him up when she discovered how shot through he was, but was overruled by his oncologist. She cut out huge parts of near every organ in his chest.
Well, his body of course didn't work too well after that, and with the chemo and radiation, he just stopped eating and kind of wasted away. He would spend *hours* sitting in his bathtub with the shower pelting his back with scalding hot water, just to make the pain bearable. Anyone who's had migraines or clusters knows what that's about.
Toward the end, I convinced him to at least *try* pot to quell the nausea. He procured from a friend, and smoked up one afternoon. We met a little later, and for the first time in months, he said he felt hungry. Not giggling "Reefer Madness" high, but better than he'd felt in weeks.
We went to a little Mexican place in Belltown (Seattle) and for the last time in his life, he enjoyed a full meal of real solid food.
I have a *real* hard time imagining that anyone who's watched anything similar could be on the "Demon Weed" side of the argument.
Jim
HellPope Huey - 25 Feb 2005 17:38 GMT > The best friend I had at the time died a few years back from colon cancer > that eventually spread throughout his whole abdomen. He was hospitalized and > scheduled for surgery on Christmas Eve. The surgeon wanted to just close him > up when she discovered how shot through he was, but was overruled by his > oncologist. She cut out huge parts of near every organ in his chest. .........
> Toward the end, I convinced him to at least *try* pot to quell the nausea. > He procured from a friend, and smoked up one afternoon. We met a little later, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I have a *real* hard time imagining that anyone who's watched anything > similar could be on the "Demon Weed" side of the argument. That story pretty well kicks the a.s of hard-liner views that don't take the flip side into account.... ANY hard-liner views. Yes, there are a few clear-cut situations in the world, but overall, aste screws you up; so does inflexibility. The day you say "Well, I could be wrong, or at least be missing a key point that might modify what I'm saying or doing" is the day needless clouds begin to part.
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usenet69@hotmail.com - 02 Mar 2005 21:11 GMT > >I think we would all agree that there are some people out there who > >ABUSE marijuana. It can make people stupid. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Wouldn't want to die less painfully, eh? Let me correct myself. This is what I meant to say:
I'd also like to add that just becuase somethings helps with a disease (in very low doses) does not mean that it is good for a healthy person in very high doses.
> DrPostman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed" > Member,Board of Directors, afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® #15-51506-253. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "Fart for freedom, fart for liberty, and fart proudly." > -Benjamin Franklin DrPostman - 03 Mar 2005 00:43 GMT >> On 24 Feb 2005 16:11:37 -0800, usenet69@hotmail.com in accordance >with [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >(in very low doses) does not mean that it is good for a healthy person >in very high doses. Well of course it isn't. I'm living proof of that. A quarter ounce a day or more was enough to bring me to my bottom thought. Just because I can't have it doesn't mean others shouldn't.
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usenet69@hotmail.com - 02 Mar 2005 21:12 GMT > >I think we would all agree that there are some people out there who > >ABUSE marijuana. It can make people stupid. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Wouldn't want to die less painfully, eh? Let me correct myself. This is what I meant to say:
I'd also like to add that just becuase somethings helps with a disease (in very low doses) does not mean that it is good for a healthy person in very high doses.
> DrPostman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed" > Member,Board of Directors, afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® #15-51506-253. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "Fart for freedom, fart for liberty, and fart proudly." > -Benjamin Franklin www.urine-pimp.com
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HellPope Huey - 03 Mar 2005 00:07 GMT >>I'd also like to add that just because somethings helps with a disease (in very low doses) does not mean that it is good for a healthy person in very high doses.
That depends on your definition of a healthy person. I have a case of glaucoma as big as a pilot whale and I am so mentally ill, I have my own listing in the DSM-IV. I should have a bong surgically sewn to my left nipple.
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?BONEHEAD>> - 03 Mar 2005 07:34 GMT >>>I'd also like to add that just because somethings helps with a disease > (in very low doses) does not mean that it is good for a healthy person [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > listing in the DSM-IV. I should have a bong surgically sewn to my left > nipple. Kinda like this.... http://www.boneheadgrafix.net/breastimplant.jpg
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endus - 25 Feb 2005 00:59 GMT > I'll vote on the side of "prevents," just because its the kind of guy I >AM: A defender of SCIENCE!!! > >Marijuana-like Ingredient Could Slow Alzheimer's Now THAT is what I call science. I will be conducting extensive research on this phenominon in my lab starting tomorrow. Smoke em if ya got em.
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DrPostman - 25 Feb 2005 03:11 GMT >> I'll vote on the side of "prevents," just because its the kind of guy I >>AM: A defender of SCIENCE!!! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >research on this phenominon in my lab starting tomorrow. Smoke em if >ya got em. I had to quit about 18 years ago. I wonder if the effects are long lasting?
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