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Medical Forum / General / General / February 2005DHT linked to development of Homosexuality in Males!
A very bizarre new study, published in a very reputable medical journal. It seems that increased DHT activity may be linked with homosexuality. Anyway, some points from the abstract: 1) Homosexual makes tend to have more body hair and are less physically "built" than straight men. 2) In contrast, 5 alpha reductase deficiency (which is what finasteride and dutasteride emulate) is associated with little or no body hair, a muscular body build, heterosexuality, and possibly lower intelligence. 3) Intelligent and educated men have more body hair than stupid uneducated guys. (Did they include smart but hairless bodied chinese/oriental guys in the statistics or only caucasians?) 4) DHT may enhance cognitive skills, at least in animals. 5) Could this explain why dr. primeau is trying to increase his dht levels? ie. He's subconciously interested in young men at alt.baldspot. Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2004 Dec;1032:237-44. A Role for 5Alpha-Reductase Activity in the Development of Male Homosexuality? Alias AG. Chester Mental health Center, PO Box 31, Chester, IL 62233. aliasag@yahoo.com. Higher body hair with lower mesmorphism ratings were observed in Caucasian homosexual men compared with the general male population, reflecting elevated 5alpha-reductase (5alphaR) activity, and higher dihydrotestosterone-to-testosterone (DHT-to-T) ratio, in sharp contrast to 46,XY 5alphaR 2 deficiency subjects, who are often born with ambiguous, or female genitalia, but tend to grow up to be muscular, heterosexual men with very little body hair, or beard. One study also showed them scoring around dull normal IQs. A greater prevalence of liberal body hair growth in men with higher IQs and/or educational levels was also observed in several samples. The exceptions to this statistical trend are too unsettling, however. Nevertheless, the results of a number of published studies, including one showing higher DHT-to-T ratio in homosexual men, done with different objectives over a span of 80 years, together strongly support these findings. Furthermore, in an animal model, "cognitive-enhancing effects" of "5alpha-reduced androgen " were recently demonstrated. PMID: 15677419 > 5) Could this explain why dr. primeau is trying to increase his dht > levels? ie. He's subconciously interested in young men at > alt.baldspot. This is ridiculous.Im well aware of my interest in silky young men.Ernie That has got to me one of the most STUPID things I have read. MC Here is an article on the Gene Theory. I wonder which it is? Genes or Hormones? Are they going to start pricking fingers at job interviews, like in Gattica? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,145754,00.html In the study, researchers analyzed the genetic makeup of 456 men from 146 families with two or more gay brothers. The genetic scans showed a clustering of the same genetic pattern among the gay men on three chromosomes -- chromosomes 7, 8, and 10. These common genetic patterns were shared by 60 percent of the gay men in the study. This is slightly more than the 50 percent expected by chance alone. The regions on chromosome 7 and 8 were associated with male sexual orientation regardless of whether the man got them from his mother or father. The regions on chromosome 10 were only associated with male sexual orientation if they were inherited from the mother. >A very bizarre new study, published in a very reputable medical > journal. It seems that increased DHT activity may be linked with [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > PMID: 15677419 > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,145754,00.html > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > genetic patterns were shared by 60 percent of the gay men in the study. This > is slightly more than the 50 percent expected by chance alone. These are very thin correlations and they operate in a limited number of cases. Keep in mind that the incidence of homosexuality is around 1-3% of the male population and 1-2% of the female population. Even genetic components that double the risk still make it far less than likely. The hormone previously mentioned in relation to male homosexuality is DHEA, which is a hormone that also correlates to longevity and its part of the androgen synthesis pathway. In women, PCOS increases the risk for lesbianism - probably through the excessive levels of androgens. I don't think androgens are a simple set of straight-forward hormones. Androgens also make heterosexual women more sexual in general. Behavior of any kind is very difficult to sift through. It's determined by education/socialization/culture, genetic inheritance and environment. In America, the first element is of limited impact in homosexual behavior. This would not be true in, say, ancient Rome. Furthermore, the biggest component may well be in the womb where genes interact with chemicals from a mother's diet and other factors, permanently switching these genes on or off. Which is which has great implications for 5AR inhibition. Does inhibiting 5AR make you more "heterosexual?" Probably not. It's likely that once these genes get flipped on/off, they affect brain development in a permanent way. The enhanced levels of DHT continues to have ongoing effects on characteristics like body hair. Since the hair follicle is self-renewing, you can somewhat alter its growth by cutting back on those androgens. The brain, however, is the brain. Once those connections link up, small molecules aren't going to change much. I suppose for a few individuals in the border region of the spectrum, you might be able to do something, but probably not for the vast majority of people. For instance, I've heard that athletic women shooting up on androgens can occassionally find themselves staring at other women's breasts. It's a complicated business. > > Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2004 Dec;1032:237-44. > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > muscular, heterosexual men with very little body hair, or beard. One > > study also showed them scoring around dull normal IQs. If I recall, a cluster of 5AR2 deficient men popped up in the Dominican Republic. I'd be cautious about making statements about IQs unless I knew who was being compared to whom. Dull normal might be average for other Dominicans in a similar sample. I'd need to see all the papers involved and see where they pulled their samples from and how. > > A greater > > prevalence of liberal body hair growth in men with higher IQs and/or > > educational levels was also observed in several samples. I can offer another interpretation. Wealth leads to better nutrition and greater body and brain size - usually partly through glucose/insulin upregulation. A diet rich in calories and carbs increases these cellular growth signals and, through some yet unknown means, cranks up androgen output - hence the higher body hair levels. A better study would control for wealth, diet and IQ. The > > exceptions to this statistical trend are too unsettling, however. What exceptions are these? > > Nevertheless, the results of a number of published studies, including > > one showing higher DHT-to-T ratio in homosexual men, done with > > different objectives over a span of 80 years, together strongly > > support these findings. Furthermore, in an animal model, > > "cognitive-enhancing effects" of "5alpha-reduced androgen " were > > recently demonstrated. What study is this? The Fox article is misleading in how it's written. It's titled, "Genes Linked With Male Sexual Orientation Found." Technically, the study their reporting on is not a gene linkage study, which is the most convincing genetics finding there is, e.g., linking a particular phenotype with a gene locus or loci. Instead this is a gene *association* study. And might I say, 60 percent vs. the 50 percent you'd expect by chance is not very convincing. I always liked the Kinsey view on sexual orientation. Some people are completely straight, or completely gay (e.g., the UO). Most people fall somewhere in between. Genes probably tell only a very small part of the story why some men like to screw men, or women with women, etc. > Here is an article on the Gene Theory. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > The regions on chromosome 7 and 8 were associated with male sexual > orientation regardless of whether the man got them from his mother or > father. The regions on chromosome 10 were only associated with male sexual > orientation if they were inherited from the mother. [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > > > PMID: 15677419 Couldn't DHT/T counts also be influenced by sexual habits, self suppression, continuous mental or physical stimulation, or mastrubation frequency? > completely straight, or completely gay (e.g., the UO). Most people fall > somewhere in between. Genes probably tell only a very small part of the > story why some men like to screw men, or women with women, etc. >From what I gather, the consensus points to neither nature nor nurture, but to Dear Old Mom's hormonal flucuations or exposure during gestation. It makes you wonder about androgen exposure in intercourse during critical pregnacy stages. (I've even read wild speculation blaming the advent of "estrogenic" sun lotions behind the "rise" in boomer gender confusion! Jeeze, I'll never look at the little Coppertone ad girl & pup quite the same way again!!!). If the gestation/hormone model is confirmed, then homosexuality could possibly be "prevented," or "treated" in utero. Or perhaps even deliberately "designed," (for those vangarde, PC couples convinced that there are already too many fashion-uncoordinated, lawnmower repairmen in the family). It also explains why he is seeking a sex change operation. What concerns me is that he is mentally unstable and may try to do the operation himself. > 5) Could this explain why dr. primeau is trying to increase his dht > levels? ie. He's subconciously interested in young men at [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > PMID: 15677419 |
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