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Prothesis, Wolpaw, Wadsworth and telepathy

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fbonsignore@beethoven.com - 31 Jan 2005 19:15 GMT
The success in Wadsworth by Dr Wolpaw to control a computer cursor by
reading and interpreting through language recognition software the
signals usually read only by EEG, suggests the possibility to direct
this kind of research toward the development of advvanced  prothesis to
simulate the natural movement of hands. Though his method is not
invasive, it may be possible to complement the elecric field reading
with direct neuron contact through the use of very thin interfases,
similar to the use of optical fibers. This can be a natural use for
nanotubules, able to serve as support for (single atom?) filaments
establishing direct contact with neurons in an almost non invasive and
subtle way. Theoretically, with two way stimulation, the brain in touch
with these filaments should be able to be trained and establish control
through the same processes we use to speak. That would allow fine
control of advanced robotic hands and other manipulators. Somebody
knows if and where is this kind of research being conducted?
Davorak - 31 Jan 2005 19:53 GMT
I have not heard of these exact experiments, but have heard of similar
experiments dealing with monkeys.  I just grabbed some quick links off
Google:
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/10/13/monkey_brain031013
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A17434-2003Oct12?language=printer
Google search:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=monkey+mind+robotic

The experiments described in the links above involve implanting wires
into a monkeys brains, specifically dealing with muscle control, this
allowed the monkeys to move a cursor around on a screen with their
minds.  Apparently electric currents in this part of the brain single
the onset of muscle movement.  The monkeys learned to play a game where
they would get a treat each time they moved the cursor into the middle
of the screen.  Eventually they learned they could do it with out the
joystick at all.  The monkeys thought about moving their arm and the
game acted as if they had moved their arm when in reality they had only
thought about it.  This is what I remember from the articles I have
read sorry if my wording is vague or confusing.

The nanotube interface seems like a logical step forward, though one
that does not seem likely anytime soon.  A nanotube is a long molecule
cylindrical in nature.  The most famous and common example would by the
carbon nanotube.
Here is a link that look useful at first glance for carbon nanotubs:
http://www.personal.rdg.ac.uk/~scsharip/tubes.htm

I hope this helps.  I am sure I am missing considerable information of
the subject, a little digging should reveal a lot more.
josephus - 02 Feb 2005 14:04 GMT
> I have not heard of these exact experiments, but have heard of similar
> experiments dealing with monkeys.  I just grabbed some quick links off
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> thought about it.  This is what I remember from the articles I have
> read sorry if my wording is vague or confusing.

It is possible that the subject is being misreported.  I can imagine
that there might be a neural study that had these properties. this is
mapping the signals.    I disagree with the loose definition and it s
assertion is not supported with evidence.

   the problem is that we say orgifrats. well, orgifars is a high level
abstract word referring to many vague and unnamed  definitions.  When
using orgifrats there is no connection to causality.

example we say "Test monkey moves device with mind."  Telepathy is one
explanation but not the best explanation of this high level statement.
each of the words could be qualified such that the implication would
point to a valid activity rather than the uninformed idea of telepathy
in this case.

> The nanotube interface seems like a logical step forward, though one
> that does not seem likely anytime soon.  A nanotube is a long molecule
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I hope this helps.  I am sure I am missing considerable information of
> the subject, a little digging should reveal a lot more.
 
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