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Silly Paper Gowns

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Mike - 30 Jan 2005 11:32 GMT
I noticed that when a person goes to the doctor that the nurses
sometimes make the patient remove their shirt and pants and wear a
paper gown. What would happen if a patient refused to wear the gown?
Would the doctor refuse to see the patient or make them change into
the gown? I'd really like to know. I really don't even see the purpose
of those gowns for the average doctor's visit. I'm asking because I'm
thinking that the next time I go to the doctor I'm not even gonna wear
the gown. They make me feel extremely uncomfortable and I'm the one
that's paying the doctor for the service and I should get to make the
rules. But maybe I missing something. Anyone care to add their
thoughts on the subject?
habshi - 30 Jan 2005 13:19 GMT
    Saves the doctor time in getting patients to remove layers and
layers of clothes
MC60614 - 30 Jan 2005 20:04 GMT
What is Patient about being a Patient..MC
Howard McCollister - 30 Jan 2005 15:31 GMT
>I noticed that when a person goes to the doctor that the nurses
> sometimes make the patient remove their shirt and pants and wear a
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> rules. But maybe I missing something. Anyone care to add their
> thoughts on the subject?

In what other areas of the purchasing of professional services do you get to
make the rules? Your plumber? Your auto technician? Your electrician? You
get to tell them how to do their job? Maybe you get to tell the kid that
mows your lawn how to do it, but I think you're pretty far off base when you
think you can dictate the details of how a trained professional accomplishes
a complicated job about which you don't even have the faintest clue. Even if
you're the one paying.

Now, having said that, I'll grant you that there is a lot of latitude in
those kinds of doctor-patient issues, and whether or not the patient will
wear a paper gown is WAY down the list of issues that are important to the
doctor. To your question, I doubt that the doctor would refuse to see you
just because you refused to wear a paper gown than made you uncomfortable.
In my own practice, I see that all the time. We do the gown thing as a
convenience-issue (to me), but if the patient refuses and it doesn't
compromise my ability to do my job, then it's no big deal and we just work
around it. I can't speak for your doctor, however. There are hundreds of
thousands of doctors in this country, and your question seems to imply that
posters here on the internet can speak for every single one of them. Every
doctor runs their practice differently and there can be HUGE variations from
doctor to doctor.

I'm very cognizant of the fact that the patient is paying me to do a job for
him/her and we try to accomodate them as best we can, but when a patient's
demands start impinging significantly on my ability to do that job
accurately, that's the point where that patient and I may part company. This
is, and should be, a very rare event. Paper gown problems by themselves
don't fall into this category. One of the key aspects of being a successful
doctor is good communication, and effective use of that tool will eliminate
the *vast* majority of such issues, especially minor ones such as you
describe above.

HMc
Jeff - 31 Jan 2005 00:30 GMT
(...)

> In what other areas of the purchasing of professional services do you get
> to make the rules? Your plumber? Your auto technician? Your electrician?
> You get to tell them how to do their job?

Yes, to all of the above. If I were having a hot water heater or new
baseboard heating or getting my engine fixed, I would require certain parts
and quality of work. But I would also do my homework first and understand
what I am talking about.

> Maybe you get to tell the kid that mows your lawn how to do it, but I
> think you're pretty far off base when you think you can dictate the
> details of how a trained professional accomplishes a complicated job about
> which you don't even have the faintest clue.

Actually, he seems to have a pretty good idea of the essence of the
question. And, even asking the question, shows a willingness to work with
doctors.

I don't think choosing to wear a gown or not is that big of a deal. You
might even ask the doctor's office when you make your next appointment. I
just where gym shorts and a t-shirt under my clothes. And I tell the doctor
or nurse that have these on and that they are easy to remove.

Besides, this will save the doctor a little bit of money, because the gowns
are free. And it will be good for the environment, too.

Likewise, when I go to the doctor, ultimately, I am the one who will decide
whether or not I will take the meds prescribed, loose weight or get the
tests recommended.

As you can tell, HMc and I have a very different way of looking at this. The
important thing is that you communicate your concerns to your doctor, and do
so in a very kind way. After all, both of you need to work together to help
improve your health.

Jeff
Steven Bornfeld - 31 Jan 2005 03:27 GMT
> (...)
>
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> whether or not I will take the meds prescribed, loose weight or get the
> tests recommended.

    Absolutely.  It is also the right of a doctor to decline to treat a
non-compliant patient.

Steve

> As you can tell, HMc and I have a very different way of looking at this. The
> important thing is that you communicate your concerns to your doctor, and do
> so in a very kind way. After all, both of you need to work together to help
> improve your health.
>
> Jeff
Bob - 30 Jan 2005 18:02 GMT
>I noticed that when a person goes to the doctor that the nurses
>sometimes make the patient remove their shirt and pants and wear a
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>rules. But maybe I missing something. Anyone care to add their
>thoughts on the subject?

Gee, you must have an idyllic life, if something like this rises to
such importance.

Why not mention it to the nurse, in good humor; see what s/he says.

Howard's answer was great.

bob
wc - 30 Jan 2005 19:20 GMT
I'm a health care professional.  When I go to the doctor, if it's just
the doctor and I in the room, I defer.  I don't like them either.  What
they are for actually is to protect the patients modesty.  There is
no doctor of either sex that has not seen many a nude patient, and
most of them would not think one way or another.  It's for the
patient's comfort, just remember that.  If the doctor is in private
practice, it saves money on office expenses.  Those paper gowns are
not cheap.

Will, crna
Jeff - 31 Jan 2005 00:33 GMT
(...)

> Gee, you must have an idyllic life, if something like this rises to
> such importance.

Not really. I hate those gowns too. they are uncomfortable and a pain in the
butt. Plus, a waste of paper. I also hate them because they make feel less
human and like a sick person.

I don't think it is a live or die type of question, but I totally understand
how the gown stands in the way of the patient doctor relationship.

Jeff
Carey Gregory - 31 Jan 2005 01:27 GMT
>I noticed that when a person goes to the doctor that the nurses
>sometimes make the patient remove their shirt and pants and wear a
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>rules. But maybe I missing something. Anyone care to add their
>thoughts on the subject?

If you prefer being buck naked, then I foresee no major objections as long
as you don't go parading into the waiting room.  

But if you're saying you object to a competent medical exam, which
necessarily requires actually seeing and touching your body rather than just
guessing what's under your fashion choices, then I'd say you should find a
doctor who doesn't mind if you substitute your judgment for his.

Or, if you think the visit really doesn't require a physical exam, then why
don't you just ask the staff if it's really necessary?   How hard is that?
Griffin - 02 Feb 2005 03:15 GMT
> I noticed that when a person goes to the doctor that the nurses
> sometimes make the patient remove their shirt and pants and wear a
> paper gown.

Gowns, whether paper or fabric, are designed to facilitate physicial
examination, which is what you're paying your doctor to do. If you have
personal hangups, I suggest you discuss them with your physician so you
can work something out to your mutual benefit.

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