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Archimedes Plutonium - 30 Jan 2005 09:17 GMT
I have been battling warts for years now, about 10 of them. I have 4
remaining; 2 on hands and 2 on foot. I believe I got them when I lived
on the East Coast and using rubber gloves and using rubber massage
sandals.

If not for the cost of a medical doctor to cut off a wart that is the
best means of getting rid of a wart but who wants to pay $200.-$300. per
wart. The cost makes this a nuisance.

Then there is the salicylic acid method. Trouble with it is that it
takes years for it to do anything and the wart seems to manage to grow
back after you peel off or accidentally rub off the white coating.
Perhaps the acid is just not strong enough. And I feel that the
companies that make this acid treatment just do not have an effective
treatment to be worth selling in the first place. I think the FDA should
take all of the salicylic acid treatments off the market as ineffectual
and a gross waste of time and money.

Then there is the recent new freezing method packaged in a cannister
with pads that spray dimethyl ether + propane. I found it very much more
expensive , almost nine times the cost of salicylic acid and less
effective than the acid. Neither the acid nor the freezing removed any
of my last 4 warts and I have used them for years now. I think the FDA
ought to remove both the acid and freeze treatments from the marketplace
as ineffectual and a waste of time and money.

I read about a duct-tape method and never bothered to try it because the
modus operandi is not the tape, for the tape only conditions the wart
but the filing down or the scrapping of the wart once the tape is
removed that eventually destroys the wart. I find that a hot bath
conditions a wart much better than lugging around some tape on the wart.
So it is not the tape that works but the filing away or scrapping of the
wart once it is in a softened condition. So a better technique is to
place the wart in a hot water or even a hot salt water bathe to soften
it and then take the filing tool or scrapping tool to whittle away the
wart and after several such filings the wart is made to disappear.

I tried burning off warts and it works but very painful and it leaves a
damaged larger area than the wart itself.

I tried cutting a wart much like a doctor would only I do not have the
anaesthesia that the doctor has. So this is painful also and then there
is blood to consider.

So I disfavor both burning and cutting.

So I finally have arrived at my personal favorite method. It is quick
and almost absent of pain although there is some pain. Unlike acid or
freezing which takes years and a high cost and then the wart still is
there, this method costs nothing and works in a matter of days or weeks.

What I do is get a sewing needle and disinfect the tip with alcohol and
disinfect large fingernail clippers both the curved edge and
straightedge type.
So I have 3 instruments: needle, 2 fingernail clippers. So I take the
wart and I pierce it as deep as I can with the disinfected needle and I
pry that loose skin upwards. I jab the needle all over the wart and
loosen up as much of the wart as possible, then I take the fingernail
clippers and clip off that loosened skin. I do not force the needle or
fingernail clippers with any pain, for I stop short of pain. Sometimes I
do get a spot of blood from the needle but that is a good sign because
the wart is deep. Warts are deep and that is why the acid and freezing
methods are never effective.

I remember one wart that grew to 4 times its size after applying acid
for about 2 years.

So the needle is the abrasion and the digging deep enough to get at the
full wart and the fingernail clippers sterilized in alcohol removes all
the abraded wart.

I have used this method on 2 of my last 4 warts and will see how fast I
can get rid of them. Once I do I will trashcan the remaining bottles of
acid and the freeze cannisters as -- modern day snakeoil quack
treatments.

The FDA helped remove Vioxx, why not remove these wart treatments as
ineffective time wasting and money losing medicines also. They will not
kill you like Vioxx potential but they will waste your time and money.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Wozza - 30 Jan 2005 09:41 GMT
> I have been battling warts for years now, about 10 of them. I have 4
> remaining; 2 on hands and 2 on foot. I believe I got them when I lived
> on the East Coast and using rubber gloves and using rubber massage
> sandals.

Nope, you got your warts at the Hellfire Club wearing no rubber at all.
farooq_w@hotmail.com - 30 Jan 2005 10:49 GMT
> If not for the cost of a medical doctor to cut off a wart that is the
> best means of getting rid of a wart but who wants to pay $200.-$300. per
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> back after you peel off or accidentally rub off the white coating.
> Perhaps the acid is just not strong enough.

I know of someone who was prescribed moist silver nitrate to be applied
on the wart on the chin. It shriveled and dropped off in three days.
But no one knows what kind of (viral perhaps) warts you have which keep
on recurring. Ask your doctor about silver nitrate treatment.
maison.mousse - 30 Jan 2005 11:33 GMT
farooq_w@hotmail.com a ?crit dans le message
<1107082179.934745.127390@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...

>> If not for the cost of a medical doctor to cut off a wart that is the
>> best means of getting rid of a wart but who wants to pay $200.-$300.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>But no one knows what kind of (viral perhaps) warts you have which keep
>on recurring. Ask your doctor about silver nitrate treatment.

Phenol is generally used to remove warts not cutting.
If a dermatologist wants to charge more than $50 US
find an other.
 Liquid nitrogen was all the rage one time in the US  (maybe still?)  but
is an unneeded cost.
JOL
Steve Turner - 30 Jan 2005 14:24 GMT
>If not for the cost of a medical doctor to cut off a wart that is the
>best means of getting rid of a wart but who wants to pay $200.-$300. per
>wart. The cost makes this a nuisance.

If you're good with a soldering iron you can construct a device which
is claimed to remove warts electrically.  See: Nuts & Volts, Feb.
2005, p. 30ff.

>The FDA helped remove Vioxx, why not remove these wart treatments as
>ineffective time wasting and money losing medicines also. They will not
>kill you like Vioxx potential but they will waste your time and money.

1) Get your facts straight.  Merck withdrew Vioxx voluntarily.  FDA
had nothing to do with it.

2) Just because a particular remedy does not work for you does not
mean it's ineffective "snake oil."  That's what clinical trials are
for.  No remedy is effective on 100% of the population.

Steve Turner
Uncle Al - 30 Jan 2005 20:36 GMT
> I have been battling warts for years now,
[snip]

All hail the freedom-fighting warts.  Hey Archie-Poo, doesn't
plutonium kill them off?

Boring idiot troll.

I cannot believe how incredibly stupid Archie-Poo is.  I mean
rock-hard stupid.  Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid.  Surface
of Venus under 80 atmospheres of red hot carbon dioxide and sulfuric
acid vapor dehydrated for 300 million years rock-hard stupid.  Stupid
so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole
different sensorium of stupid.  Archie-Poo is trans-stupid stupid.
Meta-stupid.  Stupid so collapsed upon itself that it is within its
own Schwarzschild radius.  Black hole stupid.  Stupid gotten so dense
and massive that no intellect can escape.  Singularity stupid.
Archie-Poo emits more stupid/second than our entire galaxy otherwise
emits stupid/year.  Quasar stupid.  Nothing else in the universe can
be this stupid.  Archie-Poo is an oozingly putrescent primordial
fragment from the original Big Bang of Stupid, a pure essence of
stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of
physics that define maximally extrapolated hypergeometric
n-dimensional backgroundless stupid as we can imagine it.  Archie-Poo
is Planck stupid, a quantum foam of stupid, a vacuum decay of stupid,
a grand unified theory of stupid.

Archie-Poo is an epiphany of stupid.  Archie-poo is stooopid.

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dbohara@mindspring.com - 31 Jan 2005 04:24 GMT
I watched a friend get rid of knee warts once with a copper wire cooled
with liquid nitrogen.  I observed that a small soldering iron would
really do exactly the same thing with more control but he said it was
the psychological thing about heat vs cold that made the cold bearable.
I suggested that stuff you put on kids hurt teeth (Anbesol) for
reducing the hurt before application of heat or cold.
Why not use UV light from one of those gadgets used for UV cure epoxy.
They make a tiny spot and no heat but UV will kill stuff.
Seems like what you really want is one of those beta emitting "seeds"
they use for prostate cancer treatment.  Emits very short range betas
and it had half life of only a few days.  Tape it to the wart and
KEEEELLLLL it DeAAD.  probably expensive though.
analyst - 31 Jan 2005 07:48 GMT
Archie, it looks Uncle Al does not have a remedy for you. you are
warthless.

*Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
*>
*> I have been battling warts for years now,
*[snip]
*
*All hail the freedom-fighting warts.  Hey Archie-Poo, doesn't
*plutonium kill them off?
*
*Boring idiot troll.
*
*I cannot believe how incredibly stupid Archie-Poo is.  I mean
*rock-hard stupid.  Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid.  Surface
*of Venus under 80 atmospheres of red hot carbon dioxide and sulfuric
*acid vapor dehydrated for 300 million years rock-hard stupid.  Stupid
*so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole
*different sensorium of stupid.  Archie-Poo is trans-stupid stupid.
*Meta-stupid.  Stupid so collapsed upon itself that it is within its
*own Schwarzschild radius.  Black hole stupid.  Stupid gotten so dense
*and massive that no intellect can escape.  Singularity stupid.
*Archie-Poo emits more stupid/second than our entire galaxy otherwise
*emits stupid/year.  Quasar stupid.  Nothing else in the universe can
*be this stupid.  Archie-Poo is an oozingly putrescent primordial
*fragment from the original Big Bang of Stupid, a pure essence of
*stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of
*physics that define maximally extrapolated hypergeometric
*n-dimensional backgroundless stupid as we can imagine it.  Archie-Poo
*is Planck stupid, a quantum foam of stupid, a vacuum decay of stupid,
*a grand unified theory of stupid.
*
*Archie-Poo is an epiphany of stupid.  Archie-poo is stooopid.
Pelerin Galimatias - 31 Jan 2005 15:58 GMT
>> I have been battling warts for years now,
>[snip]
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>Meta-stupid. ...
>Uncle Al

The picture of Archimedes sitting in his bath tub sticking pins
in his wart is disgusting.  UA's screed didn't help a bit.

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muha - 31 Jan 2005 05:50 GMT
Liquid nitrogen is for sissies. Try freezing them with liquid oxygen
instead - and then setting them on fire!

Now, seriously, I feell very sorry for your warts. They must feel
pretty depressed, all four of them.  Maybe you should sometimes take
them with you - on your next bareback cruise.
Brian Webb - 01 Feb 2005 04:22 GMT
"Archimedes Plutonium" <a_plutonium@iw.net> wrote...
> I have been battling warts for years now, about 10 of them. I have 4
> remaining; 2 on hands and 2 on foot. I believe I got them when I lived
> on the East Coast and using rubber gloves and using rubber massage
> sandals.
<snip>
> What I do is get a sewing needle and disinfect the tip with alcohol and
> disinfect large fingernail clippers both the curved edge and
> straightedge type.
<snip>
> So the needle is the abrasion and the digging deep enough to get at the
> full wart and the fingernail clippers sterilized in alcohol removes all
> the abraded wart.
<snip>
> The FDA helped remove Vioxx, why not remove these wart treatments as
> ineffective time wasting and money losing medicines also. They will not
> kill you like Vioxx potential but they will waste your time and money.

If you had discovered the needle trick earlier, the acid would have
penetrated deeper and worked fine.  I had a 100% success rate.  An
Xacto knife and needle-nose pliers come in handy too.

- Brian
Archimedes Plutonium - 01 Feb 2005 10:14 GMT
(snip what I wrote)

> If you had discovered the needle trick earlier, the acid would have
> penetrated deeper and worked fine.  I had a 100% success rate.  An
> Xacto knife and needle-nose pliers come in handy too.
>
> - Brian

Nay. The method of needle and fingernail clipper matches the method of the
doctor with a scapelknife and anesthesia. The doctor can remove a wart in 10
minutes or less. And it is almost guaranteed gone.

So the needle abrades the wart and the fingernail clipper cuts and removes
the abrasions. I am careful to use alcohol to sterilize the needle and
clippers. Also I am very careful when working on more than one wart so as
not to spread the wart virus to other parts of my body. The doctor can
remove a wart in 10 minutes or less, but with my needle and clipper and no
anesthesia I need several days to get all of that wart mass removed.

I found that the acid made the wart spread out more. So instead of
destroying the wart it made it a larger area. It increased the area 6 fold
when I started with the acid.

With the needle I am bleeding at those wart sites, much as what happens when
the doctor uses the scapel. But with the acid there is never any bleeding
and never any deep penetration of the wart so it only spreads out and gets
worse.

There is also the factor that if the acid can kill a wart the acid can
malign normal healthy cells. So I do not want to be applying acid onto
bloody spots.

So my conclusion after several years of using acid method that the entire
method is bogus. That acid costs money and wastes alot of time. And worst of
all the acid treatment causes the wart to get larger in surface area. Where
I end up having to either  doctor scapel remove it or for myself to
needle-clipper remove it.

I would hazard to guess that if a research were conducted on the acid
treatment of warts of 1,000 people with a wart, that the acid treatment
would not remove one single wart of those 1,000, and instead, that over 50%
of those people will have contracted a larger surface area wart than if they
had done nothing at all.

I think the FDA should investigate wart acid removers because to my
experience they are nothing but snake-oil waste of time and money.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
james@no.spam.please - 01 Feb 2005 04:38 GMT
>Then there is the salicylic acid method. Trouble with it is that it
>takes years for it to do anything and the wart seems to manage to grow
>back after you peel off or accidentally rub off the white coating.
>Perhaps the acid is just not strong enough.

About 10 years ago, I got a wart.  Knowing of the salicylic acid method
and having some pure salicylic acid, I put some on the wart (moistened
with water).  I had to keep reapplying it since it would dry up and fall
off, but the wart was gone quickly.  It worked great!  I don't know how
strong the commercial wart removers are, but 100% salicylic acid worked
great for me.

My skin isn't bothered by much this side of hot concentrated sulfuric
acid, others may react to 100% salicylic acid in a not so nice way.
analyst - 01 Feb 2005 08:40 GMT
what's wrong with silver nitrate, liquid nitrogen or a hot nail?

*Archimedes Plutonium <a_plutonium@iw.net> writes:
*
*>Then there is the salicylic acid method. Trouble with it is that it
*>takes years for it to do anything and the wart seems to manage to grow
*>back after you peel off or accidentally rub off the white coating.
*>Perhaps the acid is just not strong enough.
*
*About 10 years ago, I got a wart.  Knowing of the salicylic acid method
*and having some pure salicylic acid, I put some on the wart (moistened
*with water).  I had to keep reapplying it since it would dry up and fall
*off, but the wart was gone quickly.  It worked great!  I don't know how
*strong the commercial wart removers are, but 100% salicylic acid worked
*great for me.
*
*My skin isn't bothered by much this side of hot concentrated sulfuric
*acid, others may react to 100% salicylic acid in a not so nice way.
james@no.spam.please - 02 Feb 2005 06:10 GMT
>what's wrong with silver nitrate, liquid nitrogen or a hot nail?

I already had the salicylic acid.  The price was right, too.  (probably
used a penny's worth)
I didn't have any silver nitrate.
I didn't have any liquid nitrogen, just some very impure gaseous nitrogen.
I had a nail, but who wants pain and a scar?

The salicylic acid worked quickly and completely (wart completely gone,
no scar).  The hot nail would have left a scar.  The liquid N2 probably
would have as well.  I would have tried another method (or just saw a dr)
if the salicylic acid didn't work.
analyst - 02 Feb 2005 07:11 GMT
liquid nitrogen is commonly used for small blemishes (skin cancer).
does not leave scars. silver nitrate reacts with your body tissue,
kills cells and the affected bit falls off. it needs more than one
treatment, and until finished you'd carry black spots on your skin.
nails are the last on my list for obvious reason.

haven't heard about salicilic acit until now.

*analyst <unlisted@due2spam.on.net> writes:
*
*>what's wrong with silver nitrate, liquid nitrogen or a hot nail?
*
*I already had the salicylic acid.  The price was right, too.  (probably
*used a penny's worth)
*I didn't have any silver nitrate.
*I didn't have any liquid nitrogen, just some very impure gaseous nitrogen.
*I had a nail, but who wants pain and a scar?
*
*The salicylic acid worked quickly and completely (wart completely gone,
*no scar).  The hot nail would have left a scar.  The liquid N2 probably
*would have as well.  I would have tried another method (or just saw a dr)
*if the salicylic acid didn't work.
Archimedes Plutonium - 01 Feb 2005 10:22 GMT
> >Then there is the salicylic acid method. Trouble with it is that it
> >takes years for it to do anything and the wart seems to manage to grow
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> My skin isn't bothered by much this side of hot concentrated sulfuric
> acid, others may react to 100% salicylic acid in a not so nice way.

My half used bottle says 17% salicylic acid. And at one time I was thinking
of asking the pharmacist if he could find me a bottle of 50% or more
salicylic acid because the wart seemed to bounce back every time I pulled
the scab off after being there for a month.

But I guess that pure acid may kill normal cells and who knows whether so
much acid may cause skin cancer or some other cancer.

Nay, after years of being on this acid treatment, I have concluded it does
not work and is a waste of time and money. And worse yet is the freeze
cannisters which are a huge money waste.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
HNO3 - 02 Feb 2005 01:05 GMT
Archie Poo would do good to get together with KellyClarksonTV....

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.chem/browse_frm/thread/4c66883edb003000/
7b966300cc9c8297#7b966300cc9c8297

mike - 02 Feb 2005 23:35 GMT
> I have been battling warts for years now, about 10 of them. I have
> 4 remaining; 2 on hands and 2 on foot. I believe I got them when I
> lived on  the East Coast and using rubber gloves and  using rubber
> massage sandals.

[...]

A painless,  bloodless  and inexpensive method is to  simply  put an
ordinary Band-aid  over  the  wart  and  keep  the  pad  soaked with
high-ionic colloidal silver. It will penetrate the root and kill the
virus. The wart will disappear in 4 to 5 days with no scar.

I have  removed moles on my arm this way, and I can  no  longer find
any evidence  of  where they were. I have never had  a  cold  or flu
since I  started taking cs in 1996. It also works  great  for burns,
cuts, abrasions, acne, boils, toothaches, cold sores, pink  eye, and
any kind of infection. After killing any bacteria, it actually helps
heal a  wound. The result is the pain disappears,  and  several days
later you  cannot  find where you cut yourself even  using  a stereo
zoom microscope.

For best  results,  the ion concentration  of  the  colloidal silver
should be fairly strong, and should measure 20 microsiemens  (uS) or
more on  a Hanna 98308 Pure Water Tester (PWT). You can  ignore most
product claims on ion concentration since they are usually wildly in
error. Very few of the generators on the market can reach  20uS, but
the Silverpuppy by Coyote Zenterprises will do so:

http://www.silverpuppy.com/

Right now, it is quite difficult to get much above 22uS, but  I will
soon post instructions on how to exceed that limit.

You can  order a PWT from Trem Williams, the West  Coast Distributor
for Hanna. His address and web site are:

Trem Williams
mailto: customer_service@silvergen.com
http://www.silvergen.com

You can also make your own generator. There is a  simple description
for one on my Shingles page (Caution - graphic photos)

http://geocities.com/mrmonett/shingles/0shin.htm

The generator  described in the article is quite  primitive,  and is
only capable  of  10  to  12 uS. I  am  preparing  a  web  site that
discusses a  simple method of improving the performance  of  most of
the silver  generators  on the market,  including  the  one descibed
above, and will post the url soon.

Once you  have killed your warts, you will find many other  uses for
this amazing substance. It kills bacterial, viruses, and most fungal
infections. For  example,  the   Herpes   Zoster  virus  that causes
Shingles is one of the hardest viruses to kill, but colloidal silver
does an excellent job.
It is truly a Gift from the Gods.

Best Wishes,

Mike Monett
maison.mousse - 03 Feb 2005 08:31 GMT
Re: silver colloid:

microsiemens (uS) is a measure of electrical conductivity. A colloid is
not ionic. The very act of trying to measure the conductivity of a true
colloid would likely
cause the colloid to clump. The best way of determining
the concentration of a colloid without conducting standard
chemical test is by using a laser or polarized light source and meter.
Others may comment on what is
known
of the medical uses of colloidal silver other than as a topical antiseptic.
I do not know of any.

This link may be help full   http://www.uq.edu.au/_School_Science_Lessons/
JOL

"Silver hydrosol (by reduction with ferrous citrate)

Prepare the following solutions:

Silver nitrate (10%): Dissolve 1.1 g AgNO3 in 10 mL distilled or deionized
water.

Ferrous sulfate (30%): Dissolve 4.3 g FeSO4.7H2O in 10 mL distilled or
deionized water.

Sodium citrate (40%): Dissolve 6.6 g Na3C6H5O7.2H2O in 10 mL distilled or
deionized water.

Combine the latter two solutions, neutralize to litmus with a few drops of
conc. sodium hydroxide and quickly add it to the silver nitrate solution.
.......  On filtering the suspended silver passed through the filter while
the precipitated silver was retained.  Wash the precipitate on the filter
with ammonium nitrate solution (7 g in 100 mL distilled or deionized water).
Note that little or none of the precipitate dissolves to pass through the
filter.  Here the ammonium cation acts to neutralize the charge on the
silver micelles thus inhibiting their dispersion.  However the precipitated
colloidal silver is "reversible", that is it can be dispersed by removing
the neutralizing cations.  Wash the precipitate on the filter with distilled
or deionized water. The silver will now disperse in the water and pass
through the filter.  The resulting silver hydrosol may present a color
ranging from bright red to a very deep
red-brown"   process by  Norm Stanley

Note: to maintain stabilizer must be added.
Mike Monett - 03 Feb 2005 16:51 GMT
> Re: silver colloid:
>
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>
> Note: to maintain stabilizer must be added.

JOL,

The term "colloidal silver" is a misnomer, but is used for historical reasons. It
is not made by chemical means.

The active portion of the colloidal silver solution is the ions released from a
silver anode. This is prepared by passing a controlled current through distilled
water. Ideally, the result is Ag(+) and OH(-) ions in solution. The ion
concentration can be measured with standard conductivity probes, Ion Selective
Electrodes, Atomic Absorption Analysis, the Salt test, and various other methods.
Measuring the conductivity will not affect the ions.

If the process is not well-controlled, the Ag(+) and OH(-) ions combine in the
Nernst Diffusion Layer at each electrode. This produces various silver oxides and
hydroxides that agglomerate due to van der Waals force. The oxides are inert and
have no useful biological effect. High concentrations in the body may cause
Argyria. The particles do not contribute to the conductivity of the solution and
cannot be measured with a Hanna PWT.

When the particles become large enough, they can be seen by passing a laser
through the solution as a Tyndall effect. The wavelength of red lasers used in
pointers is 635 or 650 nm. The particles have to be larger than about 1/10 of the
wavelength of the laser before the effect becomes visible.

When the particles become large enough to absorb the blue portion of the
spectrum, the resulting solution begins to show a yellow tint. If the water is
heated while current is applied, the particles can become very large and give a
deep red tint to the solution.

Ideally, the collidal silver as we use it should be clear. The presence of any
color or Tyndall effect is an indication that particles are present, and the
process is badly controlled.

Until now, all colloidal silvers prepared by electrolysis contained some
percentage of oxides as an unavoidable part of the process. The production of
oxides limits the maximum concentration of ions that can be reached for that
process. Conventional methods are highly variable and difficult to control.

I have developed a simple way to prevent the formation of oxides, and the
resulting solution is much stronger and highly repeatable. The process is much
faster which makes it less expensive. It is well suited for scaling up for
industrial applications.

Mike Monett
Marshall Dudley - 03 Feb 2005 19:36 GMT
> Re: silver colloid:
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> of the medical uses of colloidal silver other than as a topical antiseptic.
> I do not know of any.

He is actually speaking of what is now commonly termed EIS, or Electrolysis
Isolated Silver. This is commonly called colloidal silver, although it only
typically has about 10% colloidal content, and the other 90% is ionic, a
combination of silver hydroxide and silver oxide.  A laser is a good way to get
a feel for the colloidal content, the ionic content can be measured reasonably
well with conductance.  If you know the ratio, then either can get you pretty
close to what you have in total.

EIS will kill bacteria, fungus, mold.  It also affects virus particles
negatively as well although I have yet to hear any theory that explains why.
The ionic portion also allows injured cells, and red blood cells when clotting,
to revert to stem cells, thus allowing them to redifferentiate to what is needed
to repair tissue without scarring.. This works great for burns, which is now
widely accepted, as well as other abrasions and so forth, in which it will allow
healing without scarring.  See Robert Becker's "The Electric Body" for a very
good reference on this.

When a small amount is added to a carton of milk it can make it last weeks, and
sometimes even months past the expiration date.

Marshall
Archimedes Plutonium - 03 Feb 2005 09:38 GMT
> > I have been battling warts for years now, about 10 of them. I have
> > 4 remaining; 2 on hands and 2 on foot. I believe I got them when I
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> I have  removed moles on my arm this way, and I can  no  longer find
> any evidence  of  where they were. I have never had  a  cold  or flu

It does not work. The above is false. False not only for warts but for
moles.
In fact, a mole is not even a microbe but a genetic spot or liver fleck.
So I doubt you ever had a mole.

Mike, you sound like some silver colloid salesman, bereft of science.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Mike Monett - 03 Feb 2005 16:25 GMT
> > > I have been battling warts for years now, about 10 of them. I have
> > > 4 remaining; 2 on hands and 2 on foot. I believe I got them when I
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> In fact, a mole is not even a microbe but a genetic spot or liver fleck.
> So I doubt you ever had a mole.

Sorry, moles and warts can be caused by viruses. Silver ions kill viruses.

> Mike, you sound like some silver colloid salesman, bereft of science.

What makes you think I sell it? Where do you see any ads?

Didn't you ask for information on colloidal silver in a recent post? I posted
detailed information on the effects of silver ions on viruses, how to make it,
and how to detect the concentration of ions. The information is true, accurate,
and reproducible. Highy scientific by any definition. Please examine the
effects for yourself, then decide.

> Archimedes Plutonium

Mike Monett
Marshall Dudley - 03 Feb 2005 19:53 GMT
> > > I have been battling warts for years now, about 10 of them. I have
> > > 4 remaining; 2 on hands and 2 on foot. I believe I got them when I
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> It does not work. The above is false. False not only for warts but for
> moles.

I don't think you can say any method does not work for warts for some
people. Heck I saw my sister get rid of warts by putting stump water on hers
when she was a kid back in the 50's.  Basically she believed it would work,
and it did.  For many people, anything or any technique (including prayer),
if they really believe it, will get rid of warts.

However I have had experience with getting rid of warts with EIS (AKA
colloidal silver) numerous times. It does work, but of course without a
double blind study, one cannot say for sure it is not simply a response to
the belief that it would work.  I have seen it take as little as a few days
and as long as a couple of months to work depending on the wart and the
person. I have found that mixing EIS with Aloe Vera seems to work much
better than either alone.

I am also aware of Aloe Vera, Duct Tape and a number of essential oils as
working as well for different people. The odd thing is that what works for
some people does not work for others.  Belief may play a big part in it,
much of it is likely a placebo effect for some people.

Although I have never used EIS for moles, I am aware of a number of people
who have had success with that as well.

> In fact, a mole is not even a microbe but a genetic spot or liver fleck.
> So I doubt you ever had a mole.

I am not sure what you are getting at here.  I don't think anyone said it
was associated with a microbe.  If it is genetic, and a defect, then the
work done by Bart Flick and Robert Becker shows that ionic silver would
likely cause the DNA to dedifferentiate and then redifferentiate producing
skin in place of the mole.  This is what appears to happen from those I have
spoken with that have used it for that.  That ionic silver does cause the
reversion of injured or defective cells and then appropriate
redifferentiation is no longer a point of contention, it is now used
worldwide for burn treatments in hospitals and specialists to promote
healing, prevent infection, and prevent scarring..

Marshall
Mike Monett - 03 Feb 2005 21:12 GMT
[... snip excellent summary]

> That ionic silver does cause the
> reversion of injured or defective cells and then appropriate
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Marshall

Marshall,

Thanks you for the excellent descriptions. Regarding the effect of silver ions
on burns, I recently burned myself badly while working with hot glue. As you
know, it is very sticky, and the first reaction is to try to brush it off. This
merely spreads it, and I received 1st and second degree burns on both hands.

The left index finger received the worst damage. The glue melted into the skin
between the first and second joints, and the skin simply fell off when I tried
to remove the glue. The rest of the finger blistered down to the tip.

I wrapped bandages around the finger and applied them to the other burns, then
kept the pads soaked with 20uS colloidal silver. The pain soon subsided, and I
was able to continue working with no discomfort whatsoever. There was never any
infection.

Over the next few days, the blisters simply disappeared and the skin went back
to normal. It took a week or so for the finger to heal, and now you cannot tell
where it was burned. There is no scar or any visible evidence of damage.

Over the years, I have used many different ointments and other cures for burns
and cuts. But nothing I have ever tried works as well as high-ionic colloidal
silver.

Mike Monett
Archimedes Plutonium - 04 Feb 2005 09:09 GMT
(snip what I wrote)

> I don't think you can say any method does not work for warts for some
> people. Heck I saw my sister get rid of warts by putting stump water
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Although I have never used EIS for moles, I am aware of a number of
> people who have had success with that as well.

Marshall, I remember reading where a percentage of all warts have a sort
of life cycle where they appear on the skin, live, grow then die
naturally and thus disappear from the skin. I forget what percentage of
warts follow this cycle. And then there are some warts that just stay
put seemingly forever unless action is taken. So I think the wart that
Mike and your sister combatted was one of those come and go virus warts
and that they would have disappeared regardless of the treatment. And
where the treatment is erroneously declared as the cause of getting rid
of the wart when in fact it vanished on its own accord.

>> In fact, a mole is not even a microbe but a genetic
>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Marshall

Question Marshall: can this silver solution, whether colloidal or ionic
or whatever, and let us call it a silver solution. Can it be transported
into the brain? I mean, will the blood brain barrier stop this silver
solution from getting into the brain? The reason I want to know is to
try experiments to see if this Silver Solution can cure Alzheimers,
Parkinsons and Prion diseases. Because if silver can kill bacteria and
to some extent fungus then it may kill the microbe that causes
Parkinsons for it is known that bacteria and fungus cause Parkinsons. It
is not yet known whether some microbe causes Alzheimers and Prion but I
am confident that microbes will be found to cause them also.

And since silver is claimed to restore damaged cells revert back to stem
cell quality and restore the cell and tissue, makes me rather hope and
think that perhaps silver solution in the brain of a Parkinsons or
Alzheimers or Prion victims perhaps just may restore them back to
original health.

So I am willing to experiment on a Silver Solution into Parkinsons and
Alzheimers and Prion victims because it kills microbes and it restores
damaged cells to original health. But I am not sure if Silver Solution
can get beyond the blood-brain barrier?

So would one have to inject a silver solution directly into the brain?

Of course the experiments would be on mice, not humans, and if all
successful that Silver Solutions do indeed solve these diseases then
upgrade and experiment on humans.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Marshall Dudley - 04 Feb 2005 16:26 GMT
> (snip what I wrote)
>
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> cause of getting rid of the wart when in fact it vanished on its own
> accord.

I and my kids and grandkids have had lots of warts over the years, and
have never seen one disappear without doing something. As I said though,
just believing that something will work is often enough.  But I have had
100% success on 4 different people including myself with a combination
of Aloe Vera and EIS mixed together.  It has to be used immediately
after mixing though as the aloe vera causes aggregation of settling of
the silver if left for a few days (or the acidity can be neutralized
with sodium bicarbonate and it will then last for a few weeks
refrigerated).

>> > In fact, a mole is not even a microbe but a genetic
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> transported into the brain? I mean, will the blood brain barrier stop
> this silver solution from getting into the brain?

There has been a lot of discussion on this issue on other lists.  A
couple of references indicate that silver is stopped by the blood brain
barrier, but there are many on these lists that do not support that
view. I have looked for several years for definitive data on that issue
and have been unable to find anything.  To add to the confusion, there
is at least one reference that indicates that the citrate form of
metals, such as silver will allow them to cross the barrier, but at
least for silver, maintaining a citrate form of the ionic portion should
be impossible once it is exposed to the HCl in the stomach and the NaCl
in the blood.  Also the reference I found that indicated that silver
does not cross the barrier also indicated that silver is toxic to brain
cells, but I can find absolutely not real research on the issue.

> The reason I want to know is to try experiments to see if this Silver
> Solution can cure Alzheimers, Parkinsons and Prion diseases. Because
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> causes Alzheimers and Prion but I am confident that microbes will be
> found to cause them also.

Most modern day Pakinsons I believe is actually misdiagnosed aspertame
poisoning, also known as Rumsfield disease.  For those people, simply
avoiding this neurotoxin is sufficient to reverse the "disease" for
those that have not sustained sufficient damage. Many of us feel that
Michael Fox, spokesman for diet Pepsi, who drinks a lot of these is one
such case. I have heard reports of stopping the progression of
Parkenson's and some recovery with silver, but have no first hand
experience with that.  With diseases of that nature, simply killing the
pathogen is not sufficient for full recovery if too much damage is done.

The general consensus of those who are researching "silver solution" is
that it has no effect on Alzheimers or prion diseases.  It may help
prevent Alzheimers if Alzheimers is caused by a pathogen, but then again
it may not if it does not cross the blood brain barrier.  Testing for
prevention would definitely be a long term study which has not to my
knowledge ever been done.  As far a prion diseases such as mad cow, I
consider it extremely unlikely that it would have any effect. These are
misfolded proteins, and are not alive by any definition of the word I
know of, and I am not aware of any indication that they are related to
microbes at all.

> And since silver is claimed to restore damaged cells revert back to
> stem cell quality and restore the cell and tissue, makes me rather
> hope and think that perhaps silver solution in the brain of a
> Parkinsons or Alzheimers or Prion victims perhaps just may restore
> them back to original health.

Many people on the silver list that I am a member of likely have
relatives who have Alzheimers. I have never heard of anyone ever getting
better. You may be right that it would allow repair if it got in the
brain, but if it does not cross the barrier, then that will not occur,
and if it did cross the barrier, then it would likely be toxic to brain
cells.

> So I am willing to experiment on a Silver Solution into Parkinsons and
> Alzheimers and Prion victims because it kills microbes and it restores
> damaged cells to original health. But I am not sure if Silver Solution
> can get beyond the blood-brain barrier?

My opinion is that it does not.  But I have not proof nor can I find any
research that supports or invalidates that position.

> So would one have to inject a silver solution directly into the brain?

I would NOT consider doing that!  If it does not cross the blood brain
barrier, then it likely is a toxin to brain cells.  Before any
researcher ever considered doing that, then animal studies should
certainly be done.  Now many people have received silver by IV without
any negative consequences, but I would never consider injecting directly
into the brain.

> Of course the experiments would be on mice, not humans, and if all
> successful that Silver Solutions do indeed solve these diseases then
> upgrade and experiment on humans.

Oh, yeh, for mice, sure you might give it a try. Be sure to do a control
group since it is likely that it is toxic to brain cells. But do mice
get Parkinsons and Alzheimers?

If you do this research I would love to hear the results. Also if you
can, give the mice some orally and then biopsy the brain to see if it
crosses the barrier or not. This is just the kind of research that needs
but be done, but it will not be done by the pharms since there is no
money in it unless it can be patented.  I am not sure if you can say
categorically that if it does not does not pass the barrier in a mouse,
the same would apply to a human, but I think it most likely that they
would behave the same.

Marshall

> Archimedes Plutonium
> www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
> whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
> of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Del Crow - 04 Feb 2005 17:12 GMT
> >  I don't think anyone said
> > it was associated with a microbe.  If it is genetic, and a defect,
> > then the work done by Bart Flick and Robert Becker shows that ionic
> > silver would likely cause the DNA to dedifferentiate and then
> > redifferentiate
*** The healing and antibacterial I've read in "The Body Electric",
but genetic??? Must look up Bart Flick***   Del

  That ionic silver does cause the reversion of injured or
> > defective cells and then appropriate redifferentiation is no longer a
> > point of contention, it is now used worldwide for burn treatments in
> > hospitals and specialists to promote healing, prevent infection, and
> > prevent scarring.

Because if silver can kill bacteria and
> to some extent fungus then it may kill the microbe that causes
> Parkinsons for it is known that bacteria and fungus cause Parkinsons. It
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> successful that Silver Solutions do indeed solve these diseases then
> upgrade and experiment on humans.

*** Well, mice, then.   Anyhow the colloidal silver can be made
quickly, inexpensively at about 30 ppm and in quantity in a modified
microwave which you might get for about $20 secondhand. Youll end up
high DC with a leftover donut- size and shape powerful magnet. Our son
made a couple for people from plans off the internet. (Uses 4 nines
silver.)***   Del
Mike Monett - 04 Feb 2005 17:50 GMT
[...]

 > Marshall, I remember reading where a percentage of all  warts have
 > a sort  of  life cycle where they appear on the  skin,  live, grow
 > then die naturally and thus disappear from the skin. I forget what
 > percentage of  warts  follow this cycle. And then  there  are some
 > warts that just stay put seemingly forever unless action is taken.
 > So I think the wart that Mike and your sister combatted was one of
 > those come and go virus warts and that they would have disappeared
 > regardless of   the   treatment.   And   where   the  treatment is
 > erroneously declared as the cause of getting rid of the  wart when
 > in fact it vanished on its own accord.

 [...]

 > Archimedes Plutonium

 Warts are  caused by viruses, which are killed by silver  ions. Here
 are some google results:

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 The Merck Manual of Diagnosis and Therapy
 Chapter 115. Viral Skin Infections

 Warts (Verrucae)

 Common, contagious, epithelial tumors caused by at least 60 types of
 human papillomavirus. (See also Genital Warts in Ch. 164.)

 Warts may appear at any age but are most frequent in  older children
 and uncommon in the elderly. Warts may be single or multiple and may
 develop by  autoinoculation.  Appearance   and  size  depend  on the
 location and on the degree of irritation and trauma. The  course may
 be variable.  Complete  regression after many months  is  usual, but
 warts may  persist for years and may recur at the same  or different
 sites. Some warts can become malignant (see Table 115-1).

 The relative importance of humoral and cell-mediated immunity is not
 clear. Because  wart virus particles exist in  the  outer epithelium
 (granular layer and beyond), they are unlikely to become deep enough
 to    serve   as   effective   antigens.   However,   patients  with
 immunosuppression from organ transplants or other causes may develop
 generalized cutaneous  infections   with   many   types  of viruses,
 including  human   papillomavirus   (HPV),   cytomegalovirus, herpes
 simplex virus,  and varicella-zoster virus. This suggests  that some
 immune  mechanisms   are   significant.   In   addition, spontaneous
 disappearance of  multiple warts in immunologically  normal patients
 who later develop lifelong immunity needs further explanation.

 Symptoms and Signs

 Common warts  (verrucae  vulgaris)   are   almost  universal  in the
 population. They  are sharply demarcated,  rough-surfaced,  round or
 irregular, firm,  and  light   gray,  yellow,  brown,  or gray-black
 nodules 2  to  10 mm in diameter. They appear  most  often  on sites
 subject to trauma (eg, fingers, elbows, knees, face) but  may spread
 elsewhere. Periungual  warts (around the nail plate) are  common, as
 are plantar warts (on the sole of the foot; see Plate  115-1), which
 are flattened  by pressure and surrounded  by  cornified epithelium.
 They may  be exquisitely tender and can be distinguished  from corns
 and calluses by their tendency to pinpoint bleeding when the surface
 is pared away. Mosaic warts are plaques formed by the coalescence of
 myriad smaller, closely set plantar warts. Filiform warts  are long,
 narrow, frondlike  growths  usually on the eyelids,  face,  neck, or
 lips. This morphologically distinctive variant of the common wart is
 benign and  easy   to   treat.   Flat   warts  (smooth, flat-topped,
 yellow-brown papules) are more common in children and  young adults,
 most often  on  the  face and along scratch  marks,  and  develop by
 autoinoculation. Variants  of  the common wart that  are  of unusual
 shape (eg,  pedunculated,  or  resembling  a  cauliflower)  are most
 frequent on  the head and neck, especially on the scalp  and bearded
 region.

 Diagnosis

 Wart viruses contain circular, double-stranded DNA, with  about 8000
 base pairs. Each type is indicated by a number and  generally causes
 clinically distinct  lesions  (see  Table 115-1).  To  qualify  as a
 separate type, DNA cross-hybridization must be < 50%;  for subtypes,
 > 50%.  Although DNA is distinctive, most HPVs,  including  those of
 bovine origin,  share   a   protein   antigen   that   can  be shown
 histologically on fixed tissue with a test that is positive  for all
 types of  HPV  and  is   useful   for  diagnosis.  When  HPVs become
 oncogenic, however, they no longer stain positive and cannot be seen
 with the electron microscope. Oncogenic HPV DNA can thus be found in
 malignant warts  by modern molecular  hybridization  DNA techniques.
 DNA typing is now available in only a few research  laboratories but
 is important for prognosis of genital warts and their consequences.

 http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section10/chapter115/115b.jsp

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 Warts are lumps of thickened and hardened skin.

 Warts are caused by a virus which infects skin cells and changes the
 way they  grow.  Warts are caused by the Human  Papilloma  Virus and
 there are 65 different Human Papilloma Viruses.

 Warts are contagious; you can catch them from other people.

 Warts usually  go away by themselves but it usually takes  between 6
 months and two years.

 You should never pick at warts. Picking at them could make  the wart
 virus spread through your body in your blood stream and  warts could
 pop up on other parts of your body.

 http://www.suzy.co.nz/suzysworld/Factpage.asp?FactSheet=246

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 What is HPV (wart virus)?

 COMMON WARTS  can be found on the hands, feet,  forearems,  and face
 and range  in  size from a pinhead to a small  bean.  They  can also
 occur on the voice box or the larynx and cause hoarseness.  They are
 rough, irregular skin growths, and are caused by a virus.

 Highly contagious, they can be spread by picking,  trimming, biting,
 or touching  them. They can also be spread on the  face  by shaving.
 Common warts most often occur onskin that is continuosly  exposed to
 friction, trauma,  or abrasion. They may be flat o  rraised,  dry or
 moist, and  have  a   rough   and   pitted  surface  that  is either
 flesh-colored or darker than the surrounding skin. They typically do
 not cause pain or itching and can be left to disappear on  their own
 unless they become bothersome.

 http://www.holistichealthtools.com/warts.html

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 Warts are  due  to an infection of the skin by  the  human papilloma
 virus. A number of different types of the human papilloma  virus can
 infect the skin.

 http://www.surgerydoor.co.uk/medical_conditions/Indices/W/warts.htm

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 Human papilloma virus

 HPV - or Human Papilloma Virus - is commonly called the  wart virus.
 More than  80  types  of HPV have been  identified,  and  they cause
 problems ranging from warts on the hands and feet, to  genital warts
 and pre-cancerous changes to the cells of the cervix.

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_doctor/human_papilloma_virus.shtml

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 One of the most common human infections in the world is  that caused
 by Human Papillomavirus (HPV). HPV, which is commonly known as "wart
 virus", is  a microscopic virus particle that infects  the  skin. In
 the case of HPV, the infection is actually localized directly to the
 infected point in the skin, as opposed to herpes simplex,  where the
 virus goes  through the skin and into the nerve cells,  traveling up
 the nerve  cell connection to the nerve ganglia by the  spinal cord,
 where the  virus lives. With HPV, the infection is  actually  in the
 skin.

 http://www.herpes-warts-treatment.com/warts/hpv.htm

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 Warts and verrucas

 Reviewed by Dr John Pillinger, GP

 What are warts?

 Warts can be transmitted indirectly, especially via hard floors like
 those found in swimming pools.

 Warts are caused by a viral infection in the skin. Ordinary warts on
 the hands and feet are caused by viruses, which only  affect humans.
 More than 60 different viruses that cause warts are known.

 http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/facts/warts.htm

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 And so on...

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