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Archimedes Plutonium - 30 Jan 2005 09:17 GMT I have been battling warts for years now, about 10 of them. I have 4 remaining; 2 on hands and 2 on foot. I believe I got them when I lived on the East Coast and using rubber gloves and using rubber massage sandals.
If not for the cost of a medical doctor to cut off a wart that is the best means of getting rid of a wart but who wants to pay $200.-$300. per wart. The cost makes this a nuisance.
Then there is the salicylic acid method. Trouble with it is that it takes years for it to do anything and the wart seems to manage to grow back after you peel off or accidentally rub off the white coating. Perhaps the acid is just not strong enough. And I feel that the companies that make this acid treatment just do not have an effective treatment to be worth selling in the first place. I think the FDA should take all of the salicylic acid treatments off the market as ineffectual and a gross waste of time and money.
Then there is the recent new freezing method packaged in a cannister with pads that spray dimethyl ether + propane. I found it very much more expensive , almost nine times the cost of salicylic acid and less effective than the acid. Neither the acid nor the freezing removed any of my last 4 warts and I have used them for years now. I think the FDA ought to remove both the acid and freeze treatments from the marketplace as ineffectual and a waste of time and money.
I read about a duct-tape method and never bothered to try it because the modus operandi is not the tape, for the tape only conditions the wart but the filing down or the scrapping of the wart once the tape is removed that eventually destroys the wart. I find that a hot bath conditions a wart much better than lugging around some tape on the wart. So it is not the tape that works but the filing away or scrapping of the wart once it is in a softened condition. So a better technique is to place the wart in a hot water or even a hot salt water bathe to soften it and then take the filing tool or scrapping tool to whittle away the wart and after several such filings the wart is made to disappear.
I tried burning off warts and it works but very painful and it leaves a damaged larger area than the wart itself.
I tried cutting a wart much like a doctor would only I do not have the anaesthesia that the doctor has. So this is painful also and then there is blood to consider.
So I disfavor both burning and cutting.
So I finally have arrived at my personal favorite method. It is quick and almost absent of pain although there is some pain. Unlike acid or freezing which takes years and a high cost and then the wart still is there, this method costs nothing and works in a matter of days or weeks.
What I do is get a sewing needle and disinfect the tip with alcohol and disinfect large fingernail clippers both the curved edge and straightedge type. So I have 3 instruments: needle, 2 fingernail clippers. So I take the wart and I pierce it as deep as I can with the disinfected needle and I pry that loose skin upwards. I jab the needle all over the wart and loosen up as much of the wart as possible, then I take the fingernail clippers and clip off that loosened skin. I do not force the needle or fingernail clippers with any pain, for I stop short of pain. Sometimes I do get a spot of blood from the needle but that is a good sign because the wart is deep. Warts are deep and that is why the acid and freezing methods are never effective.
I remember one wart that grew to 4 times its size after applying acid for about 2 years.
So the needle is the abrasion and the digging deep enough to get at the full wart and the fingernail clippers sterilized in alcohol removes all the abraded wart.
I have used this method on 2 of my last 4 warts and will see how fast I can get rid of them. Once I do I will trashcan the remaining bottles of acid and the freeze cannisters as -- modern day snakeoil quack treatments.
The FDA helped remove Vioxx, why not remove these wart treatments as ineffective time wasting and money losing medicines also. They will not kill you like Vioxx potential but they will waste your time and money.
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Wozza - 30 Jan 2005 09:41 GMT > I have been battling warts for years now, about 10 of them. I have 4 > remaining; 2 on hands and 2 on foot. I believe I got them when I lived > on the East Coast and using rubber gloves and using rubber massage > sandals. Nope, you got your warts at the Hellfire Club wearing no rubber at all.
farooq_w@hotmail.com - 30 Jan 2005 10:49 GMT > If not for the cost of a medical doctor to cut off a wart that is the > best means of getting rid of a wart but who wants to pay $200.-$300. per [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > back after you peel off or accidentally rub off the white coating. > Perhaps the acid is just not strong enough. I know of someone who was prescribed moist silver nitrate to be applied on the wart on the chin. It shriveled and dropped off in three days. But no one knows what kind of (viral perhaps) warts you have which keep on recurring. Ask your doctor about silver nitrate treatment.
maison.mousse - 30 Jan 2005 11:33 GMT farooq_w@hotmail.com a ?crit dans le message <1107082179.934745.127390@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...
>> If not for the cost of a medical doctor to cut off a wart that is the >> best means of getting rid of a wart but who wants to pay $200.-$300. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >But no one knows what kind of (viral perhaps) warts you have which keep >on recurring. Ask your doctor about silver nitrate treatment. Phenol is generally used to remove warts not cutting. If a dermatologist wants to charge more than $50 US find an other. Liquid nitrogen was all the rage one time in the US (maybe still?) but is an unneeded cost. JOL
Steve Turner - 30 Jan 2005 14:24 GMT >If not for the cost of a medical doctor to cut off a wart that is the >best means of getting rid of a wart but who wants to pay $200.-$300. per >wart. The cost makes this a nuisance. If you're good with a soldering iron you can construct a device which is claimed to remove warts electrically. See: Nuts & Volts, Feb. 2005, p. 30ff.
>The FDA helped remove Vioxx, why not remove these wart treatments as >ineffective time wasting and money losing medicines also. They will not >kill you like Vioxx potential but they will waste your time and money. 1) Get your facts straight. Merck withdrew Vioxx voluntarily. FDA had nothing to do with it.
2) Just because a particular remedy does not work for you does not mean it's ineffective "snake oil." That's what clinical trials are for. No remedy is effective on 100% of the population.
Steve Turner
Uncle Al - 30 Jan 2005 20:36 GMT > I have been battling warts for years now, [snip]
All hail the freedom-fighting warts. Hey Archie-Poo, doesn't plutonium kill them off?
Boring idiot troll.
I cannot believe how incredibly stupid Archie-Poo is. I mean rock-hard stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. Surface of Venus under 80 atmospheres of red hot carbon dioxide and sulfuric acid vapor dehydrated for 300 million years rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different sensorium of stupid. Archie-Poo is trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid so collapsed upon itself that it is within its own Schwarzschild radius. Black hole stupid. Stupid gotten so dense and massive that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Archie-Poo emits more stupid/second than our entire galaxy otherwise emits stupid/year. Quasar stupid. Nothing else in the universe can be this stupid. Archie-Poo is an oozingly putrescent primordial fragment from the original Big Bang of Stupid, a pure essence of stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that define maximally extrapolated hypergeometric n-dimensional backgroundless stupid as we can imagine it. Archie-Poo is Planck stupid, a quantum foam of stupid, a vacuum decay of stupid, a grand unified theory of stupid.
Archie-Poo is an epiphany of stupid. Archie-poo is stooopid.
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dbohara@mindspring.com - 31 Jan 2005 04:24 GMT I watched a friend get rid of knee warts once with a copper wire cooled with liquid nitrogen. I observed that a small soldering iron would really do exactly the same thing with more control but he said it was the psychological thing about heat vs cold that made the cold bearable. I suggested that stuff you put on kids hurt teeth (Anbesol) for reducing the hurt before application of heat or cold. Why not use UV light from one of those gadgets used for UV cure epoxy. They make a tiny spot and no heat but UV will kill stuff. Seems like what you really want is one of those beta emitting "seeds" they use for prostate cancer treatment. Emits very short range betas and it had half life of only a few days. Tape it to the wart and KEEEELLLLL it DeAAD. probably expensive though.
analyst - 31 Jan 2005 07:48 GMT Archie, it looks Uncle Al does not have a remedy for you. you are warthless.
*Archimedes Plutonium wrote: *> *> I have been battling warts for years now, *[snip] * *All hail the freedom-fighting warts. Hey Archie-Poo, doesn't *plutonium kill them off? * *Boring idiot troll. * *I cannot believe how incredibly stupid Archie-Poo is. I mean *rock-hard stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. Surface *of Venus under 80 atmospheres of red hot carbon dioxide and sulfuric *acid vapor dehydrated for 300 million years rock-hard stupid. Stupid *so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole *different sensorium of stupid. Archie-Poo is trans-stupid stupid. *Meta-stupid. Stupid so collapsed upon itself that it is within its *own Schwarzschild radius. Black hole stupid. Stupid gotten so dense *and massive that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. *Archie-Poo emits more stupid/second than our entire galaxy otherwise *emits stupid/year. Quasar stupid. Nothing else in the universe can *be this stupid. Archie-Poo is an oozingly putrescent primordial *fragment from the original Big Bang of Stupid, a pure essence of *stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of *physics that define maximally extrapolated hypergeometric *n-dimensional backgroundless stupid as we can imagine it. Archie-Poo *is Planck stupid, a quantum foam of stupid, a vacuum decay of stupid, *a grand unified theory of stupid. * *Archie-Poo is an epiphany of stupid. Archie-poo is stooopid.
Pelerin Galimatias - 31 Jan 2005 15:58 GMT >> I have been battling warts for years now, >[snip] [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Meta-stupid. ... >Uncle Al The picture of Archimedes sitting in his bath tub sticking pins in his wart is disgusting. UA's screed didn't help a bit.
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muha - 31 Jan 2005 05:50 GMT Liquid nitrogen is for sissies. Try freezing them with liquid oxygen instead - and then setting them on fire!
Now, seriously, I feell very sorry for your warts. They must feel pretty depressed, all four of them. Maybe you should sometimes take them with you - on your next bareback cruise.
Brian Webb - 01 Feb 2005 04:22 GMT "Archimedes Plutonium" <a_plutonium@iw.net> wrote...
> I have been battling warts for years now, about 10 of them. I have 4 > remaining; 2 on hands and 2 on foot. I believe I got them when I lived > on the East Coast and using rubber gloves and using rubber massage > sandals. <snip>
> What I do is get a sewing needle and disinfect the tip with alcohol and > disinfect large fingernail clippers both the curved edge and > straightedge type. <snip>
> So the needle is the abrasion and the digging deep enough to get at the > full wart and the fingernail clippers sterilized in alcohol removes all > the abraded wart. <snip>
> The FDA helped remove Vioxx, why not remove these wart treatments as > ineffective time wasting and money losing medicines also. They will not > kill you like Vioxx potential but they will waste your time and money. If you had discovered the needle trick earlier, the acid would have penetrated deeper and worked fine. I had a 100% success rate. An Xacto knife and needle-nose pliers come in handy too.
- Brian
Archimedes Plutonium - 01 Feb 2005 10:14 GMT (snip what I wrote)
> If you had discovered the needle trick earlier, the acid would have > penetrated deeper and worked fine. I had a 100% success rate. An > Xacto knife and needle-nose pliers come in handy too. > > - Brian Nay. The method of needle and fingernail clipper matches the method of the doctor with a scapelknife and anesthesia. The doctor can remove a wart in 10 minutes or less. And it is almost guaranteed gone.
So the needle abrades the wart and the fingernail clipper cuts and removes the abrasions. I am careful to use alcohol to sterilize the needle and clippers. Also I am very careful when working on more than one wart so as not to spread the wart virus to other parts of my body. The doctor can remove a wart in 10 minutes or less, but with my needle and clipper and no anesthesia I need several days to get all of that wart mass removed.
I found that the acid made the wart spread out more. So instead of destroying the wart it made it a larger area. It increased the area 6 fold when I started with the acid.
With the needle I am bleeding at those wart sites, much as what happens when the doctor uses the scapel. But with the acid there is never any bleeding and never any deep penetration of the wart so it only spreads out and gets worse.
There is also the factor that if the acid can kill a wart the acid can malign normal healthy cells. So I do not want to be applying acid onto bloody spots.
So my conclusion after several years of using acid method that the entire method is bogus. That acid costs money and wastes alot of time. And worst of all the acid treatment causes the wart to get larger in surface area. Where I end up having to either doctor scapel remove it or for myself to needle-clipper remove it.
I would hazard to guess that if a research were conducted on the acid treatment of warts of 1,000 people with a wart, that the acid treatment would not remove one single wart of those 1,000, and instead, that over 50% of those people will have contracted a larger surface area wart than if they had done nothing at all.
I think the FDA should investigate wart acid removers because to my experience they are nothing but snake-oil waste of time and money.
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james@no.spam.please - 01 Feb 2005 04:38 GMT >Then there is the salicylic acid method. Trouble with it is that it >takes years for it to do anything and the wart seems to manage to grow >back after you peel off or accidentally rub off the white coating. >Perhaps the acid is just not strong enough. About 10 years ago, I got a wart. Knowing of the salicylic acid method and having some pure salicylic acid, I put some on the wart (moistened with water). I had to keep reapplying it since it would dry up and fall off, but the wart was gone quickly. It worked great! I don't know how strong the commercial wart removers are, but 100% salicylic acid worked great for me.
My skin isn't bothered by much this side of hot concentrated sulfuric acid, others may react to 100% salicylic acid in a not so nice way.
analyst - 01 Feb 2005 08:40 GMT what's wrong with silver nitrate, liquid nitrogen or a hot nail?
*Archimedes Plutonium <a_plutonium@iw.net> writes: * *>Then there is the salicylic acid method. Trouble with it is that it *>takes years for it to do anything and the wart seems to manage to grow *>back after you peel off or accidentally rub off the white coating. *>Perhaps the acid is just not strong enough. * *About 10 years ago, I got a wart. Knowing of the salicylic acid method *and having some pure salicylic acid, I put some on the wart (moistened *with water). I had to keep reapplying it since it would dry up and fall *off, but the wart was gone quickly. It worked great! I don't know how *strong the commercial wart removers are, but 100% salicylic acid worked *great for me. * *My skin isn't bothered by much this side of hot concentrated sulfuric *acid, others may react to 100% salicylic acid in a not so nice way.
james@no.spam.please - 02 Feb 2005 06:10 GMT >what's wrong with silver nitrate, liquid nitrogen or a hot nail? I already had the salicylic acid. The price was right, too. (probably used a penny's worth) I didn't have any silver nitrate. I didn't have any liquid nitrogen, just some very impure gaseous nitrogen. I had a nail, but who wants pain and a scar?
The salicylic acid worked quickly and completely (wart completely gone, no scar). The hot nail would have left a scar. The liquid N2 probably would have as well. I would have tried another method (or just saw a dr) if the salicylic acid didn't work.
analyst - 02 Feb 2005 07:11 GMT liquid nitrogen is commonly used for small blemishes (skin cancer). does not leave scars. silver nitrate reacts with your body tissue, kills cells and the affected bit falls off. it needs more than one treatment, and until finished you'd carry black spots on your skin. nails are the last on my list for obvious reason.
haven't heard about salicilic acit until now.
*analyst <unlisted@due2spam.on.net> writes: * *>what's wrong with silver nitrate, liquid nitrogen or a hot nail? * *I already had the salicylic acid. The price was right, too. (probably *used a penny's worth) *I didn't have any silver nitrate. *I didn't have any liquid nitrogen, just some very impure gaseous nitrogen. *I had a nail, but who wants pain and a scar? * *The salicylic acid worked quickly and completely (wart completely gone, *no scar). The hot nail would have left a scar. The liquid N2 probably *would have as well. I would have tried another method (or just saw a dr) *if the salicylic acid didn't work.
Archimedes Plutonium - 01 Feb 2005 10:22 GMT > >Then there is the salicylic acid method. Trouble with it is that it > >takes years for it to do anything and the wart seems to manage to grow [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > My skin isn't bothered by much this side of hot concentrated sulfuric > acid, others may react to 100% salicylic acid in a not so nice way. My half used bottle says 17% salicylic acid. And at one time I was thinking of asking the pharmacist if he could find me a bottle of 50% or more salicylic acid because the wart seemed to bounce back every time I pulled the scab off after being there for a month.
But I guess that pure acid may kill normal cells and who knows whether so much acid may cause skin cancer or some other cancer.
Nay, after years of being on this acid treatment, I have concluded it does not work and is a waste of time and money. And worse yet is the freeze cannisters which are a huge money waste.
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HNO3 - 02 Feb 2005 01:05 GMT Archie Poo would do good to get together with KellyClarksonTV....
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mike - 02 Feb 2005 23:35 GMT > I have been battling warts for years now, about 10 of them. I have > 4 remaining; 2 on hands and 2 on foot. I believe I got them when I > lived on the East Coast and using rubber gloves and using rubber > massage sandals. [...]
A painless, bloodless and inexpensive method is to simply put an ordinary Band-aid over the wart and keep the pad soaked with high-ionic colloidal silver. It will penetrate the root and kill the virus. The wart will disappear in 4 to 5 days with no scar.
I have removed moles on my arm this way, and I can no longer find any evidence of where they were. I have never had a cold or flu since I started taking cs in 1996. It also works great for burns, cuts, abrasions, acne, boils, toothaches, cold sores, pink eye, and any kind of infection. After killing any bacteria, it actually helps heal a wound. The result is the pain disappears, and several days later you cannot find where you cut yourself even using a stereo zoom microscope.
For best results, the ion concentration of the colloidal silver should be fairly strong, and should measure 20 microsiemens (uS) or more on a Hanna 98308 Pure Water Tester (PWT). You can ignore most product claims on ion concentration since they are usually wildly in error. Very few of the generators on the market can reach 20uS, but the Silverpuppy by Coyote Zenterprises will do so:
http://www.silverpuppy.com/
Right now, it is quite difficult to get much above 22uS, but I will soon post instructions on how to exceed that limit.
You can order a PWT from Trem Williams, the West Coast Distributor for Hanna. His address and web site are:
Trem Williams mailto: customer_service@silvergen.com http://www.silvergen.com
You can also make your own generator. There is a simple description for one on my Shingles page (Caution - graphic photos)
http://geocities.com/mrmonett/shingles/0shin.htm
The generator described in the article is quite primitive, and is only capable of 10 to 12 uS. I am preparing a web site that discusses a simple method of improving the performance of most of the silver generators on the market, including the one descibed above, and will post the url soon.
Once you have killed your warts, you will find many other uses for this amazing substance. It kills bacterial, viruses, and most fungal infections. For example, the Herpes Zoster virus that causes Shingles is one of the hardest viruses to kill, but colloidal silver does an excellent job. It is truly a Gift from the Gods.
Best Wishes,
Mike Monett
maison.mousse - 03 Feb 2005 08:31 GMT Re: silver colloid:
microsiemens (uS) is a measure of electrical conductivity. A colloid is not ionic. The very act of trying to measure the conductivity of a true colloid would likely cause the colloid to clump. The best way of determining the concentration of a colloid without conducting standard chemical test is by using a laser or polarized light source and meter. Others may comment on what is known of the medical uses of colloidal silver other than as a topical antiseptic. I do not know of any.
This link may be help full http://www.uq.edu.au/_School_Science_Lessons/ JOL
"Silver hydrosol (by reduction with ferrous citrate)
Prepare the following solutions:
Silver nitrate (10%): Dissolve 1.1 g AgNO3 in 10 mL distilled or deionized water.
Ferrous sulfate (30%): Dissolve 4.3 g FeSO4.7H2O in 10 mL distilled or deionized water.
Sodium citrate (40%): Dissolve 6.6 g Na3C6H5O7.2H2O in 10 mL distilled or deionized water.
Combine the latter two solutions, neutralize to litmus with a few drops of conc. sodium hydroxide and quickly add it to the silver nitrate solution. ....... On filtering the suspended silver passed through the filter while the precipitated silver was retained. Wash the precipitate on the filter with ammonium nitrate solution (7 g in 100 mL distilled or deionized water). Note that little or none of the precipitate dissolves to pass through the filter. Here the ammonium cation acts to neutralize the charge on the silver micelles thus inhibiting their dispersion. However the precipitated colloidal silver is "reversible", that is it can be dispersed by removing the neutralizing cations. Wash the precipitate on the filter with distilled or deionized water. The silver will now disperse in the water and pass through the filter. The resulting silver hydrosol may present a color ranging from bright red to a very deep red-brown" process by Norm Stanley
Note: to maintain stabilizer must be added.
Mike Monett - 03 Feb 2005 16:51 GMT > Re: silver colloid: > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Note: to maintain stabilizer must be added. JOL,
The term "colloidal silver" is a misnomer, but is used for historical reasons. It is not made by chemical means.
The active portion of the colloidal silver solution is the ions released from a silver anode. This is prepared by passing a controlled current through distilled water. Ideally, the result is Ag(+) and OH(-) ions in solution. The ion concentration can be measured with standard conductivity probes, Ion Selective Electrodes, Atomic Absorption Analysis, the Salt test, and various other methods. Measuring the conductivity will not affect the ions.
If the process is not well-controlled, the Ag(+) and OH(-) ions combine in the Nernst Diffusion Layer at each electrode. This produces various silver oxides and hydroxides that agglomerate due to van der Waals force. The oxides are inert and have no useful biological effect. High concentrations in the body may cause Argyria. The particles do not contribute to the conductivity of the solution and cannot be measured with a Hanna PWT.
When the particles become large enough, they can be seen by passing a laser through the solution as a Tyndall effect. The wavelength of red lasers used in pointers is 635 or 650 nm. The particles have to be larger than about 1/10 of the wavelength of the laser before the effect becomes visible.
When the particles become large enough to absorb the blue portion of the spectrum, the resulting solution begins to show a yellow tint. If the water is heated while current is applied, the particles can become very large and give a deep red tint to the solution.
Ideally, the collidal silver as we use it should be clear. The presence of any color or Tyndall effect is an indication that particles are present, and the process is badly controlled.
Until now, all colloidal silvers prepared by electrolysis contained some percentage of oxides as an unavoidable part of the process. The production of oxides limits the maximum concentration of ions that can be reached for that process. Conventional methods are highly variable and difficult to control.
I have developed a simple way to prevent the formation of oxides, and the resulting solution is much stronger and highly repeatable. The process is much faster which makes it less expensive. It is well suited for scaling up for industrial applications.
Mike Monett
Marshall Dudley - 03 Feb 2005 19:36 GMT > Re: silver colloid: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > of the medical uses of colloidal silver other than as a topical antiseptic. > I do not know of any. He is actually speaking of what is now commonly termed EIS, or Electrolysis Isolated Silver. This is commonly called colloidal silver, although it only typically has about 10% colloidal content, and the other 90% is ionic, a combination of silver hydroxide and silver oxide. A laser is a good way to get a feel for the colloidal content, the ionic content can be measured reasonably well with conductance. If you know the ratio, then either can get you pretty close to what you have in total.
EIS will kill bacteria, fungus, mold. It also affects virus particles negatively as well although I have yet to hear any theory that explains why. The ionic portion also allows injured cells, and red blood cells when clotting, to revert to stem cells, thus allowing them to redifferentiate to what is needed to repair tissue without scarring.. This works great for burns, which is now widely accepted, as well as other abrasions and so forth, in which it will allow healing without scarring. See Robert Becker's "The Electric Body" for a very good reference on this.
When a small amount is added to a carton of milk it can make it last weeks, and sometimes even months past the expiration date.
Marshall
Archimedes Plutonium - 03 Feb 2005 09:38 GMT > > I have been battling warts for years now, about 10 of them. I have > > 4 remaining; 2 on hands and 2 on foot. I believe I got them when I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I have removed moles on my arm this way, and I can no longer find > any evidence of where they were. I have never had a cold or flu It does not work. The above is false. False not only for warts but for moles. In fact, a mole is not even a microbe but a genetic spot or liver fleck. So I doubt you ever had a mole.
Mike, you sound like some silver colloid salesman, bereft of science.
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Mike Monett - 03 Feb 2005 16:25 GMT > > > I have been battling warts for years now, about 10 of them. I have > > > 4 remaining; 2 on hands and 2 on foot. I believe I got them when I [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > In fact, a mole is not even a microbe but a genetic spot or liver fleck. > So I doubt you ever had a mole. Sorry, moles and warts can be caused by viruses. Silver ions kill viruses.
> Mike, you sound like some silver colloid salesman, bereft of science. What makes you think I sell it? Where do you see any ads?
Didn't you ask for information on colloidal silver in a recent post? I posted detailed information on the effects of silver ions on viruses, how to make it, and how to detect the concentration of ions. The information is true, accurate, and reproducible. Highy scientific by any definition. Please examine the effects for yourself, then decide.
> Archimedes Plutonium Mike Monett
Marshall Dudley - 03 Feb 2005 19:53 GMT > > > I have been battling warts for years now, about 10 of them. I have > > > 4 remaining; 2 on hands and 2 on foot. I believe I got them when I [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > It does not work. The above is false. False not only for warts but for > moles. I don't think you can say any method does not work for warts for some people. Heck I saw my sister get rid of warts by putting stump water on hers when she was a kid back in the 50's. Basically she believed it would work, and it did. For many people, anything or any technique (including prayer), if they really believe it, will get rid of warts.
However I have had experience with getting rid of warts with EIS (AKA colloidal silver) numerous times. It does work, but of course without a double blind study, one cannot say for sure it is not simply a response to the belief that it would work. I have seen it take as little as a few days and as long as a couple of months to work depending on the wart and the person. I have found that mixing EIS with Aloe Vera seems to work much better than either alone.
I am also aware of Aloe Vera, Duct Tape and a number of essential oils as working as well for different people. The odd thing is that what works for some people does not work for others. Belief may play a big part in it, much of it is likely a placebo effect for some people.
Although I have never used EIS for moles, I am aware of a number of people who have had success with that as well.
> In fact, a mole is not even a microbe but a genetic spot or liver fleck. > So I doubt you ever had a mole. I am not sure what you are getting at here. I don't think anyone said it was associated with a microbe. If it is genetic, and a defect, then the work done by Bart Flick and Robert Becker shows that ionic silver would likely cause the DNA to dedifferentiate and then redifferentiate producing skin in place of the mole. This is what appears to happen from those I have spoken with that have used it for that. That ionic silver does cause the reversion of injured or defective cells and then appropriate redifferentiation is no longer a point of contention, it is now used worldwide for burn treatments in hospitals and specialists to promote healing, prevent infection, and prevent scarring..
Marshall
Mike Monett - 03 Feb 2005 21:12 GMT [... snip excellent summary]
> That ionic silver does cause the > reversion of injured or defective cells and then appropriate [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Marshall Marshall,
Thanks you for the excellent descriptions. Regarding the effect of silver ions on burns, I recently burned myself badly while working with hot glue. As you know, it is very sticky, and the first reaction is to try to brush it off. This merely spreads it, and I received 1st and second degree burns on both hands.
The left index finger received the worst damage. The glue melted into the skin between the first and second joints, and the skin simply fell off when I tried to remove the glue. The rest of the finger blistered down to the tip.
I wrapped bandages around the finger and applied them to the other burns, then kept the pads soaked with 20uS colloidal silver. The pain soon subsided, and I was able to continue working with no discomfort whatsoever. There was never any infection.
Over the next few days, the blisters simply disappeared and the skin went back to normal. It took a week or so for the finger to heal, and now you cannot tell where it was burned. There is no scar or any visible evidence of damage.
Over the years, I have used many different ointments and other cures for burns and cuts. But nothing I have ever tried works as well as high-ionic colloidal silver.
Mike Monett
Archimedes Plutonium - 04 Feb 2005 09:09 GMT (snip what I wrote)
> I don't think you can say any method does not work for warts for some > people. Heck I saw my sister get rid of warts by putting stump water [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Although I have never used EIS for moles, I am aware of a number of > people who have had success with that as well. Marshall, I remember reading where a percentage of all warts have a sort of life cycle where they appear on the skin, live, grow then die naturally and thus disappear from the skin. I forget what percentage of warts follow this cycle. And then there are some warts that just stay put seemingly forever unless action is taken. So I think the wart that Mike and your sister combatted was one of those come and go virus warts and that they would have disappeared regardless of the treatment. And where the treatment is erroneously declared as the cause of getting rid of the wart when in fact it vanished on its own accord.
>> In fact, a mole is not even a microbe but a genetic >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Marshall Question Marshall: can this silver solution, whether colloidal or ionic or whatever, and let us call it a silver solution. Can it be transported into the brain? I mean, will the blood brain barrier stop this silver solution from getting into the brain? The reason I want to know is to try experiments to see if this Silver Solution can cure Alzheimers, Parkinsons and Prion diseases. Because if silver can kill bacteria and to some extent fungus then it may kill the microbe that causes Parkinsons for it is known that bacteria and fungus cause Parkinsons. It is not yet known whether some microbe causes Alzheimers and Prion but I am confident that microbes will be found to cause them also.
And since silver is claimed to restore damaged cells revert back to stem cell quality and restore the cell and tissue, makes me rather hope and think that perhaps silver solution in the brain of a Parkinsons or Alzheimers or Prion victims perhaps just may restore them back to original health.
So I am willing to experiment on a Silver Solution into Parkinsons and Alzheimers and Prion victims because it kills microbes and it restores damaged cells to original health. But I am not sure if Silver Solution can get beyond the blood-brain barrier?
So would one have to inject a silver solution directly into the brain?
Of course the experiments would be on mice, not humans, and if all successful that Silver Solutions do indeed solve these diseases then upgrade and experiment on humans.
Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Marshall Dudley - 04 Feb 2005 16:26 GMT > (snip what I wrote) > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > cause of getting rid of the wart when in fact it vanished on its own > accord. I and my kids and grandkids have had lots of warts over the years, and have never seen one disappear without doing something. As I said though, just believing that something will work is often enough. But I have had 100% success on 4 different people including myself with a combination of Aloe Vera and EIS mixed together. It has to be used immediately after mixing though as the aloe vera causes aggregation of settling of the silver if left for a few days (or the acidity can be neutralized with sodium bicarbonate and it will then last for a few weeks refrigerated).
>> > In fact, a mole is not even a microbe but a genetic >> > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > transported into the brain? I mean, will the blood brain barrier stop > this silver solution from getting into the brain? There has been a lot of discussion on this issue on other lists. A couple of references indicate that silver is stopped by the blood brain barrier, but there are many on these lists that do not support that view. I have looked for several years for definitive data on that issue and have been unable to find anything. To add to the confusion, there is at least one reference that indicates that the citrate form of metals, such as silver will allow them to cross the barrier, but at least for silver, maintaining a citrate form of the ionic portion should be impossible once it is exposed to the HCl in the stomach and the NaCl in the blood. Also the reference I found that indicated that silver does not cross the barrier also indicated that silver is toxic to brain cells, but I can find absolutely not real research on the issue.
> The reason I want to know is to try experiments to see if this Silver > Solution can cure Alzheimers, Parkinsons and Prion diseases. Because [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > causes Alzheimers and Prion but I am confident that microbes will be > found to cause them also. Most modern day Pakinsons I believe is actually misdiagnosed aspertame poisoning, also known as Rumsfield disease. For those people, simply avoiding this neurotoxin is sufficient to reverse the "disease" for those that have not sustained sufficient damage. Many of us feel that Michael Fox, spokesman for diet Pepsi, who drinks a lot of these is one such case. I have heard reports of stopping the progression of Parkenson's and some recovery with silver, but have no first hand experience with that. With diseases of that nature, simply killing the pathogen is not sufficient for full recovery if too much damage is done.
The general consensus of those who are researching "silver solution" is that it has no effect on Alzheimers or prion diseases. It may help prevent Alzheimers if Alzheimers is caused by a pathogen, but then again it may not if it does not cross the blood brain barrier. Testing for prevention would definitely be a long term study which has not to my knowledge ever been done. As far a prion diseases such as mad cow, I consider it extremely unlikely that it would have any effect. These are misfolded proteins, and are not alive by any definition of the word I know of, and I am not aware of any indication that they are related to microbes at all.
> And since silver is claimed to restore damaged cells revert back to > stem cell quality and restore the cell and tissue, makes me rather > hope and think that perhaps silver solution in the brain of a > Parkinsons or Alzheimers or Prion victims perhaps just may restore > them back to original health. Many people on the silver list that I am a member of likely have relatives who have Alzheimers. I have never heard of anyone ever getting better. You may be right that it would allow repair if it got in the brain, but if it does not cross the barrier, then that will not occur, and if it did cross the barrier, then it would likely be toxic to brain cells.
> So I am willing to experiment on a Silver Solution into Parkinsons and > Alzheimers and Prion victims because it kills microbes and it restores > damaged cells to original health. But I am not sure if Silver Solution > can get beyond the blood-brain barrier? My opinion is that it does not. But I have not proof nor can I find any research that supports or invalidates that position.
> So would one have to inject a silver solution directly into the brain? I would NOT consider doing that! If it does not cross the blood brain barrier, then it likely is a toxin to brain cells. Before any researcher ever considered doing that, then animal studies should certainly be done. Now many people have received silver by IV without any negative consequences, but I would never consider injecting directly into the brain.
> Of course the experiments would be on mice, not humans, and if all > successful that Silver Solutions do indeed solve these diseases then > upgrade and experiment on humans. Oh, yeh, for mice, sure you might give it a try. Be sure to do a control group since it is likely that it is toxic to brain cells. But do mice get Parkinsons and Alzheimers?
If you do this research I would love to hear the results. Also if you can, give the mice some orally and then biopsy the brain to see if it crosses the barrier or not. This is just the kind of research that needs but be done, but it will not be done by the pharms since there is no money in it unless it can be patented. I am not sure if you can say categorically that if it does not does not pass the barrier in a mouse, the same would apply to a human, but I think it most likely that they would behave the same.
Marshall
> Archimedes Plutonium > www.iw.net/~a_plutonium > whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots > of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies Del Crow - 04 Feb 2005 17:12 GMT > > I don't think anyone said > > it was associated with a microbe. If it is genetic, and a defect, > > then the work done by Bart Flick and Robert Becker shows that ionic > > silver would likely cause the DNA to dedifferentiate and then > > redifferentiate *** The healing and antibacterial I've read in "The Body Electric", but genetic??? Must look up Bart Flick*** Del
That ionic silver does cause the reversion of injured or
> > defective cells and then appropriate redifferentiation is no longer a > > point of contention, it is now used worldwide for burn treatments in > > hospitals and specialists to promote healing, prevent infection, and > > prevent scarring. Because if silver can kill bacteria and
> to some extent fungus then it may kill the microbe that causes > Parkinsons for it is known that bacteria and fungus cause Parkinsons. It [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > successful that Silver Solutions do indeed solve these diseases then > upgrade and experiment on humans. *** Well, mice, then. Anyhow the colloidal silver can be made quickly, inexpensively at about 30 ppm and in quantity in a modified microwave which you might get for about $20 secondhand. Youll end up high DC with a leftover donut- size and shape powerful magnet. Our son made a couple for people from plans off the internet. (Uses 4 nines silver.)*** Del
Mike Monett - 04 Feb 2005 17:50 GMT [...]
> Marshall, I remember reading where a percentage of all warts have > a sort of life cycle where they appear on the skin, live, grow > then die naturally and thus disappear from the skin. I forget what > percentage of warts follow this cycle. And then there are some > warts that just stay put seemingly forever unless action is taken. > So I think the wart that Mike and your sister combatted was one of > those come and go virus warts and that they would have disappeared > regardless of the treatment. And where the treatment is > erroneously declared as the cause of getting rid of the wart when > in fact it vanished on its own accord.
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> Archimedes Plutonium
Warts are caused by viruses, which are killed by silver ions. Here are some google results:
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The Merck Manual of Diagnosis and Therapy Chapter 115. Viral Skin Infections
Warts (Verrucae)
Common, contagious, epithelial tumors caused by at least 60 types of human papillomavirus. (See also Genital Warts in Ch. 164.)
Warts may appear at any age but are most frequent in older children and uncommon in the elderly. Warts may be single or multiple and may develop by autoinoculation. Appearance and size depend on the location and on the degree of irritation and trauma. The course may be variable. Complete regression after many months is usual, but warts may persist for years and may recur at the same or different sites. Some warts can become malignant (see Table 115-1).
The relative importance of humoral and cell-mediated immunity is not clear. Because wart virus particles exist in the outer epithelium (granular layer and beyond), they are unlikely to become deep enough to serve as effective antigens. However, patients with immunosuppression from organ transplants or other causes may develop generalized cutaneous infections with many types of viruses, including human papillomavirus (HPV), cytomegalovirus, herpes simplex virus, and varicella-zoster virus. This suggests that some immune mechanisms are significant. In addition, spontaneous disappearance of multiple warts in immunologically normal patients who later develop lifelong immunity needs further explanation.
Symptoms and Signs
Common warts (verrucae vulgaris) are almost universal in the population. They are sharply demarcated, rough-surfaced, round or irregular, firm, and light gray, yellow, brown, or gray-black nodules 2 to 10 mm in diameter. They appear most often on sites subject to trauma (eg, fingers, elbows, knees, face) but may spread elsewhere. Periungual warts (around the nail plate) are common, as are plantar warts (on the sole of the foot; see Plate 115-1), which are flattened by pressure and surrounded by cornified epithelium. They may be exquisitely tender and can be distinguished from corns and calluses by their tendency to pinpoint bleeding when the surface is pared away. Mosaic warts are plaques formed by the coalescence of myriad smaller, closely set plantar warts. Filiform warts are long, narrow, frondlike growths usually on the eyelids, face, neck, or lips. This morphologically distinctive variant of the common wart is benign and easy to treat. Flat warts (smooth, flat-topped, yellow-brown papules) are more common in children and young adults, most often on the face and along scratch marks, and develop by autoinoculation. Variants of the common wart that are of unusual shape (eg, pedunculated, or resembling a cauliflower) are most frequent on the head and neck, especially on the scalp and bearded region.
Diagnosis
Wart viruses contain circular, double-stranded DNA, with about 8000 base pairs. Each type is indicated by a number and generally causes clinically distinct lesions (see Table 115-1). To qualify as a separate type, DNA cross-hybridization must be < 50%; for subtypes, > 50%. Although DNA is distinctive, most HPVs, including those of bovine origin, share a protein antigen that can be shown histologically on fixed tissue with a test that is positive for all types of HPV and is useful for diagnosis. When HPVs become oncogenic, however, they no longer stain positive and cannot be seen with the electron microscope. Oncogenic HPV DNA can thus be found in malignant warts by modern molecular hybridization DNA techniques. DNA typing is now available in only a few research laboratories but is important for prognosis of genital warts and their consequences.
http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section10/chapter115/115b.jsp
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Warts are lumps of thickened and hardened skin.
Warts are caused by a virus which infects skin cells and changes the way they grow. Warts are caused by the Human Papilloma Virus and there are 65 different Human Papilloma Viruses.
Warts are contagious; you can catch them from other people.
Warts usually go away by themselves but it usually takes between 6 months and two years.
You should never pick at warts. Picking at them could make the wart virus spread through your body in your blood stream and warts could pop up on other parts of your body.
http://www.suzy.co.nz/suzysworld/Factpage.asp?FactSheet=246
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What is HPV (wart virus)?
COMMON WARTS can be found on the hands, feet, forearems, and face and range in size from a pinhead to a small bean. They can also occur on the voice box or the larynx and cause hoarseness. They are rough, irregular skin growths, and are caused by a virus.
Highly contagious, they can be spread by picking, trimming, biting, or touching them. They can also be spread on the face by shaving. Common warts most often occur onskin that is continuosly exposed to friction, trauma, or abrasion. They may be flat o rraised, dry or moist, and have a rough and pitted surface that is either flesh-colored or darker than the surrounding skin. They typically do not cause pain or itching and can be left to disappear on their own unless they become bothersome.
http://www.holistichealthtools.com/warts.html
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Warts are due to an infection of the skin by the human papilloma virus. A number of different types of the human papilloma virus can infect the skin.
http://www.surgerydoor.co.uk/medical_conditions/Indices/W/warts.htm
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Human papilloma virus
HPV - or Human Papilloma Virus - is commonly called the wart virus. More than 80 types of HPV have been identified, and they cause problems ranging from warts on the hands and feet, to genital warts and pre-cancerous changes to the cells of the cervix.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/ask_doctor/human_papilloma_virus.shtml
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One of the most common human infections in the world is that caused by Human Papillomavirus (HPV). HPV, which is commonly known as "wart virus", is a microscopic virus particle that infects the skin. In the case of HPV, the infection is actually localized directly to the infected point in the skin, as opposed to herpes simplex, where the virus goes through the skin and into the nerve cells, traveling up the nerve cell connection to the nerve ganglia by the spinal cord, where the virus lives. With HPV, the infection is actually in the skin.
http://www.herpes-warts-treatment.com/warts/hpv.htm
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Warts and verrucas
Reviewed by Dr John Pillinger, GP
What are warts?
Warts can be transmitted indirectly, especially via hard floors like those found in swimming pools.
Warts are caused by a viral infection in the skin. Ordinary warts on the hands and feet are caused by viruses, which only affect humans. More than 60 different viruses that cause warts are known.
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/facts/warts.htm
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Mike Monett
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