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Vaso-Vagal Syncope ?

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bluebird_621@yahoo.com - 28 Jan 2005 20:07 GMT
My mother and grandmother both have been diagnosed with vaso-vagal
syncope.  I too from time to time experience vaso-vagal symptoms and
pass out.  Then other times I experience dizziness and sweating and I
feel like I'm going to faint, and then I vomit and I feel fine.  Why is
it that vomiting helps me?  

Laura
Patrick - 29 Jan 2005 15:54 GMT
> My mother and grandmother both have been diagnosed with vaso-vagal
> syncope.  I too from time to time experience vaso-vagal symptoms and
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> Laura

That sounds to me like typical Vagal nerve "near syncope".

One can even bring it on almost voluntarily but I won't mention
the many ways.  When one vomits there is typically an abrupt
stimulation of the vagus, kind of quickly "rebooting" your
cardiovascular system to make it over simplistic.  The cranial
nerves are interesting things, that is one of the reasons why
we study them even as early as sophmore undergraduate
school.

Patrick
wc - 29 Jan 2005 19:31 GMT
I have had a long career that includes several daily vena punctures,
to start intervenous fluids.

It's amazing how many males will have a vaso vagal reaction at the
mere thought of getting stuck with a needle -- the pale face, the
cold sweat, the whole thing.  How I handled their swoons:  "How
old did you say you were?"  answer (example), "twenty five" -- "then
act like it!!"  This cruel sounding remark of mine made the patient
angry, and an instantaneous rise in their blood pressure, and the
swoon had vanished.  I then apologize to them, and explain why I
did it and then we proceed with the needle, and all is well.  Try
it on your next swooner.  It will probably work on a female, too.

Will, crna
Carey Gregory - 30 Jan 2005 07:54 GMT
>It's amazing how many males will have a vaso vagal reaction at the
>mere thought of getting stuck with a needle -- the pale face, the
>cold sweat, the whole thing.  

It hasn't escaped my notice that needle swooners are usually male, young,
healthy, and "tough."

>How I handled their swoons:  "How
>old did you say you were?"  answer (example), "twenty five" -- "then
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>did it and then we proceed with the needle, and all is well.  Try
>it on your next swooner.  It will probably work on a female, too.

That's probably a small stroke of genius.
Timothy Swift - 01 Feb 2005 14:04 GMT
So, I have a new client (I'm a marriage and family therapist), who revealed
he had an episode of vaso vagal and feel hitting his head.  He went to the
ER and they diagnosed this syndrome and he was released the following day.
He had "died" in the ER, the staff had put him into afribolation(sp) and he
was "paddled" twice.  After d/c the patient reported feel more affectionate
towards others and "acted out" on those feelings.  Is there any coorelation
here?  Please enlighten me.  Tim
MC60614 - 02 Feb 2005 02:49 GMT
Gld to be alive I would think... MC
Carey Gregory - 02 Feb 2005 06:19 GMT
>So, I have a new client (I'm a marriage and family therapist), who revealed
>he had an episode of vaso vagal and feel hitting his head.  He went to the
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>towards others and "acted out" on those feelings.  Is there any coorelation
>here?  Please enlighten me.  Tim

He went into cardiac arrest in the ER, was defibrillated twice, and was
released the next day?

The only correlation that comes to my mind is psychiatric.  Recommend you
check your bullshit sensor on this one.  
 
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