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Lipitor & Xenical = eat anything you want?

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Buck - 28 Jan 2005 01:34 GMT
Theoretically if you were to take Xenical so your weight did not go
up, and take Lipitor so your cholesterol remained normal, would that
mean you could eat everything to your hearts content without ever
having any health problems? Just wondering :)
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 28 Jan 2005 03:05 GMT
Why, yes, of course. The goal of modern technology is to allow human
beings to live 100 years on nothing but Whoppers, Krispy-Kremes, and
pills. Stand out of the way--this is progress. Because if it weren't
for the pills, modern man would be attempting it on just the Whoppers
and Krispy-Kremes.

SBH
Happy Dog - 28 Jan 2005 03:13 GMT
"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <sbharris@ix.netcom.com>

> Why, yes, of course. The goal of modern technology is to allow human
> beings to live 100 years on nothing but Whoppers, Krispy-Kremes, and
> pills. Stand out of the way--this is progress. Because if it weren't
> for the pills, modern man would be attempting it on just the Whoppers
> and Krispy-Kremes.

Speaking of which, I just saw "Super Size Me".  It's a pathetic piece of
propaganda.  At least Moore's stuff is entertaining.  This idiot did a
perfect impersonation of a child pretending to be sick to get out of school.

moo
Buck - 28 Jan 2005 04:12 GMT
Please don't veer off the subject, before you know it everyone will be
talking about "Super Size Me" and ignoring my question.

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>moo
Happy Dog - 28 Jan 2005 12:16 GMT
"Buck" <buck@toothed.oo> wrote in message

> Please don't veer off the subject, before you know it everyone will be
> talking about "Super Size Me" and ignoring my question.

Your question was banally stupid.  You suffixed it with a smiley so most
people assume you knew this.  You don't believe it's a serious query.  It
deserves the answer it got.  And, top posting is a sign of Usenet
inexperience.

moo

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Buck - 28 Jan 2005 22:47 GMT
>You suffixed it with a smiley so most
>people assume you knew this.  You don't believe it's a serious query.  It
>deserves the answer it got.

Wow your take on reality is seriously skewed, lol

>And, top posting is a sign of Usenet
>inexperience.

Oh god, another geek complaining about top posting, get a life.
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 29 Jan 2005 00:02 GMT
Your premises are wrong. Xenical inhibits some fraction of fat
absorption, but if you eat a great deal of fat, you'll still absorb
lots and have lots go into your colon. So if whatever your heart
desires includes lots of fat, you'll be spending most of your time on
the toilet, and when you get off, you'll still have gained weight.
Buck - 29 Jan 2005 00:55 GMT
   Sorry about calling you a name before I take it back now that
you've answered my question seriously. My question is of course
thoeretical, but I'm not saying if one gorged oneself. Let's just say
if someone ate fatty foods somewhat more than moderately.
    How would the fat going into the colon affect the weight? Doesn't
that pass through and not add weight? And let's say the person does
lose the weight (I know with Xenical it works for some and not for
others, so it's luck) and doesn't care about spending time in the
toilet :)
     This question could also be posed for the next drug that is
better than Xenical, took away more fat, and made you go to the
bathroom less. This is just theoretical. So in the end the question
is, how would this affect your health (taking a cholesterol lowering
drug with it of course), would your health not be affected anymore?

>Your premises are wrong. Xenical inhibits some fraction of fat
>absorption, but if you eat a great deal of fat, you'll still absorb
>lots and have lots go into your colon. So if whatever your heart
>desires includes lots of fat, you'll be spending most of your time on
>the toilet, and when you get off, you'll still have gained weight.
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 29 Jan 2005 01:37 GMT
Any fat which escapes being absorbed will go the colon, where it will
cause distressing symptoms of gas, diarrhea, etc. So it's going to be
impossible to make a drug which is better than Xenical without making
one that has more side effects too.

If you ignore the side effects, yes, these drugs act a bit like
intestinal bypass. Some of your food calories passes through without
being absorbed (you ordinarly get more than 90% of food calories-- your
body is very efficient digestively), and heath-wise this is no
different than scraping half your dinner into the toilet directly. In
theory, it should work as well. But you don't get to taste it if you do
the toilet treatment directly, you say. Well, there's still the old
vomitorium after the feast. Of course, your teeth suffer.

SBH
Buck - 28 Jan 2005 04:09 GMT
Uh I'm new to this group, are there any professionals here or only
sarcastic twits here?

>Why, yes, of course. The goal of modern technology is to allow human
>beings to live 100 years on nothing but Whoppers, Krispy-Kremes, and
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>SBH
 
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