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Why Men Are Better Than Women in Science and Math

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sorry_no_email@yahoo.com - 24 Jan 2005 14:30 GMT
The fact that men have more insulation (or white matter) around their
brain neurons means there are less "short-ciruits" when forming
thoughts.  This enables them to pursue a train of thought in more
depth, and thus explains their advantage in science and math.  See the
following article for more information.

An excerpt:

"Overall size aside, some evidence suggests that female brains are
relatively more endowed with gray matter - the prized neurons thought
to do the bulk of the brain's thinking - while men's brains are packed
with more white matter, the tissue between neurons."

From:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/24/science/24women.html?hp&ex=1106629200&en=36395
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The entire article:

<quote>
January 24, 2005
Gray Matter and the Sexes: A Scientific Gray Area
By NATALIE ANGIER and KENNETH CHANG

When Lawrence H. Summers, the president of Harvard, suggested this
month that one factor in women's lagging progress in science and
mathematics might be innate differences between the sexes, he slapped a
bit of brimstone into a debate that has simmered for decades. And
though his comments elicited so many fierce reactions that he quickly
apologized, many were left to wonder: Did he have a point?

Has science found compelling evidence of inherent sex disparities in
the relevant skills, or perhaps in the drive to succeed at all costs,
that could help account for the persistent paucity of women in science
generally, and at the upper tiers of the profession in particular?

Researchers who have explored the subject of sex differences from every
conceivable angle and organ say that yes, there are a host of
discrepancies between men and women - in their average scores on tests
of quantitative skills, in their attitudes toward math and science, in
the architecture of their brains, in the way they metabolize
medications, including those that affect the brain.

Yet despite the desire for tidy and definitive answers to complex
questions, researchers warn that the mere finding of a difference in
form does not mean a difference in function or output inevitably
follows.

"We can't get anywhere denying that there are neurological and hormonal
differences between males and females, because there clearly are," said
Virginia Valian, a psychology professor at Hunter College who wrote the
1998 book "Why So Slow? The Advancement of Women." "The trouble we have
as scientists is in assessing their significance to real-life
performance."

For example, neuroscientists have shown that women's brains are about
10 percent smaller than men's, on average, even after accounting for
women's comparatively smaller body size.

But throughout history, people have cited anatomical distinctions in
support of overarching hypotheses that turn out merely to reflect the
societal and cultural prejudices of the time.

A century ago, the French scientist Gustav Le Bon pointed to the
smaller brains of women - closer in size to gorillas', he said - and
said that explained the "fickleness, inconstancy, absence of thought
and logic, and incapacity to reason" in women.

Overall size aside, some evidence suggests that female brains are
relatively more endowed with gray matter - the prized neurons thought
to do the bulk of the brain's thinking - while men's brains are packed
with more white matter, the tissue between neurons.

To further complicate the portrait of cerebral diversity, new brain
imaging studies from the University of California, Irvine, suggest that
men and women with equal I.Q. scores use different proportions of their
gray and white matter when solving problems like those on intelligence
tests.

Men, they said, appear to devote 6.5 times as much of their gray matter
to intelligence-related tasks as do women, while women rely far more
heavily on white matter to pull them through a ponder.

What such discrepancies may or may not mean is anyone's conjecture.

"It is cognition that counts, not the physical matter that does the
cognition," argued Nancy Kanwisher, a professor of neuroscience at the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

When they do study sheer cognitive prowess, many researchers have been
impressed with how similarly young boys and girls master new tasks.

"We adults may think very different things about boys and girls, and
treat them accordingly, but when we measure their capacities, they're
remarkably alike," said Elizabeth Spelke, a professor of psychology at
Harvard. She and her colleagues study basic spatial, quantitative and
numerical abilities in children ranging from 5 months through 7 years.

"In that age span, you see a considerable number of the pieces of our
mature capacities for spatial and numerical reasoning coming together,"
Dr. Spelke said. "But while we always test for gender differences in
our studies, we never find them."

In adolescence, though, some differences in aptitude begin to emerge,
especially when it comes to performance on standardized tests like the
SAT. While average verbal scores are very similar, boys have outscored
girls on the math half of the dreaded exam by about 30 to 35 points for
the past three decades or so.

Nor is the masculine edge in math unique to the United States. In an
international standardized test administered in 2003 by the
international research group Organization for Economic Cooperation and
Development to 250,000 15-year-olds in 41 countries, boys did
moderately better on the math portion in just over half the nations.
For nearly all the other countries, there were no significant sex
differences.

But average scores varied wildly from place to place and from one
subcategory of math to the next. Japanese girls, for example, were on
par with Japanese boys on every math section save that of
"uncertainty," which measures probabilistic skills, and Japanese girls
scored higher over all than did the boys of many other nations,
including the United States.

In Iceland, girls broke the mold completely and outshone Icelandic boys
by a significant margin on all parts of the test, as they habitually do
on their national math exams. "We have no idea why this should be so,"
said Almar Midvik Halldorsson, project manager for the Educational
Testing Institute in Iceland.

Interestingly, in Iceland and everywhere else, girls participating in
the survey expressed far more negative attitudes toward math.

The modest size and regional variability of the sex differences in math
scores, as well as an attitudinal handicap that girls apparently pack
into their No. 2 pencil case, convince many researchers that neither
sex has a monopoly on basic math ability, and that culture rather than
chromosomes explains findings like the gap in math SAT scores.

Yet Dr. Summers, who said he intended his remarks to be provocative,
and other scientists have observed that while average math skillfulness
may be remarkably analogous between the sexes, men tend to display
comparatively greater range in aptitude. Males are much likelier than
females to be found on the tail ends of the bell curve, among the
superhigh scorers and the very bottom performers.

Among college-bound seniors who took the math SAT's in 2001, for
example, nearly twice as many boys as girls scored over 700, and the
ratio skews ever more male the closer one gets to the top tally of 800.
Boys are also likelier than girls to get nearly all the answers wrong.

For Dr. Summers and others, the overwhelmingly male tails of the bell
curve may be telling. Such results, taken together with assorted other
neuro-curiosities like the comparatively greater number of boys with
learning disorders, autism and attention deficit disorder, suggest to
them that the male brain is a delicate object, inherently prone to
extremes, both of incompetence and of genius.

But few researchers who have analyzed the data believe that men's
greater representation among the high-tail scores can explain more than
a small fraction of the sex disparities in career success among
scientists.

For one thing, said Kimberlee A. Shauman, a sociologist at the
University of California, Davis, getting a high score on a math
aptitude test turns out to be a poor predictor of who opts for a
scientific career, but it is an especially poor gauge for girls.
Catherine Weinberger, an economist at the University of California,
Santa Barbara, has found that top-scoring girls are only about 60
percent as likely as top-scoring boys to pursue science or engineering
careers, for reasons that remain unclear.

Moreover, men seem perfectly capable of becoming scientists without a
math board score of 790. Surveying a representative population of
working scientists and engineers, Dr. Weinberger has discovered that
the women were likelier than the men to have very high test scores.
"Women are more cautious about entering these professions unless they
have very high scores to begin with," she said.

And this remains true even though a given score on standardized math
tests is less significant for women than for men. Dr. Valian, of
Hunter, observes that among women and men taking the same advanced math
courses in college, women with somewhat lower SAT scores often do
better than men with higher scores. "The SAT's turn out to underpredict
female and overpredict male performance," she said. Again, the reasons
remain mysterious.

Dr. Summers also proposed that perhaps women did not go into science
because they found it too abstract and cold-blooded, offering as
anecdotal evidence the fact that his young daughter, when given toy
trucks, had treated them as dolls, naming them "Daddy truck" and "baby
truck."

But critics dryly observed that men had a longstanding tradition of
naming their vehicles, and babying them as though they were humans.

Yu Xie, a sociologist at the University of Michigan and a co-author
with Dr. Shauman of "Women in Science: Career Processes and Outcomes"
(2003), said he wished there was less emphasis on biological
explanations for success or failure, and more on effort and hard work.

Among Asians, he said, people rarely talk about having a gift or a
knack or a gene for math or anything else. If a student comes home with
a poor grade in math, he said, the parents push the child to work
harder.

"There is good survey data showing that this disbelief in innate
ability, and the conviction that math achievement can be improved
through practice," Dr. Xie said, "is a tremendous cultural asset in
Asian society and among Asian-Americans."

In many formerly male-dominated fields like medicine and law, women
have already reached parity, at least at the entry levels. At the
undergraduate level, women outnumber men in some sciences like biology.

Thus, many argue that it is unnecessary to invoke "innate differences"
to explain the gap that persists in fields like physics, engineering,
mathematics and chemistry. Might scientists just be slower in letting
go of baseless sexism?

C. Megan Urry, a professor of physics and astronomy at Yale who led the
American delegation to an international conference on women in physics
in 2002, said there was clear evidence that societal and cultural
factors still hindered women in science.

Dr. Urry cited a 1983 study in which 360 people - half men, half women
- rated mathematics papers on a five-point scale. On average, the men
rated them a full point higher when the author was "John T. McKay" than
when the author was "Joan T. McKay." There was a similar, but smaller
disparity in the scores the women gave.

Dr. Spelke, of Harvard, said, "It's hard for me to get excited about
small differences in biology when the evidence shows that women in
science are still discriminated against every stage of the way."

A recent experiment showed that when Princeton students were asked to
evaluate two highly qualified candidates for an engineering job - one
with more education, the other with more work experience - they picked
the more educated candidate 75 percent of the time. But when the
candidates were designated as male or female, and the educated
candidate bore a female name, suddenly she was preferred only 48
percent of the time.

The debate is sure to go on.

Sandra F. Witelson, a professor of psychiatry and behavioral
neurosciences at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, said biology
might yet be found to play some role in women's careers in the
sciences.
"People have to have an open mind," Dr. Witelson said.
</quote>
Lady Chatterly - 24 Jan 2005 15:31 GMT
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>The entire article:

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>When Lawrence H. Summers, the president of Harvard, suggested this
>month that one factor in women's lagging progress in science and
>mathematics might be innate differences between the sexes, he slapped a
>bit of brimstone into a debate that has simmered for decades. And
>though his comments elicited so many fierce reactions that he quickly
>apologized, many were left to wonder: Did he have a point?

For those men fought one hellacious war.

>Has science found compelling evidence of inherent sex disparities in
>the relevant skills, or perhaps in the drive to succeed at all costs,
>that could help account for the persistent paucity of women in science
>generally, and at the upper tiers of the profession in particular?

You don't seem very certain.

>Researchers<THWACK>

I bet you say that to all the guys who suck you off. I have only one
request. If you insist on sharing your sex life with the world, would
you mind putting a condom over your head?

>"We can't get anywhere denying that there are neurological and hormonal
>differences between males and females, because there clearly are," said
>Virginia Valian, a psychology professor at Hunter College who wrote the
>1998 book "Why So Slow? The Advancement of Women." "The trouble we have
>as scientists is in assessing their significance to real-life
>performance."

Oh, yes, the universe and human stupidity, again.

>But throughout hi<WHACK>

Boy was that embarrassing for you again.

>A century ago, the French scientist Gustav Le Bon pointed to the
>smaller brains of women - closer in size to gorillas', he said - and
>said that explained the "fickleness, inconstancy, absence of thought
>and logic, and incapacity to reason" in women.

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have the for you travails and troubles.

>To further complicate the portrait of cerebral diversity, new brain
>imaging studies from the University of California, Irvine, suggest that
>men and women with equal I.Q. scores use different proportions of their
>gray and white matter when solving problems like those on intelligence
>tests.

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>Men, they said, appear to devote 6.5 times as much of their gray matter
>to intelligence-related tasks as do women, while women rely far more
>heavily on white matter to pull them through a ponder.

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>"We adults may think very different things about boys and girls, and
>treat them accordingly, but when we measure their capacities, they're
>remarkably alike," said Elizabeth Spelke, a professor of psychology at
>Harvard. She and her colleagues study basic spatial, quantitative and
>numerical abilities in children ranging from 5 months through 7 years.

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>"In that age span, you see a considerable number of the pieces of our
>mature capacities for spatial and numerical reasoning coming together,"
>Dr. Spelke said. "But while we always test for gender differences in
>our studies, we never find them."

Touresky in a database.

>In adolescence, though, some differences in aptitude begin to emerge,
>especially when it comes to performance on standardized tests like the
>SAT. While average verbal scores are very similar, boys have outscored
>girls on the math half of the dreaded exam by about 30 to 35 points for
>the past three decades or so.

And, in this clip we see witchell smirking and grinning while he reads
the news about a bereavement.

>But average scores varied wildly from place to place and from one
>subcategory of math to the next. Japanese girls, for example, were on
>par with Japanese boys on every math section save that of
>"uncertainty," which measures probabilistic skills, and Japanese girls
>scored higher over all than did the boys of many other nations,
>including the United States.

Hmm, maybe even you.

>In Iceland, girls broke the mold completely and outshone Icelandic boys
>by a significant margin on all parts of the test, as they habitually do
>on their national math exams. "We have no idea why this should be so,"
>said Almar Midvik Halldorsson, project manager for the Educational
>Testing Institute in Iceland.

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>The modest size and regional variability of the sex differences in math
>scores, as well as an attitudinal handicap that girls apparently pack
>into their No. 2 pencil case, convince many researchers that neither
>sex has a monopoly on basic math ability, and that culture rather than
>chromosomes explains findings like the gap in math SAT scores.

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something OTHER than my opinion, which means I May as wave the country
which going into the run engineers

>Yet Dr. Summers, who said he intended his remarks to be provocative,
>and other scientists have observed that while average math skillfulness
>may be remarkably analogous between the sexes, men tend to display
>comparatively greater range in aptitude. Males are much likelier than
>females to be found on the tail ends of the bell curve, among the
>superhigh scorers and the very bottom performers.

Touresky in a post secondary advertising program, and more women to
listen to this day and age.

>Among college-bound seniors who took the math SAT's in 2001, for
>example, nearly twice as many boys as girls scored over 700, and the
>ratio skews ever more male the closer one gets to the top tally of 800.
>Boys are also likelier than girls to get nearly all the answers wrong.

I just tell you how much they love you in future threads.

>For Dr. Summers and others, the overwhelmingly male tails of the bell
>curve may be telling. Such results, taken together with assorted other
>neuro-curiosities like the comparatively greater number of boys with
>learning disorders, autism and attention deficit disorder, suggest to
>them that the male brain is a delicate object, inherently prone to
>extremes, both of incompetence and of genius.

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>But few researchers who have analyzed the data believe that men's
>greater representation among the high-tail scores can explain more than
>a small fraction of the sex disparities in career success among
>scientists.

You really should ask your girlfriend. She's the one who seems
deflated.

>For one thing, said Kimberlee A. Shauman, a sociologist at the
>University of California, Davis, getting a high score on a math
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>percent as likely as top-scoring boys to pursue science or engineering
>careers, for reasons that remain unclear.

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>And this remains true even though a given score on standardized math
>tests is less significant for women than for men. Dr. Valian, of
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>female and overpredict male performance," she said. Again, the reasons
>remain mysterious.

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>Dr. Summers also proposed that perhaps women did not go into science
>because they found it too abstract and cold-blooded, offering as
>anecdotal evidence the fact that his young daughter, when given toy
>trucks, had treated them as dolls, naming them "Daddy truck" and "baby
>truck."

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>But critics dryly observed that men had a longstanding tradition of
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>Yu Xie, a sociologist at the University of Michigan and a co-author
>with Dr. Shauman of "Women in Science: Career Processes and Outcomes"
>(2003), said he wished there was less emphasis on biological
>explanations for success or failure, and more on effort and hard work.

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>Among Asians, he said, people rarely talk about having a gift or a
>knack or a gene for math or anything else. If a student comes home with
>a poor grade in math, he said, the parents push the child to work
>harder.

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>"There is good survey data showing that this disbelief in innate
>ability, and the conviction that math achievement can be improved
>through practice," Dr. Xie said, "is a tremendous cultural asset in
>Asian society and among Asian-Americans."

It sure increases the probability of such violence.

>C. Megan Urry, a professor of physics and astronomy at Yale who led the
>American delegation to an international conference on women in physics
>in 2002, said there was clear evidence that societal and cultural
>factors still hindered women in science.

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indicate otherwise.

>Dr. Spelke, of Harvard, said, "It's hard for me to get excited about
>small differences in biology when the evidence shows that women in
>science are still discriminated against every stage of the way."

Touresky in a rock and roll band.

>A recent experiment showed that when Princeton students were asked to
>evaluate two highly qualified candidates for an engineering job - one
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>candidate bore a female name, suddenly she was preferred only 48
>percent of the time.

Boy do you know what you do know of any philosophy, but in wild
conspiracies and such.

>The debate is sure to go on.

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>Sandra F. Witelson, a professor of psychiatry and behavioral
>neurosciences at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, said biology
>might yet be found to play some role in women's careers in the
>sciences.
>"People have to have an open mind," Dr. Witelson said.
></quote>

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Lady Chatterly

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I've seen (many dozens) don't allow you to change that." --
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howldog - 24 Jan 2005 18:44 GMT
>The fact that men have more insulation (or white matter) around their
>brain neurons means there are less "short-ciruits" when forming
>thoughts.  This enables them to pursue a train of thought in more
>depth, and thus explains their advantage in science and math.

possibly also allows men to continue to focus on the game on tv and
tune out any sort of annoying nag about draperies, garbage, home
repairs, shopping, etc
connor_a@hotmail.com - 24 Jan 2005 21:51 GMT
Gender parity for women in the elite professions will only occur when
feminists get off their lazy self preserving sexist backsides and share
the burdens in gender parity.
The worst and best jobs are male dominated.
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 25 Jan 2005 04:29 GMT
Well, some of these "feminists" are nothing if not hypocritical.

When men pay more for car insurance because they crash more, the
liberals are silent, and of course so are feminists. But if we made any
ethnic group (you name it) pay more for car insurance because they
crashed more, the liberals would scream murder.

Similarly, feminists have no problem charging men more for life
insurance, on the basis that men don't live as long. And this is
therefore legal. But if you try to charge women more for social
security on the basis that they live longer to collect more of it (the
exact same problem in reverse), now it's *gender discrimination* (and
illegal). Until this kind of thing stops, there's no arguing the
justice or honesty of some of these activists who call themselves
"feminists." They appear to be merely women out to get the biggest
peice of the pie they can.

SBH
howldog - 25 Jan 2005 15:03 GMT
>Well, some of these "feminists" are nothing if not hypocritical.

the very nature of feminism in itself, is hypocritical. In all too
many instances, "feminism" is women complaining about being
descriminated against by men, and all the while, these same women
descriminate against men, and are just as bad, in every conceivable
way.

>When men pay more for car insurance because they crash more, the
>liberals are silent, and of course so are feminists. But if we made any
>ethnic group (you name it) pay more for car insurance because they
>crashed more, the liberals would scream murder.

12 hours watching network tv will show you that male-bashing is now an
art form; the only legit target for satire and descrimination now is a
man, preferably white.

>Similarly, feminists have no problem charging men more for life
>insurance, on the basis that men don't live as long. And this is
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>"feminists." They appear to be merely women out to get the biggest
>peice of the pie they can.

Feminism in many cases is nothing more than a thinly disguised, if
that, version of affirmative action. The politics of minority.

I would like to add, that in some cases, abuse, violence, there are
women who could use some help and some advocacy. Unfortunately, from
what I've seen, white, middle class, college educated females arent
anywhere NEAR as far down on the food chain as they like to think they
are.
Lady Chatterly - 25 Jan 2005 15:04 GMT
>the very nature of feminism in itself, is hypocritical. In all too
>many instances, "feminism" is women complaining about being
>descriminated against by men, and all the while, these same women
>descriminate against men, and are just as bad, in every conceivable
>way.

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>Feminism in many cases is nothing more than a thinly disguised, if
>that, version of affirmative action. The politics of minority.

This was your father and mother are brother and sister?

>I would like to add, that in some cases, abuse, violence, there are
>women who could use some help and some advocacy. Unfortunately, from
>what I've seen, white, middle class, college educated females arent
>anywhere NEAR as far down on the food chain as they like to think they
>are.

If if did, and learn respect for themselves if it starts turning into
an arw fad.

--
Lady Chatterly

"So Chatterbox can use Babelfish too. Yaaaaay." -- Chris Krolczyk
 
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