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Medical Forum / General / General / February 2005bacteria/fungus cause Parkinsons; bacteria/fungus causes prion disease and not the protein itself; new evidence of prions in kidney, pancreas, liver
More evidence in support of my theory that Prion disease, like Parkinsons is caused by some microbe such as fungus, bacteria or even a virus. The new evidence is that prions are found in inflammation tissue of kidney, pancreas and liver where no prions were found before. It was assumed that much of the body was free from prions and that these proteins are found only in brain and intestine. But apparently these prions are found many other places. This agrees with my theory that the causative agent of Prion disease is not the protein itself but some microbe. In that Prion disease is a member of the Parkinsons and Alzheimers class of diseases. So if microbes cause Parkinsons (well-water microbes), then microbes cause Prion disease. And the prion proteins are merely a aftermath or result of the microbe invasion. So if microbes cause Prion disease then these proteins should be found where the microbes invade and thus not limited to just brain or intestine invasion. Last summer it was found that Parkinsons is caused by bacteria and fungus in well water. But this report on Prions is finding viruses as the cause of inflammation. Similar to Parkinsons that a microbe causes the disease, however, it maybe the case that Prion disease is not caused by a fungus or bacteria but rather instead a virus. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies So we have Parkinsons caused by well-water bacteria and fungus. And we know that in Parkinsons we have a rogue protein of alphaSynuclein. What we do not know is specifically how these bacteria and fungus cause the human body to yield rogue Alpha Synuclein proteins. Is it sort of like a allergy reaction? And since Parkinsons, Alzheimers and Prion diseases are family related diseases they have pretty much the same mechanisms in common. So if Parkinsons has a rogue alpha synuclein protein then Alzheimers has a rogue beta amyloid protein and Prion has a rogue prion protein. In Alzheimers we know somewhat how the rogue beta amyloid is formed via a rogue scissors (enyzme) cut. So we must wonder and find out how those well-water bacteria and fungus create a rogue alpha synuclein protein? And if Parkinsons is an allergy reaction to the well water bacteria and fungus then we must ask the question whether Prion proteins are an allergy reaction to some form of virus or bacteria, as per the recent announcement that prion proteins are now found in the liver, pancreas and kidneys. Perhaps prions were concentrated mostly in the brain tissue because the reaction was more conducive there. Just like a common cold virus, rhino virus affects brain tissue more then other regions of the body. But the cold virus affects the entire body and so we would find the virus not confined to just the brain, likewise the prion causing virus not confined just to the brain. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies 1: Hampton T. Related Articles, Links Infectious prions hitch ride on ferritin. JAMA. 2005 Jan 19;293(3):285. No abstract available. PMID: 15657307 [PubMed - in process] Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking <Last summer it was found that Parkinsons is caused by bacteria and fungus in well water. > Explain then why would iron binding drugs BE . .. reversing Parkinsons .. symptoms ..? Well water / ground water has NOW been shown to be polluted by the runoff of hemeiron .. bloodmeal used by the farmers for fertilizer. Research has shown the 'tracks' .. left .. BY virus' .. which lead researchers to believe it IS a virus .. is the SAME 'tracks' left by .. iron .. Oxidation / rust. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking . > <Last summer it was found that Parkinsons is caused by bacteria and > fungus in well water. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Who loves ya. > Tom Yes, thanks, I read the JAMA, Jan19 et al reports you pointed to. I have the feeling that the discovery of well-water bacteria and fungus causing Parkinsons is too far ahead or long in discovery and yet short on theory or analysis or short on mechanism. Which in fact is a better science situation than the Prusiner model for Prion disease where it is all about theory and little to no evidence or experiment. So now that we know Parkinsons is caused by well water bacteria/fungus we need to find out how these bacteria and fungus produce an oversupply of alpha-synuclein. Likewise how Alzheimers produces an oversupply of beta amyloid. Likewise how Prion produces an oversupply of prion protein. In JAMA concerning Downs syndrome it stated words to the effect "overexpression of a protein encoded by a gene on chromosome 21 blocks formation of new blood vessels" So how does the body overexpress or increase a particular protein that it should not increase?? Is this an Allergy Mechanism. If so, that is if Parkinsons is an allergy mechanism whereby well-water bacteria and well-water fungus create an allergy which then is expressed by an overproduction of alpha synuclein. Likewise for Alzheimers wherein some microbe creates an Allergy Reaction which then creates a rogue scissors that cuts beta amyloid and hence an oversupply of beta amyloid. Likewise for Prion disease where a microbe enters the animal body and sets up an Allergy Reaction which then increases the number of prion protein molecules. So I am guessing at this juncture of available data that Parkinsons and Alzheimers and Prion are all three genetic-inheritable diseases but that their onset is accelerated by the environment via a Microbe that induces an Allergy Reaction which speeds up the phenomonology of the disease. Thanks for that JAMA report. I have the feeling that we know very little as to how Allergy Reactions take place. And although we may have pinpointed the microbes for Parkinsons that it will be years before we uncover how these well-water microbes create the overexpression of alpha synuclein. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies Hi, like the animals, bacteria and virii generally have preferential grazing and are opportunistic in their environment.. Retrovirii apparently can change "genetic" human cellular protein presentation (reversible sometimes or not, unsure) The enzyme production is a jigsaw puzzle of interrelated effects. Right now I'm trying to "shift" some assumed manganese toxicity from Superoxide Dismutase.(in vivo, me). The disease is a late-onset fibrillary one, not Alz or Park.. "Allergy"? (sort of) "Genetic"?(sort of) "Well-water" (that came up high in Mn and Fe and it will go ferro-manganetic easily...no bacteria or viruses noted or tried for)All very interesting, but confusing at the same time. Incidentally the "no known treatment" seems to work. and I doubled it a few days ago. Del Crow > Hi, like the animals, bacteria and virii generally have preferential > grazing and are opportunistic in their environment.. Retrovirii [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the same time. Incidentally the "no known treatment" seems to work. > and I doubled it a few days ago. Del Crow The etiology or history of these 3 diseases of Alzheimers, Prion, and Parkinsons all suggest a microbe cause. The facts and evidence do not prove a microbial cause but they sure imply it and strongly imply it. Suppose this was the 1980s when AIDS was just new. In the 1980s one could have claimed that aluminum caused it or that manganese in the environment caused it. Or take lyme disease when it was first discovered. My point is that the rise of "new diseases" most often is a result of a mutated microbe that causes the new disease. DelCrow, let me ask you a question in this vain. Suppose manganese or magnetic manganese caused either prion or alzheimers or parkinsons. Then it would it not strike you as odd or strange that these 3 diseases are relatively new in recorded history. Sheep scrapie does go back several hundred years but MadCow goes back only a decade or two decades. And alzheimers and parkinsons go back only to the 20th century. So the "newness" of these 3 diseases suggests, mind you not prove, but suggests strongly that a microbe is the ultimate cause of these diseases. Another factor that suggests these 3 diseases are microbial in origin is that all 3 of these diseases are genetically inheritable. Whenever you have a disease whose origin can be got from pure inheritance implies that some microbe can duplicate or imitate that specific genetic code and thus act as the cause of the disease. No manganese or any other physical chemistry can give (1) newness and (2) duplication of genetics. Like I said many years ago in the 1990s, that sickle cell anemia is a inheritable disease. It is not caused by some chemical in the environment. But it can be duplicated by a microbe. So I do not want to hear much about manganese or any other chemical in the environment because the above logic points to a microbe as the ultimate cause. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies > More evidence in support of my theory that Prion disease, like > Parkinsons is caused by some microbe such as fungus, bacteria or even a [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots > of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies ****** Everything is about shifty electrons. But something you might want to look at is the CAFL on the Yahoo "Electroherbalism" site. The frequencies which seem to inhibit quite a number of bacterial diseases tend to bunch where, also, the Neuromuscular disease treatment frequencies are listed. I translate this to "opportunistic grazing". As one is inhibited, so is the other. Chicken or egg? Care to comment? Del ******** > Everything is about shifty electrons. But something you might want to > look at is the CAFL on the Yahoo "Electroherbalism" site. The [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > As one is inhibited, so is the other. Chicken or egg? > Care to comment? Del Only to comment that much of medical science has never focused intensely on the hydrogen bonds. Most organic molecules are surrounded by hydrogen bonds and metaphorically we can picture these hydrogen bonds as the "skin of the molecule". And when we harm our skin we are in perilous danger of death. And that medical science has not really explored the horizon of wealth of knowledge concerning hydrogen bonds. Perhaps prion disease of sheep scrapie of MadCow and of CJD are all manifestations of a microbe that has misshapened the hydrogen bonds of the manufacturing site of specific proteins. Perhaps Alzheimers Parkinsons and Prion are fundamentally a ruination of hydrogen bonds at key protein manufacturing sites. Example: the scissors in Alzheimers cuts in error ending up with beta amyloid is akin to the prion protein that is misshapen prion molecules. Both of which could be simply a microbe that attacks hydrogen bonds. Hydrogen bonds in diseases is a field of study that is primitive. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies > > Everything is about shifty electrons. But something you might want to > > look at is the CAFL on the Yahoo "Electroherbalism" site. The [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots > of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies Also we give too little credit to bacterial and cellular abilities. An interrelationship is likely. Why do we harbor Herpes viruses (it could be deliberate) and they transport potentially genetically mutating retrovirii if there is no mutual survival of species benefit somewhere in that relationship? http://www.basic.northwestern.edu/g-buehler/cellint0.htm It appears, as well as the rather sweetly scientific "Celllar Intelligence" proposed, that we should expand our mental parameters, smaller, larger. Can humans visualize "infinity" in any direction? It seems verything we know about is vibration in some form or other. Is there more? Best wishes, Del > > > Everything is about shifty electrons. But something you might want to > > > look at is the CAFL on the Yahoo "Electroherbalism" site. The [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Is there more? > Best wishes, Del Re: Hydrogen bonds, Ok, consider oxidative stress...it's about hydrogen bonds, isn't it? Then on a practical side, adding hydrogen(-)s is all we need for relieving a lot of "diseases". It's currently being done. Heck, I'm doing it to relieve the oxidative stress of Inclusion Body Myositis on myself. If it involves Mn(III)(IV)which (in my case)I suspect, it will work up to a point. Then, if that works, sonnicating fibrils will probably break them up and they should be justpoor quality protein to be absorbed or excreted.(Vibration again, eh?) Refer back to the CAFL (the reversed frequency sets by Stone...addendum)and carefully consider adding in simultaneous infrared (it should penetrate fully). I doubt that a formal lab equipment "sonnicator" is necessary; homemade should work fine. Have fun, enjoy, Del |
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