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Zee - 14 Jan 2005 23:57 GMT Interesting. Especially the riddle... Zee
IS HEART DISEASE ALL DUE TO BLOOD CLOTS?
If you want to understand coronary heart disease, you cannot ignore the role of the humble blood clot.
by Malcolm Kendrick MD
Up to now I have resisted writing about this area, as blood clotting is a mind-boggling and complicated area of human physiology. In the end, however, if you want to understand coronary heart disease (CHD), you cannot ignore the role of the humble blood clot.
For it is now accepted by everyone involved in CHD research that the final event, the thing that kills you with CHD, is the formation of a blood clot on top of an atherosclerotic plaque. If the blood clot is big enough to completely block a critical artery, in a critical area, you will die.
In the last few years medics have become increasingly expert at trying to clear these potentially fatal clots. Aspirin is the first line of defence, then the clot busters streptokinase, or tissue plasminogen activator (tPA) are used.
Increasingly, cardiologists get to work with thin wires and balloons, and stents, to remove the clot, prize the artery apart, and stick a metal framework to keep the artery open after unblocking it. New drugs have been developed to keep the artery patent. This is all great stuff, and many thousands of people who used to die are now being saved.
So there is no argument from anyone about the final event in CHD. It's a blood clot. It is also recognised that blood clots develop over atherosclerotic plaques on quite a regular basis without causing any symptoms at all, presumably because they are not big enough to fully block the artery.
However, in these silent episodes, once the blood clot stabilises it adds to the plaque size, and can lead to greater narrowing of the artery. In this way, repeated blood clots forming over an area of existing plaque cause atherosclerotic plaques to 'grow'. And if you look at plaques closely, you can - in many plaques - clearly see bands, with each band indicating an episode of plaque growth.
This is all agreed upon by almost everyone. And if you were a simple soul, like me, you might argue that if plaques grow, and eventually kill you due to clots forming on the artery wall, could this not be how they start in the first place? Are atherosclerotic plaques not, in fact, just the remnants of repeated blood clots, which are 'drawn in' to the artery wall, in time turning into a form of scar tissue?
If you did think this, you wouldn't be the first. This hypothesis was initially proposed by Karl Von Rokitansky in 1852. Although supporters of Rudolf Virchow may argue that he said it first. Unfortunately, therefore, I can hardly claim that this idea is either new, or mine.
Can it really be that simple? Surely there must be something wrong with the hypothesis that atherosclerotic plaques are the remnants of repeated blood clots? Where does this idea break down? I could say, don't ask me, I happen to believe it's true. But I will attempt to be a little more objective than this.
The key point of objection is that, whilst you can see how blood clots can form over a 'damaged' artery wall, it is very difficult to see how they form over a healthy artery wall. After all, a critical function, perhaps the critical function of the lining of the artery (the endothelium) is to prevent blood clots from forming. So how can this process actually start? A good point from my learned friend.
But I put it to you, members of the jury, that every 'factor' that has been identified as increasing the risk of CHD, has clearly identifiable pro-coagulant activity. Equally, every factor that has been identified as reducing the risk of CHD has clearly identifiable anti-coagulant activity. Which, I would vouchsafe, is pretty heavyweight proof.
Is this really true?
Well, yes. But you have to understand that there are three interconnected factors at play here that can cause a clot to form over the artery wall. Factor one, is 'damage' to the endothelium. Once damaged, the endothelium stops acting as a non-stick anti-coagulant surface. Indeed, if the endothelium is stripped away, it exposes the middle layer of the artery, the media, to the blood, and the media releases the most powerful pro-clotting factor known to man: Factor VII, the 'extrinsic' factor.
The second factor is how pro-coagulant the blood is itself. There are a multitude of clotting factors in the blood. Some of which you may have heard of, such as factor XIII - the one that is missing in haemophiliacs; some of which you probably haven't heard of e.g. Von Willibrand factor. Increase a pro-coagulant factor, and you increase the chance of clots forming.
The third factor is the structure of the blood clot itself. Some clots are wobbly and weak; others are very tough, and difficult to break up. For example, incorporated into all blood clots is a substance called plasminogen. This is an enzyme which, when activated, chops the clot into pieces. (Which is why tPA - tissue plasminogen activator - is given to people having a heart attack) However, if you have a high level of Plasminogen activator inhibitor - 1 (PAI - 1) in the blood, plasminogen is less effective at breaking the clot up.
So, you have to look at three basic factors:
* The anti-coagulant status of the endothelium * The pro-coagulant state of the blood * The relative 'toughness' of the blood-clot once it is formed
Bearing this in mind, I think it is interesting to run through a few factors known to alter the risk of CHD, and see how they fit:
Smoking:
Smoking creates free-radicals in the blood, these reduce nitric oxide (NO) synthesis in the endothelium, and NO is the single most powerful anti-coagulant factor in the body. Smoking also has pro-coagulant effects in the blood; it raises fibrinogen levels. It also has endothelium damaging effects. So, if you want to avoid CHD... STOP SMOKING!
Drinking:
Ethanol, in moderate doses, reduces free-radical synthesis, reduces clotting factors, such as fibrinogen, and reduces the blood clot toughness. However, excess alcohol consumption creates rebound platelet stickiness (platelets are hugely important in blood-clotting). Moderate drinking protects against CHD, heavy drinking is a risk factor.
Diabetes:
A high blood sugar level leads to increased free-radical synthesis, see above. A high blood sugar, independent of its effects on NO synthesis, also causes endothelial 'damage.'
Haemophilia:
Not surprisingly, haemophilia reduces blood coagulability. Haemophilia also reduces the absolute risk of CHD by 80%.
Statins:
Statins have strong anti-coagulant effects, they stabilise plaques and increase NO synthesis.
Aspirin:
Aspirin reduces the stickiness of platelets (see alcohol). Platelet aggregation is the first step in blood clotting.
Omega-3 fatty acids
Omega-3 fatty acids have strong anti-coagulant effects in the blood
Stress
Physical, or psychological stress causes the release of the stress hormones: cortisol, adrenaline, growth hormone and glucagon. These hormones all increase blood coagulabiltiy, raise the blood sugar level (see above), and 'damage' the endothelium.
Raised blood pressure
I am a little ambivalent about this risk factor. I am unconvinced that a raised blood pressure really is a 'cause' of plaque development. However, it is possible to see how high pressure, and turbulent blood flow, could strip away a layer of endothelium, exposing the blood to the media, and thus factor VII, thus stimulating a blood clot to form. It is certainly true that plaques don't form in low pressure blood vessels (e.g. veins).
However, the clinical trials on blood pressure lowering are very unconvincing when it comes to a correlation between the degree of blood pressure lowering and the prevention of CHD.
HDL
HDL has strong anti-coagulant effects
LDL (Oxidised LDL)
This is a complex pathway. When platelets start to stick together, they release free radicals. Free radicals oxidise LDL. Oxidised LDL is a powerful blood clotting factor. LDL is also incorporated into the blood clot as it forms, and provides a 'lipid' surface (along with VLDL) for the construction of fibrin. Fibrin is the hugely strong protein strand that binds a clot together and makes it 'tough.'
Frankly, I think that's enough. If you wish to, it is possible to link every single factor known to have an impact on CHD rates to one of three effects: endothelial damage, blood coagulation, or toughness of the clot. If you don't affect any of these three things, then you have no effect on CHD rates. If you manage to impact all three, then it's time to increase the life insurance. (On a positive note you won't need a big pension fund).
So, if it's that simple, then why have you never heard of this before? Now that is another story altogether. But if enough people think I am making all of this up, then I will provide a series of references from prestigious journals to support every single fact that I have presented.
To my mind, the answer as to the underlying cause(s) of CHD is not only 'out there,' it has been staring everyone in the face for the past fifty years. Perhaps it is too obvious for anyone to see it.
To quote a riddle that my son came home with the other day:
What is greater than God More evil than the devil The poor have it The rich need it If you eat it you will die
Once you know the answer you cannot believe that you couldn't see it straightaway.
William Wagner - 15 Jan 2005 00:38 GMT > Interesting. Especially the riddle... Zee > > IS HEART DISEASE ALL DUE TO BLOOD CLOTS?
> To quote a riddle that my son came home with the other day: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Once you know the answer you cannot believe that you couldn't see it > straightaway. Good article! Simple and straight forward.
Nothing .
Bill
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menu boy - 15 Jan 2005 02:19 GMT > > Interesting. Especially the riddle... Zee > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Bill Yeah, but I wonder if Zee spends most of his time worrying about the inevitable end of all humans. Smell the roses dude.
listener - 15 Jan 2005 02:26 GMT "menu boy" <ilmobixSPAMIT@hotmail.com> wrote in news:N4%Fd.441$Dz2.78 @trndny09:
>> > Interesting. Especially the riddle... Zee >> > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Yeah, but I wonder if Zee spends most of his time worrying about the > inevitable end of all humans. Smell the roses dude. Zee is a she.
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menu boy - 15 Jan 2005 02:39 GMT > "menu boy" <ilmobixSPAMIT@hotmail.com> wrote in news:N4%Fd.441$Dz2.78 > @trndny09: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Zee is a she. I care.
zwalanga@yahoo.com - 15 Jan 2005 02:27 GMT > > > Interesting. Especially the riddle... Zee > > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Yeah, but I wonder if Zee spends most of his time worrying about the > inevitable end of all humans. Smell the roses dude. I have been pretty disabled by statins. But I do smell the roses much as poss Dude: Literature, astronomy, photography, linguistics, ethnography, history, writing, music, natural history; dancing, hiking and mountaineering (vicarious now), cooking and the science of food. The biggie: music. From a family of professional musicians.
Zee
menu boy - 15 Jan 2005 02:41 GMT > > > > Interesting. Especially the riddle... Zee > > > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > and mountaineering (vicarious now), cooking and the science of food. > The biggie: music. From a family of professional musicians. Good, and I'm especially glad for the last, being a fellow musician. 30 years of violin, 30 years of piano, 25 years of guitar, 20 years of flute, 20 years of cello and many years of many different wild instruments.
Zee - 15 Jan 2005 02:46 GMT > > > "William Wagner" <No1SpamStill__B2wagner@snip.net> wrote in message news:No1SpamStill__B2wagner-42C454.19385514012005@news.snip.net...
> > > > > Interesting. Especially the riddle... Zee > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > 30 years of violin, 30 years of piano, 25 years of guitar, 20 years of > flute, 20 years of cello and many years of many different wild instruments. Ok Dude! I have Jimi riffin' here right now. I tend to go in cycles. Right now cannot get enough of Jimi.
Here: I especially like the Isle of Wight version. http://www.yorku.ca/bliek/hendrix/redhouse/versions.htm
Zee
menu boy - 16 Jan 2005 00:00 GMT > > <zwalanga@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1105756058.198458.202900@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > Here: I especially like the Isle of Wight version. > http://www.yorku.ca/bliek/hendrix/redhouse/versions.htm Awesome, thanks.
William Wagner - 15 Jan 2005 17:30 GMT > > > Interesting. Especially the riddle... Zee > > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Yeah, but I wonder if Zee spends most of his time worrying about the > inevitable end of all humans. Smell the roses dude. I?m sorry instead of ?Nothing ? ?No Thing? may address the issue along of course with MU but the riddle would lose potency. Smelling roses is tough right now here but my hellebores suggest in time I will be able to do so.
Got any MP3 we can download ?
Bill
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ironjustice@aol.com - 15 Jan 2005 18:49 GMT The Haemophilia is throwing me off ..
Haemophilia is somehow linked to tocopherol / vitamin E based on the sheer number of medical studies in Medline about Haemophilia and vitamin E .
Dr. Shute's work states vitamin E to be THE .. 'anti'-coagulant .. or . coagulant .. whatever the case NEEDED ..
Who loves ya. Tom
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ironjustice@aol.com - 15 Jan 2005 19:06 GMT I was told years ago .. "an extreme deficiency of vitamin E will cause Haemophilia .. " and the person who said it said it with such confidence I did not confirm HOW they .. 'knew' .. this .. just assumed it was true. I repeated this later on and was 'called on it' and I tried long and hard to .. confirm this .. but never was able to.
Hemolytic anemia .. can be caused by a lack of vitamin E .. and I am now wondering if hemolytic anemia is connected / associated at all with Haemophilia ..
Who loves ya. Tom
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William Wagner - 16 Jan 2005 20:30 GMT In article <No1SpamStill__B2wagner-C97358.12301115012005@altnews.snip.net>,
> I?m sorry instead of ?Nothing ? ?No Thing? may address the issue > along of course with MU but the riddle would lose potency. Smelling > roses is tough right now here but my hellebores suggest in time I will > be able to do so. Got a few e mail about MU all worthy and one was concerned that I was losing it.
Bill who lost it years ago ;)))
Here is a definition
u /moo/ The correct answer to the classic trick question "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?". Assuming that you have no wife or you have never beaten your wife, the answer "yes" is wrong because it implies that you used to beat your wife and then stopped, but "no" is worse because it suggests that you have one and are still beating her. According to various Discordians and Douglas Hofstadter the correct answer is usually "mu", a Japanese word alleged to mean "Your question cannot be answered because it depends on incorrect assumptions". Hackers tend to be sensitive to logical inadequacies in language, and many have adopted this suggestion with enthusiasm. The word `mu' is actually from Chinese, meaning `nothing'; it is used in mainstream Japanese in that sense. Native speakers do not recognize the Discordian question-denying use, which almost certainly derives from overgeneralization of the answer in the following well-known Rinzai Zen {koan}:
A monk asked Joshu, "Does a dog have the Buddha nature?" Joshu retorted, "Mu!" See also {has the X nature}, {Some AI Koans}, and Douglas Hofstadter's "Go"del, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid" (pointer in the {Bibliography} in Appendix C.
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