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Medical Forum / General / General / January 2005Women's contribution to the medical crisis in Canada
http://tinyurl.com/3og7n "It does not take a rocket scientist," Milne wrote, also blaming the less predictable "feminization of medicin," the increase in the number of doctors who are women. "Women tend to work less hours and provide a fewer range of services than their male counterparts. "These imbalances of supply and demand have created the `Perfect Storm' resulting in a severe doctor shortage." > http://tinyurl.com/3og7n > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > "These imbalances of supply and demand have created the `Perfect > Storm' resulting in a severe doctor shortage." What a crock. Steve > http://tinyurl.com/3og7n > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > "Women tend to work less hours and provide a fewer range of services > than their male counterparts. Gosh, maybe that's because the females have young children to care for, meals to cook and houses to clean because their soc.men husbands are too lazy to help her out. . . just a thought. > "These imbalances of supply and demand have created the `Perfect > Storm' resulting in a severe doctor shortage." >> http://tinyurl.com/3og7n >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > meals to cook and houses to clean because their soc.men husbands are > too lazy to help her out. . . just a thought. Gosh, maybe thats because sexist, misandrist Feminist lie repeatedly about any and all *facts* about such issues. Such issues as, when you compare men and women's work, both in and out of the home, and add in respective commutes, one finds that men work *five to seven hours MORE*, per week. After all, someone is watching " Oprah ", et al, and it's clearly *not men*. So, lardos, when you're bitching and whining that your guy " isn't doing enough ", remember that his having to lever your corpulant a.ses out of the hole in the sofa that you made, by watching Oprah, Ellen, and so on, is more work than you do in a week. But, thanks for, once again, showing us all that, when it comes to women having to be *responsible for their own actions and choices and their consequences*, misandrist Feminists' *first move* is to try to *blame the nearest man*... No wonder so many men are saying " Ptui ! " to such man hating harridans. Good riddance, to bad sexist rubbish. >> "These imbalances of supply and demand have created the `Perfect >> Storm' resulting in a severe doctor shortage." Andre -- " I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. " The Man Prayer, Red Green. > >> http://tinyurl.com/3og7n > >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > of the home, and add in respective commutes, one finds that men work > *five to seven hours MORE*, per week. and you got these facts from where? I'd like to see the difference between how many hours single childless men work at their jobs to single childless women - I'm not sure you'd see a big difference. > After all, someone is watching " Oprah ", et al, and it's clearly > *not men*. Oprah again. Is the Oprah show the only way you can "prove" women are lazy? Perhaps these "lardos" work when their men are plunked on the couch watching endless sporting games. Besides, a lot of women tape Oprah to watch at another time and in some areas Oprah and Ellen are shown at night. > So, lardos, when you're bitching and whining that your guy " isn't > doing enough ", remember that his having to lever your corpulant > a.ses out of the hole in the sofa that you made, by watching > Oprah, Ellen, and so on, is more work than you do in a week. I like your name calling Andre -- it's so manly. And since you're someone who thrives of "proof" and "facts", I'd like to see the research you have concerning my weight? By the way, I rarely bitch about my guy, he's wonderful. He's a great husband and father plus he's brilliant and rides his bike 20 miles a day without even thinking about it. > But, thanks for, once again, showing us all that, when it comes > to women having to be *responsible for their own actions and > choices and their consequences*, misandrist Feminists' *first > move* is to try to *blame the nearest man*... So you're saying that most wives don't spend more time to caring for children, and running the house than their husbands? Most women want to care for their children and gladly reduce their working hours to do that. Many fathers are also spending less time at work to take a more active role in childcare. It all adds up to priorities - priorities that don't include your convenient scape-goad . . . Oprah. > No wonder so many men are saying " Ptui ! " to such man hating > harridans. Good riddance, to bad sexist rubbish. >From your constant stream of invectives, I can only surmise that throughout your life several key women have said Ptui to you. > >> "These imbalances of supply and demand have created the `Perfect > >> Storm' resulting in a severe doctor shortage." [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > " I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. " > The Man Prayer, Red Green. "Nice women" in my experience, are just the same as all other women. They just pretend to be nice, but they act all sorts of evil things. You are just the same. You tell us what a good person you are to your husband (which we can't verify because we haven't seen it for ourselves), but at the same time the only hard evidence you do give to us, is of: 1) your insensitivity 2) denial of basic facts and evidence 3) Need to maintain the illusion that females don't live with unfair advantages in life. Now, these are the only provable evidence we have of you. Given that, I'd say that all the unprovable data you've provided about yourself, which conflicts this provable evidence, is highly suspect. In my exprience, "nice females" tend to find other ways to make the life of males harder. If they want to look nice by saying that they don't want to steal our money, then they just find other ways to be evil to us. Usually, this takes the form of negativity, insults, false criticisms, petty arguments, obstructionism, and all sorts of other stuff. Basically, you are a very fake female. A female who lives in the "nice/sweet/innocent" act, but is pure evil like all other females. In fact, you are probably worse than most females, because you are just as bad, but more fake. I still hate you. >> >> http://tinyurl.com/3og7n >> >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > and you got these facts from where? Not from your a.s, which is where you made your *unsupported man- bashing claim* from... > I'd like to see the difference > between how many hours single childless men work at their jobs to > single childless women - I'm not sure you'd see a big difference. Ah, more guesses from your a.s... >> After all, someone is watching " Oprah ", et al, and it's clearly >> *not men*. > > Oprah again. Is the Oprah show the only way you can "prove" women are > lazy? Hardly: Theres all of day time teevee, which is full of female oriented soaps, then theres the women doing their shopping all through the day, and so on. The shopping is made more clear, both by the stat, as even reported on PBS' Wall Street Week, that women control 85% of all discretionary consumer spanding, and the additional proof of that is to go to a few malls, and count up both how many stores and their total floor space, of retailers offering women's goods, v/ men's goods. > Perhaps these "lardos" work when their men are plunked on the > couch watching endless sporting games. Besides, a lot of women tape > Oprah to watch at another time and in some areas Oprah and Ellen are > shown at night. " some " the so called claim of the Festering Femmeroid, who has AbZero *proof* for her *unsupported* claims... >> So, lardos, when you're bitching and whining that your guy " isn't >> doing enough ", remember that his having to lever your corpulant >> a.ses out of the hole in the sofa that you made, by watching >> Oprah, Ellen, and so on, is more work than you do in a week. > > I like your name calling Andre -- it's so manly. Honest people call a spade a spade. Not a " dirt relocation device "... > And since you're > someone who thrives of "proof" and "facts", I'd like to see the > research you have concerning my weight? Ah, more Feminist *illiteracy*: Note that I wrote " lardos ". The PLURAL. Are *you* a *plural* ? No ? Then, it wasn't aimed at you, oh narcissistic one: Not everything is about *you* ! > By the way, I rarely bitch about my guy, he's wonderful. No proof offered ? Claim fails. In any case, even if one Festering Femmeroid doesn't rag on her guy, all day, that hardly shows that thats not *statistically common Feminist* behavior. > He's a great husband and father plus > he's brilliant and rides his bike 20 miles a day without even thinking > about it. He probably married you in the same mental state... >> But, thanks for, once again, showing us all that, when it comes >> to women having to be *responsible for their own actions and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So you're saying that most wives don't spend more time to caring for > children, and running the house than their husbands? Stay at home ones, yes. Working ones, no. Or, at least, not enough to make up for the hours that their hubbies work, and they don't. > Most women want > to care for their children and gladly reduce their working hours to do > that. Indeed: Because then, they can do what they want, when they want it, without having anyone supervising them, as they would be supervised, at work. > Many fathers are also spending less time at work to take a more > active role in childcare. It all adds up to priorities - priorities > that don't include your convenient scape-goad . . . Oprah. Yet, someone's watching her... and its not guys... >> No wonder so many men are saying " Ptui ! " to such man hating >> harridans. Good riddance, to bad sexist rubbish. > > From your constant stream of invectives, I can only surmise that > throughout your life several key women have said Ptui to you. Ah, the old harridan " you can't get any " ploy, the one that shows that the Festering Femmeroid *has no rebuttal of the topic*. AKA " The White Flag Of Victory ". Thank you for your concession, and I and my very fine lady S/O are amused at it. Your powers of " surmising " are as powerful as your powers of literacy: AbZero. Thanks for showing that Feminists are good at one perfect record: Always being *wrong*. <laughs> >> >> "These imbalances of supply and demand have created the >> >> `Perfect Storm' resulting in a severe doctor shortage." Andre -- " I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. " The Man Prayer, Red Green. > >> >> http://tinyurl.com/3og7n > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Not from your a.s, which is where you made your *unsupported man- > bashing claim* from... You still didn't answer my question. Instead you resorted to name-calling as you usually do when you're backed into a corner. > > I'd like to see the difference > > between how many hours single childless men work at their jobs to > > single childless women - I'm not sure you'd see a big difference. > > Ah, more guesses from your a.s... I said I'd like to see a study . . . a statement that you responded with the same-old name calling. > >> After all, someone is watching " Oprah ", et al, and it's clearly > >> *not men*. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > total floor space, of retailers offering women's goods, v/ men's > goods. Women shop for their families, they buy clothes for their husbands, children and yes themselves. They also buy most of the household items. The women who don't look and smell nice tend to be labled as dykes, geeks or hags. So while their is some enjoyment in shopping, there is also some societal pressure. But women hardly reduce their working hours so they can buy more shoes. > > Perhaps these "lardos" work when their men are plunked on the > > couch watching endless sporting games. Besides, a lot of women tape [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > " some " the so called claim of the Festering Femmeroid, who has AbZero > *proof* for her *unsupported* claims... Proof? Monday night football, endless hockey, basketball, baseball games on TV? Who watches the majority of ESPN? > >> So, lardos, when you're bitching and whining that your guy " isn't > >> doing enough ", remember that his having to lever your corpulant [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Honest people call a spade a spade. Not a " dirt relocation device "... Calling a spade a spade is also another way of having an online hissy fit. > > And since you're > > someone who thrives of "proof" and "facts", I'd like to see the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > PLURAL. Are *you* a *plural* ? No ? Then, it wasn't aimed at you, > oh narcissistic one: Not everything is about *you* ! So you're making the assUmption that most feminists are "lardos." > > By the way, I rarely bitch about my guy, he's wonderful. > > No proof offered ? Claim fails. It's as much proof as you have of your anti-feminist S/O. > In any case, even if one Festering Femmeroid doesn't rag on her guy, > all day, that hardly shows that thats not *statistically common [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > He probably married you in the same mental state... Seven years later, we're still happily married. > >> But, thanks for, once again, showing us all that, when it comes > >> to women having to be *responsible for their own actions and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Stay at home ones, yes. Working ones, no. Or, at least, not enough > to make up for the hours that their hubbies work, and they don't. Show us the study that proves that. No proof? Claim fails. Next. > > Most women want > > to care for their children and gladly reduce their working hours to do [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > without having anyone supervising them, as they would be supervised, > at work. Have you ever spent more than five minutes around very young children/babies? Caring for children is hardly a carefree activity. You're supervised by little ones with VERY large lungs and constant demands. It's a tough job, but worth it. > > Many fathers are also spending less time at work to take a more > > active role in childcare. It all adds up to priorities - priorities > > that don't include your convenient scape-goad . . . Oprah. > > Yet, someone's watching her... and its not guys... Guys are watching EPPN. > >> No wonder so many men are saying " Ptui ! " to such man hating > >> harridans. Good riddance, to bad sexist rubbish. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that the Festering Femmeroid *has no rebuttal of the topic*. > AKA " The White Flag Of Victory ". No white flag of victory, just an observation from reading too many of your posts. > Thank you for your concession, and I and my very fine lady S/O > are amused at it. Your powers of " surmising " are as powerful > as your powers of literacy: AbZero. Thanks for showing that > Feminists are good at one perfect record: Always being *wrong*. Wrong in your deranged fantasyland Andre. > <laughs> Doubtful from your obvious lack of humor. >> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/3og7n >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > You still didn't answer my question. Instead you resorted to > name-calling as you usually do when you're backed into a corner. <Projection> Oh, " ... because their soc.men husbands are too lazy... " So, YOU opened with an ad hom, and had AbZero *facts* for your claims. IOW, you *lied*... again. Well, thats common for a Festering Femmeroid. >> > I'd like to see the difference >> > between how many hours single childless men work at their jobs to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I said I'd like to see a study . . . ROTFLMAO ! And then, you claimed that " I'm not sure you'd see a big difference. ". So, you made a self serving GUESS based on AbZero *data*... IOW, you pulled it from your a.s... *again*. > a statement that you responded with the same-old name calling. Ibid. >> >> After all, someone is watching " Oprah ", et al, and it's clearly >> >> *not men*. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Women shop for their families, they buy clothes for their husbands, > children and yes themselves. ROTFLMAO ! This explain that MOST such goods offered are WOMEN's, how ? I dare say that women shopping for women's clothes are NOT buying for their kids or men. I dare say that women aren't buying Manolo Blaniks for their men or kids. So, this was more cowshit... excuse me, more heidigraw. <laughs> > They also buy most of the household items. As do most control freaks. Lets note that those with *the most time available to shop*, are the ones doing the LEAST work... > The women who don't look and smell nice tend to be labled as dykes, > geeks or hags. So while their is some enjoyment in shopping, there is > also some societal pressure. ROTFLMAO ! Then, if you don't wanna... *Just say NO* ! > But women hardly reduce their working hours so they can buy more shoes. No proof offered ? Claim fails. Far more shoes are sold to women, than to men. >> > Perhaps these "lardos" work when their men are plunked on the >> > couch watching endless sporting games. Besides, a lot of women [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Proof? Monday night football, endless hockey, Not this year: Thanks for showing how LITTLE you know, about what men watch... > basketball, baseball games on TV? Free Clue: When are most of those aired ? Answer: *Evenings and weekends*. Reason: Men AREN'T major teevee viewers in the *daytime, weekdays*... Women are. > Who watches the majority of ESPN? Who watches the majority of Lifetime, Oxygen, and W ? >> >> So, lardos, when you're bitching and whining that your guy " isn't >> >> doing enough ", remember that his having to lever your corpulant [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Calling a spade a spade is also another way of having an online hissy > fit. Cowshit. Sorry: heidigraw. >> > And since you're >> > someone who thrives of "proof" and "facts", I'd like to see the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > So you're making the assUmption that most feminists are "lardos." Yep. I've seen loads of pics. >> > By the way, I rarely bitch about my guy, he's wonderful. >> >> No proof offered ? Claim fails. > > It's as much proof as you have of your anti-feminist S/O. <shrug> I don't care if you believe in her. I have her with me, and she spits on Feminism and misandry. Moreover, Jayne has *met her*. So, once again, your claim fails, due to *contrary evidence*. >> In any case, even if one Festering Femmeroid doesn't rag on her guy, >> all day, that hardly shows that thats not *statistically common [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Seven years later, we're still happily married. No proof offered ? Claim fails. " The plural of 'anecdote' is NOT 'citation'. " >> >> But, thanks for, once again, showing us all that, when it comes >> >> to women having to be *responsible for their own actions and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Show us the study that proves that. No proof? Claim fails. Next. LOL ! So now you wanna use my bit ? OK, so ALL of your claim FAIL. Next ! >> > Most women want >> > to care for their children and gladly reduce their working hours to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Have you ever spent more than five minutes around very young > children/babies? Yep: Drove with the ex, with her 2 year old, all the way and back, to and from Florida. Plus, when she got full custody, when he was six, I was his primary care giver. So, been there, done that, toots. > Caring for children is hardly a carefree activity. Naps... And, once they go to kindergarten, the care giver hos *hours* a day play time... > You're supervised by little ones with VERY large lungs and constant > demands. It's a tough job, but worth it. No one said it wasn't " worth it ". Just that its nowhere near as tough as many seem to want it to appear to be. " If women's work is so much drugery, men are wondering, why are women clinging to it so tenaciously ? Why are female physicians and lawyers working only part time so they can be with their kids ? Why do we hear of women working flex time when they could be pulling down full time paychecks ? Why did women fight so hard for Family Leave ? Why are women fighting men so strenuously for custody in divorce cases ? Is it because... ? No, it couldn't be ! But, maybe, yes, maybe it is. Maybe its because what they've been playing down all these years is really something quite wonderful indeed ! " " Male Bashing: Why Now ? ", by Jack Kammer, 1994. http://users.erols.com/jkammer/bashing.html. >> > Many fathers are also spending less time at work to take a more >> > active role in childcare. It all adds up to priorities - priorities [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Guys are watching EPPN. No proof offered ? Day times ? Calim fails. >> >> No wonder so many men are saying " Ptui ! " to such man hating >> >> harridans. Good riddance, to bad sexist rubbish. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > No white flag of victory, just an observation from reading too many of > your posts. The only person *responsible* for reading " too many " of my posts is YOU. For *once*, be *responsible* for *your choices*. >> Thank you for your concession, and I and my very fine lady S/O >> are amused at it. Your powers of " surmising " are as powerful >> as your powers of literacy: AbZero. Thanks for showing that >> Feminists are good at one perfect record: Always being *wrong*. > > Wrong in your deranged fantasyland Andre. No proof offered ? Claim fails. >> <laughs> > > Doubtful from your obvious lack of humor. Gee, I guess the folks that have me MC and do stand up, for the last twelve years now, every Memorial Day, should shed their personal experience, for your animus. Oh well, like your making claims based solely on your a.s is new... <laughs> Andre -- " I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. " The Man Prayer, Red Green. >> http://tinyurl.com/3og7n >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> "Women tend to work less hours and provide a fewer range of services >> than their male counterparts. >Gosh, maybe that's because the females have young children to care for, >meals to cook and houses to clean because their soc.men husbands are >too lazy to help her out. . . just a thought. Gosh, maybe the female doctors should have chosen to: A: Have and take care of children. B: Have and take care of patients. C: Choose between the two choices. Just a thought. >>> http://tinyurl.com/3og7n >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Just a thought. But, but, but... Don't you understand that, to the Festering Femmeroids, men exist solely to do women's immediate bidding ? So, if men aren't carrying those women, it *must* be the men's fault. It surely can't be that the women want... too much. ( See " diamonds ", for a prime example. ) Andre -- " I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. " The Man Prayer, Red Green. >>>> http://tinyurl.com/3og7n >>>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >But, but, but... Don't you understand that, to the Festering Femmeroids, >men exist solely to do women's immediate bidding ? Not in my world. women do my bidding or else. >So, if men aren't carrying those women, it *must* be the men's fault. Why, of course. Life in the western world: Men: Responsible for everything that goes wrong. Women: Rarely held responsible for their own actions. >It surely can't be that the women want... too much. ( See " diamonds ", >for a prime example. ) Bingo! It all about $$$ with these gold-digging whores. Maybe if these female MDs were paid more money they could afford to hire more day-care/housekeeper help with these things. I do not want to seem churlish on this point but the fact is that Medical Services as provided by women in Canada already cost society more (per hour) than those provided by men- because the same resources are needed to train and equip a female who then does far less actual work. From the tone of your answer, it seems that the solution that seems right to you is for even more resources to be put for free in her hands. Then, maybe, if she feels like it, she might work a little harder. > Maybe if these female MDs were paid more money they could afford to > hire more day-care/housekeeper help with these things. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > her hands. Then, maybe, if she feels like it, she might work a little > harder. So women should not become doctors if they want to have children? But men can be doctors even if they want to have children? If women doctors have children, then they should stick the kids in daycare 10 hours a day or hire a team of nannies? Women have no right to try to balance work and family? Men have no right to balance work and family? How many hours are these doctors required to work in the first place. If it's like the US, then it could be up to 80 hours a week. Perhaps more men should work parttime and become stay at home dads. You throw out a flurry of rhetorical questions. Why not say what you think in a more direct way? It seems like you are angry at the messenger here. I did not create the fact that female MDs are a much more expensive source of medical care - at a time of national shortages. Most doctors are not required to work a certain number of hours. It is a often a question of how many patients he or she is willing to see each day. It is generally a choice to do less work at the office. When you say that the answer is that men should stay home so the wife can work you give away the fact that feminism has always been as much interested in crippling men as elevating women. Women Docs can afford help with kids. A lighter work load is chosen because that is what they prefer. > http://tinyurl.com/3og7n > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > "These imbalances of supply and demand have created the `Perfect > Storm' resulting in a severe doctor shortage." It's women's fault that there is a doctor shortage? What's happened to the men who should be going into medicine, with all the open positions available? Did the women kill and eat them? >> http://tinyurl.com/3og7n >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > the men who should be going into medicine, with all the open positions > available? Did the women kill and eat them? They get the munchies while watching Oprah and the repercussions are felt throughout the Canadian health care delivery system. August Pamplona  SignatureThe waterfall in Java is not wet. - omegazero2003 on m.f.w. a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut Proud member of the reality-based community. The address in this message's 'From' field, in accordance with individual.net's TOS, is real. However, almost all messages reaching this address are deleted without human intervention. In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message. To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me, make sure that my e-mail address is not hot. >>It's women's fault that there is a doctor shortage? What's happened to >>the men who should be going into medicine, with all the open positions [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > August Pamplona Oh, my god! What American television has done to Canada's health system is an atrocity that must be revealed, and reparations must be made! >> http://tinyurl.com/3og7n >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > men who should be going into medicine, with all the open positions > available? Did the women kill and eat them? The blame rests with those who have put feminist political agendas (i.e. "women in science", women in engineering","women in the military"," women in medicine" etc,etc) above COMMON SENSE. The blame also rests with feminists who have worked tirelessly to DUMB DOWN education to favour girls style of learning at the expense of boys - one of the chief 'tools' being the vastly increased use of 'coursework' as a contributor to final marks - coursework is a 'dumbing down' element because marks are awarded OUTSIDE the usual rigourous standards of exam room conditions and monitoring. Phil In a way, yes. There is a finite number of spaces in medical school classes and speciality training programs in hospitals.There always will be. It is very expensive to educate and train MD s. So when the number of women in the system increases, the number of men must be decreased. The figures dont bear you out . Women spend the same number of hours working as men do after medical school graduation . They are more mature at an equal age and so gain more medical school places . > The figures dont bear you out . Women spend the same number of > hours working as men do after medical school graduation . They are > more mature at an equal age and so gain more medical school places . The beginning of this thread was an article from Canada detailing the opposite - that women Docs worked much less than the guys and that this compounded the shortage of Medical Services there. In G. Britain, one half of female MDs quit altogether within 10 years of finishing their training. > The figures dont bear you out . Women spend the same number of >hours working as men do after medical school graduation I'm sure the doctor I quoted knows better than you. Please show us the 'figures' you refer to. >more mature at an equal age It's true that girls reach sexual maturity at an earlier age but that's hardly relevant to medical school admissions. "The nobler and more perfect a thing is, the later and slower it is in arriving at maturity" - Arthur Schopenhauer It's true that girls reach sexual maturity at an earlier age but that's hardly relevant to medical school admissions. < An 18 year old girl (age of admission to medical school in UK ) is confident and mature and makes a good impression than a gawky male . They also do better with projects now popular . Most boys would rather study just before the exam and that is one reason they are not doing so well in admissions to medical school . >It's true that girls reach sexual maturity at an earlier age but >that's hardly relevant to medical school admissions. < > An 18 year old girl (age of admission to medical school in UK >) >is confident and mature and makes a good impression than a gawky male Again retard, prove that women work more hours than men, are more successful in getting into medical college and in general look more confident and mature than their male peers. Don't post more simple minded generalizations as a response. >. They also do better with projects now popular Which Andre correctly called the dumbing down of education. > Most boys would >rather study just before the exam and that is one reason they are not >doing so well in admissions to medical school . Cite the studies on which you base your assertions, moron. Concern as women outnumber men in medical schools 70% to 30% ! John Carvel Thursday July 4, 2002 The Guardian also see http://www.studentbmj.com/issues/1004/news/353a.html http://society.guardian.co.uk/NHSstaff/story/0,7991,749021,00.html Medical schools should do more to attract male students who are being heavily outnumbered by women with better A-level results and more convincing extramural skills, the British Medical Association agreed yesterday. Doctors' representatives rejected a quota system to even the gender balance among trainee doctors. But they were concerned that women were taking 60% of medical school places in the UK, rising to 70% at some universities. Doctors from Leicestershire and Rutland tabled a resolution that it was in the long term interests of medical care that there should be equal numbers of male and female medical students, and doctors from Bury said admissions tutors "should look favourably on male candidates before this endangered species becomes extinct." But the conference voted instead to call on the government and medical schools to look at new ways of encouraging more male applicants. James Coulston, a member of the BMA's medical students committee, said one explanation for the higher number of women in medical schools was that girls often performed better in A-levels. It might also be that 18-year-old males were attracted by other more lucrative careers. Stephen Sanders, a student from Nottingham medical school, said it had two women to every man. "It is not that we have a problem with women being doctors, they are fantastic doctors, as are men." But if nothing was done to create a more even gender balance, the profession would become female dominated and that was just as wrong as when it was dominated by men, he said. Advertiser links Life Coaching Achieve accredited Life coaching success with one of the... the-coaching-academy.com Life Coaching with Future-Coach Life coaching can help you move forward in your life -... future-coach.com Personal Life Coaches by Global Infinity A life coach can help you control your health, life, money... globalinfinity.co.uk Michael Crowe, a GP from Leicester, said when he was a medical student there had been eight men to one woman, but now the "pendulum has swung too far in the other direction". He said: "There is a problem brewing and it needs correcting." He feared that family commitments would mean women doctors might avoid working positions involving more unsociable hours. But Kate Adams, of the junior doctors' committee, said that at Newcastle medical school more women got in because they did better and that standards should not be lowered. Ian Bogle, chairman of the BMA, said the debate was not about quotas or discrimination, but was about looking at ways of encouraging more males to apply to become medical students. Jennie Ciechan, chairman of the medical students committee, said the universities should look at alternative selection procedures that could encourage the admission of students from poorer homes and ethnic minorities. Psychometric testing for aptitude and character might be more appropriate than the present system that demanded three high A-level grades and work experience that could rarely be accessed by young people without the right contacts. Last year 3,355 women from the UK were given places at UK medical schools, compared with 2,320 men. Related articles 04.11.2001: Bid to lure GPs into inner cities 29.08.2001: Medical schools face drop in standards 19.07.2001: Medical schools branded 'elitist' in Bristol report 19.06.2001: Racism is rife in NHS says study 17.10.2001: Medical schools highlight 'serious flaws' in NHS University plans 05.06.2001: Shortage of medical academics will halt NHS expansion, doctors say 12.10.2001: Cautious welcome to NHS University plans 03.12.2001: Head of NHS university announced 05.10.2000: Anger at slur on women doctors Last year 3,355 women from the UK were given places at UK medical schools, compared with 2,320 men. >Concern as women outnumber men in medical schools 70% to 30% ! > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >convincing extramural skills, the British Medical Association agreed >yesterday. Thanks. Now you've proved one of your four assertions that I mentioned, and contradicted the last. In USA where they are nearly 35 before they qualify , men are not at such a disadvantage 73% of medical school applications from white and Asian students are successful, compared to 39% for students from black African backgrounds In 2003, more than one in five students (21%) accepted into medical school were over 21, compared to fewer than one in ten (9%) in 1996 In 2003, more than three out of every five (61%) entrants to U.K. medical school were female, compared to 29% in 1963 ... What has not changed is the standard of entry: schools are extremely competitive and required grades are very high. For medicine, the basics are these: at a minimum, candidates need three very strong A-levels, which must include chemistry and biology, and a strong GCSE background, again in the sciences. Beyond that, requirements vary between the medical schools; some may be prepared to overlook a weak GCSE in biology for a strong A-Level performance and solid work experience. Although when it comes to applying for medicine, "weak" usually means a B or maybe C grade. Almost the same thing applies for dentistry. Chemistry is a required A-level, and while biology is sometimes not specified, it is usually preferred. In any case, a second science A-level is required and usually an AS in biology as a minimum. If that sounds frightening, take heart. "Getting in is the hard part - once you're there, you're there," says Mr Best. "It's a very over subscribed course. There are 10 people for every place, so on the day you have to be on the ball." With almost all applicants predicted similar grades, schools look for other attributes on which to base their decisions. In Scotland, medical schools have been trying psychometric testing as a way of selecting candidates. It is vital to distinguish yourself from other applicants, says Mr Best. The best way to do that is through extra-curricular achievements, regardless of what they are. "When you apply to med school, everyone says to do something else," he says. "Everyone who applies is academically sound, so when you come to interview your personality comes across. If you don't do something extra-curricular to prove you want a place, you won't get an offer." Nor is it necessary to spend time in a hospital, something only a few candidates will have the contacts to do. "Selectors are quite sensitive to applications," says Michael Powell, executive secretary of the Council of Heads of Medical Schools. "Go into an old people's home for a short period, or do social care work. Even working in a supermarket is useful. Anything that demonstrates a commitment to working with people and helping them." While Mr Powell is referring specifically to medical school applicants, the advice applies equally to dental schools. "Degree of motivation is essential. I think it's very important to know what it means to be a doctor, to know something about medical care and what different kinds of doctors do. Not in detail, but you ought to have some perception of what it's all about. That's a good indicator of strong motivation." habshi (habshi@anony.com) spouts hate of men: > It's true that girls reach sexual maturity at an earlier age but > that's hardly relevant to medical school admissions. < > An 18 year old girl (age of admission to medical school in UK > ) > is confident and mature and makes a good impression than a gawky male Yet, based on *performances*, appearances are decieving... Since men docs do *more work*. > . They also do better with projects now popular . Most boys would > rather study just before the exam and that is one reason they are not > doing so well in admissions to medical school . No proof offered ? Claim fails. Andre -- " I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. " The Man Prayer, Red Green. > It's true that girls reach sexual maturity at an earlier age but > that's hardly relevant to medical school admissions. < [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > rather study just before the exam and that is one reason they are not > doing so well in admissions to medical school . If girls are so confident and etc cowshit then that means the boys are "dissimilarly situated" and therefore policy should be imposed immediately to redress this "dissimilar situation". Consistency's a bitch. Not to mention the "lack of confidence" in the boys wouldn't have anything to do with the society's "signalling" (glaringly anti male) would it now? Consistency will always be a bitch, no? ---- Lastly this "girls mature first" chestnut (or whatever it's called)... Female primates sexually develop earlier than male primates; say, females in early puberty while males aren't ready to throw down for keeps until late puberty. The reasons for this are bio deterministic (which of course means the left can't use them[without posterity seeing their horseshit once again]). Specifically, for primates (certainly upper ones), female variations that mature before the other females simply out breed those late bloomers, while male variations that become too randy (ie give adult signalling) too soon loose mommy's protection and draw fire from older, bigger, more savvy males thus evolutionarilly profiting males who bide their time behind mommy --living and learning until they can make a strong stand. (Males have harder lives than females demonstrated once again.) This "girls mature first" thing is then spun by anti male relativism into "what ever the girls do is mature and whatever the boys do is immature". But your just making this "mature and immature" stuff up (just like what people do with the warbling throat noises "matriarchy" and "patriarchy"). Ie it is not "more mature" to sit around chatting aimlessly (with secrets and etc ignobility a' flowing), drinking make-believe tea and it is not "less mature" to build a fort and then blow it up. Children are precociously practicing what they were going to do as adults. The word (or chirpping sound if you prefer) "mature" is generally deemed a 'positive' conotive in society and then society applies it to pussy. The biodeterministic fact of female sexual maturity in primates is then conveniently pointed to --hypocritically, since the left is as anti scientific as creationists ever were -- as evidence to support the relativist anti male connotation that you gurgle out (as you perch on your twig displaying for sex). What the above paragraph is trying to say badly is hairless cats are not "more mature" than hairy shedding dogs; lying around sleeping is not more mature than running around rambunctiously all day. One is simply fitting relativistically better in the effete environment humans have created. ...Alas, sitting around blabbering about nonsense with adults simply fits better in the modern world now. (...And male humans will become extinct like so many work horses did in the early 20th century if things persist.) And lastly nothing you said disproves the Dr's assertion that female ascendency in science and medicine create "perfect storm" conditions leading to the problem of 'not enough drs'. Ie what you make up can just as easily be --if the foolishness you invent could ever be right in and of it itself-- part of the 'perfect storm' problem. So using it as a way to contest what the dr. said just demonstrates how ridiculous you are. ---- In my experience (which is greater than yours' because I'm smarter than yous'), when females do a given thing it stops being something boys and men aspire to; it no longer has enough status in it to be worth the time and effort. The boys will move on to some other way to buy paternity and fidelity (and the species will change to those new selection pressures[competitions] accordingly --this is a way civilizations fall). Eg you won't see many more metal bands next generation. Also I believe the dirth of nurses is the side effect of the ambitious females(the ones who normally would have become nurses) simply shifting their goals to become full-fledged doctors, creating a dirth of nurses in the wake. ======= The left cannot be defeated with logic--evil is stronger than good. It can only be defeated through excoriating it from the genome in childhood. Since the anglo world right doesn't get this, the left will win. habshi (habshi@anony.com) ignorantly bleats: > The figures dont bear you out . Women spend the same number of > hours working as men do after medical school graduation . They are > more mature at an equal age and so gain more medical school places . No proof offered ? Claim fails. Andre -- " I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. " The Man Prayer, Red Green. The admission officer doesnt know which woman is going to stay unmarried and work all her life and which one will work part time , so it wouldnt be fair to discriminate . Besides they have more empathy and tend to talk to their patients and hence spend longer and see fewer patients . Many patients much prefer to see a lady doctor. However the biggest problem is that falling birth rates mean that there are no longer enough highly educated people in that age group to train for most jobs and its going to get a lot worse . Most of the white races are dying as women are having only 1.2children each , and this has gone on for twenty odd years . Project this another 50-100 years and the pop will fall to a tenth of today's. This is why maybe educated women should be encourage to work part time and given tax breaks to employ nannies . Proof If a woman has just 1.2 children ie only 0.6 girls then every 20 years over five generations the number of children being born falls as follows 1, 0.6, 0.36, 0.21,0.12 ie to a tenth of today's births !! Russia's pop set to fall from 145m today to 100m by 2050 and 50m by 2100. USA and the west even worse > The admission officer doesnt know which woman is going to stay > unmarried and work all her life and which one will work part time , so [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > maybe educated women should be encourage to work part time and given > tax breaks to employ nannies . Let me get this straight. Ordinary working people/taxpayers (predominantly men) should be saddled with a heavier tax burden so that highly paid professional women can more easily afford a servant?? This is a perfect example of how so much of feminism turns out to be just another conspiracy between powerful men and women to rip off powerless men and women. There is always the guillotine. > If a woman has just 1.2 children ie only 0.6 girls then every 20 > years over five generations the number of children being born falls as > follows > 1, 0.6, 0.36, 0.21,0.12 ie to a tenth of today's births !! > Russia's pop set to fall from 145m today to 100m by 2050 and 50m by > 2100. USA and the west even worse > The admission officer doesnt know which woman is going to stay >unmarried and work all her life and which one will work part time , so >it wouldnt be fair to discriminate . Since women in general work less than men, why not discriminate against all of them? > Besides they have more empathy >and tend to talk to their patients and hence spend longer and see >fewer patients . You're not helping your cause by posting such nonsense, fucktard > Many patients much prefer to see a lady doctor. Cite a study which has proved that the majority of patients show a preference for female doctors. > However the biggest problem is that falling birth rates mean >that there are no longer enough highly educated people in that age [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >maybe educated women should be encourage to work part time and given >tax breaks to employ nannies . Actually, the logical solution would be to make to forbid women from working and encourage early marriage. >> The admission officer doesnt know which woman is going to stay >> unmarried and work all her life and which one will work part time , [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Actually, the logical solution would be to make to forbid women from > working and encourage early marriage. Yay Taliban!!! August Pamplona SignatureThe waterfall in Java is not wet. - omegazero2003 on m.f.w. a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut Proud member of the reality-based community. The address in this message's 'From' field, in accordance with individual.net's TOS, is real. However, almost all messages reaching this address are deleted without human intervention. In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message. To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me, make sure that my e-mail address is not hot. Dolores (weaselpanties@sinmonkey.com) bleats her ignorance: >> http://tinyurl.com/3og7n >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > It's women's fault that there is a doctor shortage? It is women doctor's fault: Those who *use* the same resources that could produce a full time man doctor, wheras most of the women docs want to only work *part-time*. A recent UK survey of female medical grads showed that about 75% of them had no intention to ever work full time. Its not rocket science to see that part time docs cannot do the work of full time docs. Its not rocket science to see that medical schools and teaching hospitals do NOT have an infinite supply of student positions, and, that to *make up* enough *additional* positions to counter the fact that women part time docs will do less actual doctoring, then said additional compensatory positions will cost the schools and teaching hospitals MORE to put into place, thus raising the costs of getting a medical degree, and thus, raising the costs of making a doctor. It makes far more sense to save the added costs, and demand that medical students commit to full time doctoring, once they graduate, and, that if they can't/won't do that, they should NOT be permitted to waste the training resources. > What's happened to > the men who should be going into medicine, with all the open positions > available? Operative word: " open positions ". See " Affirmative Action ". Many such positions are NOT " open ". > Did the women kill and eat them? Did the women decide that watching Oprah is more important than doing full time medical work ? Seems so... Andre -- " I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. " The Man Prayer, Red Green. > http://tinyurl.com/3og7n > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > "These imbalances of supply and demand have created the `Perfect > Storm' resulting in a severe doctor shortage." Same problem over here in the UK - pushing more women into becoming doctors is very poor value for taxpayers cash - they don't stay in the job as long nor are they willing to work as many hours as men. Phil >> http://tinyurl.com/3og7n >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > doctors is very poor value for taxpayers cash - they don't stay in the job > as long nor are they willing to work as many hours as men. It's the same in the US. Women physicians tend to work shorter hours, and have shorter careers. The end result of the increasing number of women in medical schools will be a significant shortage of doctors in the coming years. HMc > >> http://tinyurl.com/3og7n > >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > Same problem over here in the UK - pushing more women into becoming > > doctors is very poor value for taxpayers cash - they don't stay in the job > > as long nor are they willing to work as many hours as men. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > HMc How about encouraging more men to be stay-at-home dads? I do not see any crime with trying to balance work/family life. That ought to be the aim of both mothers and fathers. >>>>http://tinyurl.com/3og7n >>>> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > any crime with trying to balance work/family life. That ought to be > the aim of both mothers and fathers. More flexibility in the workplace would encourage this, and I think it's a good idea. My wife and I are both self-employed, so we can work things out--but many couples don't have that luxury. Steve >> It's the same in the US. Women physicians tend to work shorter hours, > and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> HMc > How about encouraging more men to be stay-at-home dads? I do not see > any crime with trying to balance work/family life. That ought to be > the aim of both mothers and fathers. Sure...why not? Let's do it... HMc >> >> http://tinyurl.com/3og7n >> >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > any crime with trying to balance work/family life. That ought to be > the aim of both mothers and fathers. That would be true IF the feminist theory that all non anatomical differences between the sexes were purely social - unfortunatley that is NOT true so you are extremely unlikely to get such a 'balance' and making vain efforts to enforce that will only increase social (and fiscal for that matter!) costs. Phil >> >> http://tinyurl.com/3og7n >> >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > How about encouraging more men to be stay-at-home dads? This gets single women, to work longer, how ? But, thanks for whowing us all that, when the problem is women who won't do *equal* work, you blame... men. > I do not see any crime with trying to balance work/family life. Nor is it one to let employers hire who they view as more valuable workers. > That ought to be the aim of both mothers and fathers. Free Clue: Men will decide *for ourselves* what our aims are. You get to speak for us, never. Deal with it. Andre -- " I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. " The Man Prayer, Red Green. >> >> http://tinyurl.com/3og7n >> >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > any crime with trying to balance work/family life. That ought to be > the aim of both mothers and fathers. Having highly specialized doctors do housework is inefficient and will further worsen the doctor shortage. The present scheme of specialization wherein highly qualified male doctors marry down and delegate household chores to their wives is far more efficient. Female doctors could do the same, but most of them have nothing but contempt for the less successful men. -CV >http://tinyurl.com/3og7n > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >"These imbalances of supply and demand have created the `Perfect >Storm' resulting in a severe doctor shortage." I hopee dat theyy hav a lotts of gud doktorz ober derr ween I geets to Austrailiaaa. I am basicallee a totall baskket caase tinking about heems al de timess. mi anxieteez r gitting zee bestt of mee an I beeen sayying lotts uhv stoopeed tings to heems ober da intarnets. I amz geting to paranoidee abowt de tripp and eet iz reely bottering meez. mi hopees heems tinks itz jus deh tripp der to heems cuntree thaat is maaking mi actt so stoopid. |
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