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Sharon Hope - 10 Jan 2005 00:31 GMT Statin Adverse Effects FAQ: MEMORY LOSS & STATINS, AMNESIA & STATINS
To my physician,
I believe that my symptoms may be due to the adverse effects a_ssociated with cholesterol-lowering statin drugs. I need your help to understand the cause of my symptoms, treatment options, and the prognosis for my recovery.
Please review the references below, published medical studies that show similar problems a_ssociated with statin drugs. These are made available via the National Institutes of Health (NIH, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Entrez/) library of biomedical journal citations and other major repositories of medical research.
Also, I am respectfully requesting that you file an adverse effects report with the FDA (http://www.fda.gov/medwatch/how.htm), and that you please send a copy of the report to the to the NIH-funded Statin Study, attention: Dr. Beatrice Golomb, Principal Investigator. Statin Study website: http://medicine.ucsd.edu/statin/ Statin Study contact info: http://medicine.ucsd.edu/statin/contactinfo.html UCSD STATIN STUDY E-MAIL ADDRESS: statinstudy@ucsd.edu MAILING ADDRESS: UCSD Statin Study 9500 Gilman Dr. La Jolla, CA 92093-0995 PHONE NUMBER: (858) 558-4950
Thank you
MEMORY LOSS & STATINS, AMNESIA & STATINS
References (updated as of January 7, 2005):
Randomized trial of the effects of simvastatin on cognitive functioning in hypercholesterolemic adults.Am J Med. 2004 Dec 1;117(11):823-9. Muldoon MF, Ryan CM, Sereika SM, Flory JD, Manuck SB.Center for Clinical Pharmacology, University of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15260, USA. mfm10@pitt.edu"This study provides partial support for minor decrements in cognitive functioning with statins. Whether such effects have any long-term sequelae or occur with other cholesterol-lowering interventions is not known." This is the second of two studies by Muldoon, both showing measurable cognitive decline in statin groups after only 6 months, using Neuropsychological (NP) testing. Further, this study identifies the subset of NP tests that are "statin sensitive" in detecting the cognitive deficits. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra ct&list_uids=15589485
Effects of lovastatin on cognitive function and psychological well-being.
Muldoon MF, Barger SD, Ryan CM, Flory JD, Lehoczky JP, Matthews KA, Manuck SB. After 6 months, 100% of the patients on placeboes showed a measurable increase in cognitive function, while the statin patients showed a measurable decrease in cognitive function in some areas. Am J Med. 2000 May;108(7):538-46. PMID: 10806282 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1 0806282&dopt=Abstract
Cognitive impairment a_ssociated with atorvastatin and simvastatin.King DS, Wilburn AJ, Wofford MR, Harrell TK, Lindley BJ, Jones DW.Department of Medicine, University of Mississippi Medical Center, Jackson, Mississippi 39216, USA. dking@pharmacy.umsmed.eduPharmacotherapy. 2003 Dec;23(12):1663-7. "we report two women who experienced significant cognitive impairment temporally related to statin therapy. One woman took atorvastatin, and the other first took atorvastatin, then was rechallenged with simvastatin. Clinicians should be aware of cognitive impairment and dementia as potential adverse effects a_ssociated with statin therapy." PMID: 14695047 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra ct&list_uids=14695047
"DRUGS THAT MAKE YOU FORGET" Australian Adverse Drug Reactions Bulletin (Australia's equivalent to the FDA) Volume 17, Number 3, August 1998, section 3, page 3 Simvastatn is listed under "DRUGS THAT MAKE YOU FORGET" Recognizing the 14 reports of Amnesia under that drug, .8% of the total adverse effects for that drug. www.health.gov.au/tga/docs/pdf/aadrbltn/aadr9808.pdf
Statin-a_ssociated memory loss: analysis of 60 case reports and review of the literature. Wagstaff LR, Mitton MW, Arvik BM, Doraiswamy PM. Drug Information Service, Duke University Medical Center, Durham, North Carolina 27710, USA. Pharmacotherapy. 2003 Jul;23(7):871-80.
This study searched the MedWatch drug surveillance system of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) from November 1997-February 2002 for reports of statin-a_ssociated memory loss. They also reviewed the published literature. References from the study are good for follow-up research.
Abstract: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1 2885101&dopt=Abstract
Full Study Text free on Medscape:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/458867
The Role of Lipid-Lowering Drugs in Cognitive Function: A Meta-Analysis of Observational Studies
from Pharmacotherapy Posted 06/30/2003
Mahyar Etminan, Pharm.D., Sudeep Gill, M.D., FRCPC, Ali Samii, M.D., FRCPC
Although this study does bring the cognitive issues to light, it is a very poor study. The authors left out the pivotal study by Dr. Muldoon, that showed 100% of statin users had a measurable loss of cognitive ability after 6 months, while 100% of the placebo group improved their scores.
Abstract:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1 2820814&dopt=Abstract
Full Study Text free on Medscape:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/456866
Simvastatin-A_ssociated Memory Loss Amanda Orsi, Pharm.D., Olga Sherman, Pharm.D., and Zegga Woldesela_ssie, Pharm.D., Abstract: The statins are widely used to treat dyslipidemias. They are generally a_ssociated with mild adverse effects, but rarely, more serious reactions may occur. A 51-year-old man experienced delayed-onset, progressive memory loss while receiving simvastatin for hypercholesterolemia. His therapy was switched to pravastatin, and memory loss resolved gradually over the next month, with no recurrence of the adverse effect. from Pharmacotherapy Posted 06/01/2001 Page 1 of 3: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/409738?WebLogicSession=PXke2H8h99pyNVSCajAh5 clptzOAHJSZuNBobSwWmi9veWjdJ2A3%7C-1468812056489609316/184161392/6/7001/7001/700 2/7002/7001/-1 full printable version: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/409738_print
ADR of the Month September 2001 Vol. 6 No. 9 EDITORS Michelle W. McCarthy, Pharm.D. Anne E. Hendrick, Pharm.D.
University of Virginia Health System Department of Pharmacy Services Drug Information Center PO Box 800674 Charlottesville, VA 22908-0674 http://hsc.virginia.edu/pharmacy-services/Newsletters/ADR%20of%20the%20Month/ADR Month%209-01htm.html
Do HMG-CoA reductase inhibitors impair memory? The Tablet, a general member benefit published by the British Columbia Pharmacy A_ssociation, September 2001, Volume 10 no 8. Excerpt: Do HMG-CoA reductase inhibitors impair memory? After taking simvastatin for a year, a 51-year-old patient developed short term memory loss, to the extent of being unable to complete his sentences because he would forget what he was going to say. The drug was discontinued, replaced by pravastatin, and within one month his memory returned.14 In a separate case, a 67-year-old woman developed impaired short-term memory, altered mood, social impairment, cognitive impairment and dementia after one year of atorvastatin therapy. When atorvastatin was discontinued, her memory, mood and cognition improved completely.15 Memory impairment in a patient receiving atorvastatin has been reported to the BC Regional ADR Centre. REFERENCES: 14. Orsi A, Sherman O, Woldesela_ssie Z. Simvastatin-a_ssociated memory loss. 15. King DS, Jones DW, Wofford MR et al. First report of cognitive impairment in an elderly patient: case report. Pharmacotherapy 2001 Mar; 21: 371.
http://www.bcpharmacy.ca/publications/thetablet/pdf_version/BCPhA_Tablet-Sep2001.pdf See page 11 of 16:
AMNESIA & STATINS
Lipitor, Thief of Memory
Dr. Duane Graveline, retired family MD, USAF Flight Surgeon, researcher in space medicine and US Astronaut, who suffered adverse effects from Lipitor. The book is available through Amazon.com. Dr. Graveline maintains several websites and is working on a second book about statin drug side effects: www.spacedoc.net (you can start here and read about his life and his books) http://www.spacedoc.net/lipitor_thief_of_memory.html http://www.spacedoc.net/lipitor.htm http://www.spacedoc.net/statin_dialogues.htm
Australian Adverse Drug Reactions Bulletin (Australia's equivalent to the FDA) Volume 17, Number 3, August 1998, section 3, page 3 Simvastatn is listed under "DRUGS THAT MAKE YOU FORGET" Recognizing the 14 reports of Amnesia under that drug, .8% of the total adverse effects for that drug. www.health.gov.au/tga/docs/pdf/aadrbltn/aadr9808.pdf
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Please see also:
Mechanistic and epidemiologic considerations in the evaluation of adverse birth outcomes following gestational exposure to statins.Am J Med Genet. 2004 Dec 15;131A(3):287-98. Edison RJ, Muenke M.Medical Genetics Branch, National Human Genome Research Institute, National Institutes of Health, Department of Health and Human Services, Bethesda,Maryland 20892-3717, USA."The cholesterol-lowering "statin" drugs are contraindicated in pregnancy, but few data exist on their safety in human gestation. We reviewed case reports for patterns suggesting drug-related effects on prenatal development and considered a variety of mechanisms by which such effects, if confirmed, might occur. This uncontrolled case series included all FDA reports of statin exposures during gestation, as well as others from the literature and from manufacturers. Exposures and outcomes were reviewed and were tabulated by individual drug. Age-specific rates of exposure to each drug among women of child-bearing age were estimated. Of 214 ascertained pregnancy exposures, 70 evaluable reports remained after excluding uninformative cases. Among 31 adverse outcomes were 22 cases with structural defects, 4 cases of intrauterine growth restriction, and 5 cases of fetal demise. There were two principal categories of recurrent structural defects: cerivastatin and lovastatin were a_ssociated with four reports of severe midline CNS defects; simvastatin, lovastatin, and atorvastatin were all a_ssociated with reports of limb deficiencies, including two similar complex lower limb defects reported following simvastatin exposure. There were also two cases of VACTERL a_ssociation among the limb deficiency cases. All adverse outcomes were reported following exposure to cerivastatin, simvastatin, lovastatin, or atorvastatin, which are lipophilic and equilibrate between maternal and embryonic compartments. None were reported following exposure to pravastatin, which is minimally present in the embryo. Statins reaching the embryo may down-regulate biosynthesis of cholesterol as well as many important metabolic intermediates, and may have secondary effects on sterol-dependent morphogens such as Sonic Hedgehog. The reported cases display patterns consistent with dysfunction of cholesterol biosynthesis and Sonic Hedgehog activity. Controlled studies are needed to investigate the teratogenicity of individual drugs in this cla_ss."PMID: 15546153 [PubMed - in process]
Statins and risk of polyneuropathy, A case-control study D. Gaist, MD, PhD; U. Jeppesen, MD, PhD; M. Andersen, MD, PhD; L.A. Garc?a Rodr?guez, MD, MSc; J. Hallas, MD, PhD; and S.H. Sindrup, MD, PhD http://213.4.18.135/87.pdf full text
Preclinical safety evaluation of cerivastatin, a novel HMG-CoA reductase inhibitor. von Keutz E, Schluter G. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9 737641&dopt=Abstract Institute of Toxicology, PH-Product Development, Bayer AG, Wuppertal, Germany Am J Cardiol. 1998 Aug 27;82(4B):11J-17J. PMID: 9737641 "In dogs, the species most sensitive to statins, cerivastatin caused erosions and hemorrhages in the gastrointestinal tract, bleeding in the brain stem with fibroid degeneration of vessel walls in the choroid plexus, and lens opacity."
Subchronic toxicity of atorvastatin, a hydroxymethylglutaryl-coenzyme A reductase inhibitor, in beagle dogs. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8 864188&dopt=Abstract Walsh KM, Alba_ssam MA, Clarke DE. Parke-Davis Pharmaceutical Research, Division of Warner-Lambert Company, Ann Arbor, Michigan 48105, USA. "The toxicity of atorvastatin (AT), an inhibitor of hydroxymethylglutaryl-coenzyme A reductase (HMG), was evaluated in beagle dogs. hemorrhage in gallbladder and brain, demyelination of optic nerve, and skeletal muscle necrosis"
Finally, on memory loss and statins: Sworn testimony from the Baycol trial in Corpus Christi, Texas. From the transcript of the AM Session on 03-05-03, in the case Hollis Haltom Vs. Bayer Corporation. Testifying under oath,., in response to the plaintiff's attorney's question, "What is your current position at Bayer?", LAWRENCE POSNER, M.D of BAYER stated: "I'm the -- currently I'm the head of worldwide regulatory affairs for our prescription drug business, which means I have responsibility in somewhere between 60 and 100 countries where we sell products for registrations, compliance, things of that nature." Excerpts from the trial transcript follow, with the Q indicating counsel's Question, and the A indicating Dr. Posner's Answer: Q. So there are some concerns addressed here back in 1995 about testing up to .8. And do you know what the nature of the concern was? A. Yes. It was related to a side effect that occurred in the brain. Q. Of what kind of animal? A. It occurred in the brain of dogs. Q. Okay. So there was a side effect that occurred in dogs, and then there was a concern about whether you wanted to go forward and test at this higher dose level in human beings, given what you had learned about the dogs, right? A. That's correct. Q. Okay. Now, did you just say, well, let's forget about these concerns and we'll go ahead and put .8 on the market anyway, or did you do some further analysis that was not mentioned the other day? A. Yes. The authors of this had -- they had two concerns. One concern was the toxicity that they found in the brain of dogs. But the other was that they had no way to identify this and who might be at risk before it happened. So there was no way to detect that someone was at risk for this side effect. [skip some testimony on other topics] Q. Do you remember in one kind of animal there had been some studies done that there could be a particular kind of problem with one kind of animal? A. Oh, yeah. Yes, from the -- that's correct, from the toxicology studies. Q. Okay. And were you able to demonstrate to your own satisfaction, to SmithKline's satisfaction, to the FDA's satisfaction, that that particular problem that showed up with that kind of animal is not something that happens in human beings? A. Yes. We did it -- we did it by explaining the toxicology data. We also explained it on the basis of kinetic data. That actually at the higher levels of drug, what happens is a certain amount of drug is bound to proteins in the body that circulate; and therefore, is not -- cannot cause side effects. And actually, a much smaller proportion of the drug is free. And that what you corrected for that, you actually found out that the margins of safety were in fact greater than you would predict just from the animal data. Q. And as you move forward then and got approval and sold Baycol from 1997 through 2001, did that problem that had shown up with that one kind of animal ever become a problem with human beings? A. It was actually shown with other statins as well. It wasn't unique to cerivastatin. It was a problem -- it was identified early on with lovastatin and some of the others. In fact, for none of the statins did it ever predict for any clinical problem or toxicity. Q. So these animals would have that same problem regardless of which statin -- or at least with other statins? A. Certainly with lovastatin it was true. Q. But when it came time to human beings, that just wasn't something that happened to human beings? A. And I think today no one pays much attention to it.
Bill - 10 Jan 2005 00:56 GMT > Statin Adverse Effects FAQ: MEMORY LOSS & STATINS, AMNESIA & STATINS > [quoted text clipped - 109 lines] > > http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/456866 I've told you 2 or 3 times that the above statement is false. The study did not show that that 100% of statin users had a measurable loss of cognitive ability.
Bill
> Simvastatin-A_ssociated Memory Loss > Amanda Orsi, Pharm.D., Olga Sherman, Pharm.D., and Zegga Woldesela_ssie, [quoted text clipped - 196 lines] > happened to human beings? > A. And I think today no one pays much attention to it. listener - 10 Jan 2005 01:29 GMT >> Statin Adverse Effects FAQ: MEMORY LOSS & STATINS, AMNESIA & STATINS >> The Role of Lipid-Lowering Drugs in Cognitive Function: A [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Bill Do you really think that matters to folks like Sharonand zee? The short answer is "no". The long answer is more complicated, of course.
I would love to hear from people who would have the audacity to print out her "to my physician" letter and take it to their doctors and cardiologists!
Please, anyone who does this let us know the response you get from your doctor...(assuming he wants you to remain one of his/her patients...).
L.
Sharon Hope - 10 Jan 2005 01:47 GMT Primary care physicians and cardiologists have responded very positively to people with documented concerns.
The FDA and Health Canada provide for the filing of adverse affects. These reports form the basis for studies such as the one listed, "Statin-associated memory loss: analysis of 60 case reports and review of the literature."
A great many articles encourage patients to write down their concerns, to ensure that all their questions are answered. Documenting why the concern is not unique fosters communication with the professional.
If it is your personal experience that your physician reacts negatively to a written health concern, perhaps you should change physicians.
>>> Statin Adverse Effects FAQ: MEMORY LOSS & STATINS, AMNESIA & STATINS >>> The Role of Lipid-Lowering Drugs in Cognitive Function: A [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > L. Sharon Hope - 10 Jan 2005 01:35 GMT Your comments are incorrect. In the 2000 Muldoon study, Effects of Lovastatin on Cognitive Funciton and Psychological Well-being, the mean changes in cognitive performance were charted in the figure. Of the five measurements: Attention, Psychomotor Speed, Mental Flexibility, Working Memory, and Memory Recall, the mean for the statin group was consistently below the control group. The control group improved in all areas measured.
As for the statin group:
In 3 areas, Attention, Psychomotor Speed, and Attention, the mean was a negative measurement: a measureable loss of cognitive ability. In 2 areas, Attention and Psychomotor Speed, the range surrounding the mean is not only lower than the controls, but there is no overlap - the entire statin group's range is lower than the range for the control.
It is normal for humans to learn, and the control group shows learning. The statin group failed to show a normal level of learning.
The 2004 Muldoon study, Randomized Trial of the Effects of Simvastatin on Cognitive Functioning in Hypercholesterolemic Adults, summarized the 2000 study:
"In our initial investigation (7), a broad neuropsychological assessment battery was administered, and four individual
tests showed statistically significant effects of statin
treatment: Digit Vigilance, Recurrent Words, Elithorn
Mazes, and Grooved Pegboard."
and, about the 2004 study:
"In our re-examination of the effects of statins on cognitive
functioning, we found that treatment adversely affected
performance on neuropsychological tests that were
sensitive to lovastatin in our initial investigation. Performance
on new tests was also negatively affected by simvastatin,
as compared with placebo."
and
"Tests found to be sensitive to
the effects of statins tended to have relatively large learning
or practice effects, as evidenced by the improvement
seen in placebo-treated participants. This suggests that
the effects of statins on cognition may affect patients'
abilities to benefit from prior experience or devise performance-
enhancing strategies."
>> Statin Adverse Effects FAQ: MEMORY LOSS & STATINS, AMNESIA & STATINS >> [quoted text clipped - 327 lines] >> happened to human beings? >> A. And I think today no one pays much attention to it. listener - 10 Jan 2005 01:55 GMT OK, Bill. Here are your choices at this point:
1] Reiterate your point for the 4th time. 2] Give up. 3] Concede defeat. 4] Go have a cappucino and read some Faulkner, just to relax.
L.
> Your comments are incorrect. In the 2000 Muldoon study, Effects of > Lovastatin on Cognitive Funciton and Psychological Well-being, the [quoted text clipped - 406 lines] >>> that happened to human beings? >>> A. And I think today no one pays much attention to it. Bill - 10 Jan 2005 04:16 GMT > Your comments are incorrect. And exactly where in either the article or your response is it shown that
"showed 100% of statin users had a measurable loss of cognitive ability after 6 months"
The above is what you wrote.
I really think you can be blinded sometimes Sharon. The "100%" is simply not there anywhere. I have the article. Nothing in your response supports your assertion of 100%.
Bill
>In the 2000 Muldoon study, Effects of Lovastatin on Cognitive Funciton and >Psychological Well-being, the mean changes in cognitive performance were [quoted text clipped - 384 lines] >>> happened to human beings? >>> A. And I think today no one pays much attention to it. Sharon Hope - 10 Jan 2005 04:26 GMT Different readers, different interpretations.
>> Your comments are incorrect. > [quoted text clipped - 410 lines] >>>> that happened to human beings? >>>> A. And I think today no one pays much attention to it. listener - 10 Jan 2005 04:39 GMT Yes, but different facts?
L.
> Different readers, different interpretations.
>>> Your comments are incorrect. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> I really think you can be blinded sometimes Sharon. The "100%" is >> simply not there anywhere. I have the article. Nothing in your
>> response supports your assertion of 100%. >> >> Bill Bill - 10 Jan 2005 04:48 GMT > Different readers, different interpretations. No. It is not a matter of interpretation. It is a matter of what you are saying is absouletly not true. It is not there. You are a liar.
You lie about facts because you believe you cause justifies it. I challenge you to present evidence to support your interpretation of "100%"
Bill
>>> Your comments are incorrect. >> [quoted text clipped - 408 lines] >>>>> that happened to human beings? >>>>> A. And I think today no one pays much attention to it. listener - 10 Jan 2005 05:15 GMT >> Different readers, different interpretations.
> No. It is not a matter of interpretation. It is a matter of what you > are saying is absouletly not true. It is not there. You are a liar.
> You lie about facts because you believe you cause justifies it. I > challenge you to present evidence to support your interpretation of
> "100%" > > Bill
Challenge? Too late. All that matters is the spin.
What makes this all the more unfortunate is that, repeatedly, both Sharon and zee have misinterpreted/misstated information contained in their own links that supposedly support their own views. They then criticize the person who points it out to them. (Sharon will also bring up her husbands sad story again, just to divert attention). Eventually, if you keep it up, you'll be accused of harrassing them.
In the many times this has occurred in the last few years I don't recall seeing either one admit to it. I doubt she'll begin now.
L.
Sharon Hope - 10 Jan 2005 07:04 GMT Bill,
The numbers are in the chart published in the full text of the study.
When you read that chart, how else do you interpret the differences between the statin group and the control group for Attention, Psychomotor Speed, Mental Flexibility, Working Memory, and Memory Recall?
How else do you interpret, specifically, the Attention, Psychomotor Speed, and Mental Flexibility portions on the Figure at the top of page 539 of The American Journal of Medicine, volume 108, May 2000? The figure caption: Mean change in cognitive function between baseline and 6-month follow-up in the two treatment groups. Results are expressed as the change in summary z scores (and 95% confidence intervals) for each of the five domains of neuropsychological performance. A positive deflection indicates performance improvement and a negative deflection indicates performance decrement. See text for results of statistical analyses.
Do you see any overlap in the 't' bars showing the range for Attention and Psychomotor Speed between the two groups? Do you see any part of the shaded mean indicator that is anything but negative for the statin group and positive for the control group for Attention, Psychomotor Speed, and Mental Flexibility? That center line that divides the shaded areas is 0.0, and that measurement is "Change in Domain Performance." Note that the statin group means are below the 0.0 line and the control groups are above the 0.0 line.
Failure to learn is a cognitive decline, because normal is ongoing learning. In Attention and Psychomotor Speed, the mean shows not just failure to learn, it shows regression. The statin mean is a loss of cognitive ability in only 6 months of treatment. In all the 5 areas of measurement, the statin group mean is below the normal group.
If you were an employer, you would expect a new employee to function better on the job after working for 6 months than he did on the first day. The mean from the control group taking the placebo shows this is a reasonable assumption. The mean from the statin group, after only 6 months of treatment, shows the employee would perform worse on the job for Attention and Psychomotor Speed. In each of the areas, the mean from the control group would perform better than the person from the mean of the statin takers.
Which group would you as the employer retain?
>> Different readers, different interpretations. > [quoted text clipped - 424 lines] >>>>>> that happened to human beings? >>>>>> A. And I think today no one pays much attention to it. Bill - 10 Jan 2005 07:17 GMT > Bill, > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > in only 6 months of treatment. In all the 5 areas of measurement, the > statin group mean is below the normal group. Yes ,but here is what you said:
"showed 100% of statin users had a measurable loss of cognitive ability after 6 months"
This means 100% of the people who were statin users in the study showed a loss of cognitive ability. No where in the text or the figures is that stated or implied. What it showed was the statin group as a whole was below the other group. Not that every individual in the statin group lost cognitive ability.
Bill
> If you were an employer, you would expect a new employee to function better > on the job after working for 6 months than he did on the first day. The [quoted text clipped - 432 lines] >>>>>>> that happened to human beings? >>>>>>> A. And I think today no one pays much attention to it. Sharon Hope - 10 Jan 2005 07:37 GMT Bill said
>"What it showed was the statin group as a whole was below the other group. >Not that every individual in the statin group lost cognitive ability." Failure to learn is a loss of normal cognitive ability.
Two of the categories show a negative change, with every individual in the statin group scoring lower than any individual in the control group. That, by definition, is a cognitive deficit.
BTW, the second Muldoon study, published last month, confirms the findings for a second statin, and establishes the Neuropsychological Tests that reliably measure statin impact on cognition.
Have you read the other studies citing statin cognitive damage yet?
>> Bill, >> [quoted text clipped - 492 lines] >>>>>>>> something that happened to human beings? >>>>>>>> A. And I think today no one pays much attention to it. Bill - 10 Jan 2005 08:31 GMT > Bill said >>"What it showed was the statin group as a whole was below the other group. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Two of the categories show a negative change, with every individual in the > statin group scoring lower than any individual in the control group. I see nothing in the text or figures to support that. Could you explain precisely where it says
"every individual in the statin group scoring lower than any individual in the control group"
and that is also different from
"showed 100% of statin users had a measurable loss of cognitive ability after 6 months"
It says nothing like that either.
Bill
> That, by definition, is a cognitive deficit. > [quoted text clipped - 495 lines] >>>>>>>>> that happened to human beings? >>>>>>>>> A. And I think today no one pays much attention to it. Sharon Hope - 11 Jan 2005 04:31 GMT Per your questions on "Effects of Lovastatin on Cognitive Function and Psychological Well-being," Muldoon MF, Barger SD, Ryan CM, Flory JD, Lehoczky JP, Matthews KA, Manuck SB. Again, the chart says it. Look at the full study, specifically, the Attention, Psychomotor Speed, and Mental Flexibility portions on the Figure at the top of page 539 of The American Journal of Medicine, volume 108, May 2000.
A crude approximation of the chart in text:
The verticle axis on the left is "Change in domain performance." Since I can't do shaded boxes for the mean, SM indicates Statin Mean, PM indicates the Placebo Mean. The uprights indicate the range. Notice that the uprights do not overlap at all for Attention and Psychomotor Speed, nor do the mean boxes:
0.3 | | | 0.2 | | | P|M P|M P|M 0.1 P|M P|M P|M | P M | P M | P|M 0.0 -----|---------------|---------------|------------------------------------------------------- S|M S|M S|M -0.1 | | |
Attention Psychomotor Mental Speed Flexibility
"The figure caption: Mean change in cognitive function between baseline and 6-month follow-up in the two treatment groups. Results are expressed as the change in summary z scores (and 95% confidence intervals) for each of the five domains of neuropsychological performance. A positive deflection indicates performance improvement and a negative deflection indicates performance decrement. See text for results of statistical analyses."
Note that for Attention and Psychomotor Speed, the PM means and the PM uprights are above the 0.0 line, indicating improvement. Note that the SM means are below the 0.0 line, indicating a deficit, and the SM uprights are below the PMs, indicating a failure to learn at a normal pace.
The December 2004 study characterizes the 2000 study in these words:
"In 2000, we reported the results of our initial study of central nervous system effects of statins (7). The investigation
employed a double-blind, randomized, placebocontrolled
design to evaluate the effects of lovastatin on
cognitive functioning and mood among 209 middle-aged
adults with hypercholesterolemia. Compared with
masked placebo, 20 mg of lovastatin taken daily for 6
months had detrimental effects on cognitive performance
on four neuropsychological tests assessing attention,
working memory, and overall mental efficiency."
>> Bill said >>>"What it showed was the statin group as a whole was below the other [quoted text clipped - 538 lines] >>>>>>>>>> something that happened to human beings? >>>>>>>>>> A. And I think today no one pays much attention to it. Bill - 11 Jan 2005 04:54 GMT > Per your questions on "Effects of Lovastatin on Cognitive Function and > Psychological Well-being," Muldoon MF, Barger SD, Ryan CM, Flory JD, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > can't do shaded boxes for the mean, SM indicates Statin Mean, PM indicates > the Placebo Mean. The uprights indicate the range. No. You are misreading the chart. It clearly says in the description that what you call "uprights" is the 95% confidence interval. The fact that these do not overlap implies statistical significance. Further, nowhere does it say that this is the range of results. Further, if you look at Table 1 you will see that all measurments overlap.
Finally, even if your interpretation were correct (which it is not) it would still not mean
"The authors left out the pivotal study by Dr. Muldoon, that showed 100% of statin users had a measurable loss of cognitive ability after 6 months, while 100% of the placebo group improved their scores."
Because it would have been you, Sharon Hope, that decided where the line is be loss and improvement. Had I decided the bar was a little lower, the results would have been different. But as I said the point is moot.
Bill
Notice that the
> uprights do not overlap at all for Attention and Psychomotor Speed, nor do > the mean boxes: [quoted text clipped - 581 lines] >>>>>>>>>>> something that happened to human beings? >>>>>>>>>>> A. And I think today no one pays much attention to it. Sharon Hope - 11 Jan 2005 07:00 GMT YMMV
You, however, are ignoring the second study results, and the description of the first study therein.
>> Per your questions on "Effects of Lovastatin on Cognitive Function and >> Psychological Well-being," Muldoon MF, Barger SD, Ryan CM, Flory JD, [quoted text clipped - 630 lines] >>>>>>>>>>>> something that happened to human beings? >>>>>>>>>>>> A. And I think today no one pays much attention to it. Bill - 11 Jan 2005 07:14 GMT > YMMV No you are not telling the truth. You have claimed that figure 1 says something it does not. Do you agree or disagree with that. Stop avoiding the question.
Table 1 contridicts what you have said. Do you agree or disagree with that?
Even if everything you said were true it would not prove your initial statement. If you disagree with that state why.
> You, however, are ignoring the second study results, and the description of > the first study therein. Which says nothing to support your argument. Or if you believe it does quote precisely where it does.
Bill
>>> Per your questions on "Effects of Lovastatin on Cognitive Function and >>> Psychological Well-being," Muldoon MF, Barger SD, Ryan CM, Flory JD, [quoted text clipped - 624 lines] >>>>>>>>>>>>> something that happened to human beings? >>>>>>>>>>>>> A. And I think today no one pays much attention to it. Zee - 10 Jan 2005 01:25 GMT Sharon please add this to the master file. Zee
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> Statin Adverse Effects FAQ: MEMORY LOSS & STATINS, AMNESIA & STATINS
> To my physician,
> I believe that my symptoms may be due to the adverse effects a_ssociated > with cholesterol-lowering statin drugs. I need your help to understand the [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Further, this study identifies the subset of NP tests that are "statin > sensitive" in detecting the cognitive deficits. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt«stract &list_uids589485
> Effects of lovastatin on cognitive function and psychological well-being. > > Muldoon MF, Barger SD, Ryan CM, Flory JD, Lehoczky JP, Matthews KA, Manuck > SB. > After 6 months, 100% of the patients on placeboes showed a measurable
> increase in cognitive function, while the statin patients showed a > measurable decrease in cognitive function in some areas. > Am J Med. 2000 May;108(7):538-46. > PMID: 10806282 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids8 06282&dopt«stract
> Cognitive impairment a_ssociated with atorvastatin and simvastatin.King DS, > Wilburn AJ, Wofford MR, Harrell TK, Lindley BJ, Jones DW.Department of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > dementia as potential adverse effects a_ssociated with statin therapy." > PMID: 14695047 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt«stract &list_uids695047
> "DRUGS THAT MAKE YOU FORGET" > Australian Adverse Drug Reactions Bulletin (Australia's equivalent to the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Abstract: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids8 85101&dopt«stract
> Full Study Text free on Medscape: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Abstract: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids8 20814&dopt«stract
> Full Study Text free on Medscape: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Posted 06/01/2001 > Page 1 of 3: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/409738?WebLogicSession=PXke2H8h99pyNVSCajAh5 clptzOAHJSZuNBobSwWmi9veWjdJ2A3%7C-1468812056489609316/184161392/6/7001/7001/700 2/7002/7001/-1
> full printable version: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/409738_print > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > PO Box 800674 > Charlottesville, VA 22908-0674 http://hsc.virginia.edu/pharmacy-services/Newsletters/ADR%20of%20the%20Month/ADR Month%209-01htm.html
> Do HMG-CoA reductase inhibitors impair memory? > The Tablet, a general member benefit published by the British Columbia [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > impairment in an elderly patient: case report. Pharmacotherapy 2001 Mar; 21: > 371. http://www.bcpharmacy.ca/publications/thetablet/pdf_version/BCPhA_Tablet-Sep2001.pdf
> See page 11 of 16: > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > of limb deficiencies, including two similar complex lower limb defects > reported following simvastatin exposure. There were also two cases of
> VACTERL a_ssociation among the limb deficiency cases. All adverse outcomes > were reported following exposure to cerivastatin, simvastatin, lovastatin, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Statins and risk of polyneuropathy, A case-control study > D. Gaist, MD, PhD; U. Jeppesen, MD, PhD; M. Andersen, MD, PhD; L.A. García
> Rodríguez, MD, MSc; > J. Hallas, MD, PhD; and S.H. Sindrup, MD, PhD [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > inhibitor. > von Keutz E, Schluter G. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids3 7641&dopt«stract
> Institute of Toxicology, PH-Product Development, Bayer AG, Wuppertal,
> Germany > Am J Cardiol. 1998 Aug 27;82(4B):11J-17J. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Subchronic toxicity of atorvastatin, a hydroxymethylglutaryl-coenzyme A > reductase inhibitor, in beagle dogs. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids6 4188&dopt«stract
> Walsh KM, Alba_ssam MA, Clarke DE. > Parke-Davis Pharmaceutical Research, Division of Warner-Lambert Company, Ann [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > SmithKline's satisfaction, to the FDA's satisfaction, that that particular > problem that showed up with that kind of animal is not something that
> happens in human beings? > A. Yes. We did it -- we did it by explaining the toxicology data. We also [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > side effects. And actually, a much smaller proportion of the drug is free. > And that what you corrected for that, you actually found out that the
> margins of safety were in fact greater than you would predict just from the > animal data. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > happened to human beings? > A. And I think today no one pays much attention to it.
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