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leonspinks@excite.com - 08 Jan 2005 20:14 GMT
I just went to the doctor and he told me that i have one inguinal
hernia and a second in the begining stages. My doctor offered two
different options. One is the basic operation where they go through the
stomach wall and repair it with the mesh, the other is laproscopic. The
way i understand it is that with the laproscopic method he can repair
both hernias, there is a shorter recovery time, but there are more
risks.  I'm always a little hesitant to do something that isn't
neccessary and if the basic method carries less risk i am more apt to
lean that direction. Has anyone had any experience with these
operations? thanks.
P.Snot - 08 Jan 2005 21:59 GMT
>One is the basic operation where they go through the
>stomach wall ...

que? can someone explain this novel yet interesting technique?
Howard McCollister - 09 Jan 2005 15:15 GMT
>I just went to the doctor and he told me that i have one inguinal
> hernia and a second in the begining stages. My doctor offered two
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> lean that direction. Has anyone had any experience with these
> operations? thanks.

If you're going to have both sides repaired, the laparoscopic repair will
result in less pain and a slightly earlier return to normal activity,
assuming the surgeon is skilled at that difficult technique. The
complication rates between open and laparoscopic repairs are about the same.
If you're going to have just the one side repaired, then I would go with the
open repair.

HMc
Steven Bornfeld - 09 Jan 2005 19:54 GMT
> If you're going to have both sides repaired, the laparoscopic repair will
> result in less pain and a slightly earlier return to normal activity,
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>
> HMc

    May I ask why you'd go with open repair?

Steve
Howard McCollister - 10 Jan 2005 13:39 GMT
>> If you're going to have both sides repaired, the laparoscopic repair will
>> result in less pain and a slightly earlier return to normal activity,
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> Steve

Primarily because it has a lower recurrence rate, 20 minute operation, done
under local anesthesia with sedation instead of general anesthesia, almost
the same return to work, easier to find a surgeon competent to do it, less
expensive.

Basically, the advantages of open repair are greater than for laparoscopic
repair for a simple hernia when only one side is being done. The advantages
shift to laparoscopic when we're talking about bilateral repairs, or if it
is a recurrent hernia.

HMc
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS - 10 Jan 2005 17:04 GMT
> Primarily because it has a lower recurrence rate, 20 minute operation, done
> under local anesthesia with sedation instead of general anesthesia, almost
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>
> HMc

    Thanks for the reply.  I have one small hernia that is occasionally
symptomatic (esp. hay fever season) and a minimal one discovered by a
surgeon on exam.  He encouraged me to hold off on surgery for now.

Steve

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leonspinks@excite.com - 10 Jan 2005 05:16 GMT
thank you for you reply. why would you go with the laproscopic if you
were only having both sides done? why not do it if it was only one
side? what is a realisitc return to normal activity timetable for each
operation? will it take longer if I have both done as opposed to just
one? I guess the big question is safety. do both operations carry equal
risk or does laproscopic carry more risks because (a) you are under a
heavier anesthesia (b) there are more things for the scalpels to bump
into as they move from the incision to the hernia?  Obviously there is
no way to guarantee your doctor is skilled at this procedure, but my
doctor said this this surgery makes up for 60% of the work he does.
Just don't know if I should be doing both at once or waiting for the
second. thanks again for your help.
Howard McCollister - 10 Jan 2005 23:18 GMT
> thank you for you reply. why would you go with the laproscopic if you
> were only having both sides done? why not do it if it was only one
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> Just don't know if I should be doing both at once or waiting for the
> second. thanks again for your help.

The pain for a bilateral open repair is substantial, return to normal
activities longer. The pain is less and return to normal activities shorter
for bilateral laparoscopic repair. This is because open bilateral will
require two 2-inch incisions through the abdominal wall (one for each side),
whereas in bilateral laparoscopic both sides are done through the same three
puncture wounds.

A unilateral laparsocopic repair is not unreasonable, but the pros are often
not worth the cons, as in my previous post. The amount of pain is likely to
be less, and return to work may be earlier with a unilateral laparoscopic
repair.

The risks of open vs laparoscopic are roughly equivalent, depending on your
state of health. General anesthesia is required for laparoscopic repair
(usually), and that in itself does indeed carry some risk to your life,
although not much in a normal healthy adult - in fact not much more (and
some would say less) risk than the intravenous conscious sedation used with
the local anesthesia for open repair.

An open unilateral hernia repair hurts a lot for about 2-3 days. Return to
normal activity is variable depending on pain tolerance and what "normal"
acitivities you're talking about. After a unilateral open repair, patients
can often return to their desk job in a week. If the job requires a lot of
standing or heavy lifting, it's more likely longer, maybe as long as 6
weeks. A bilateral open repair will hurt a lot for a week or maybe two - 4-6
weeks, maybe longer, before you'd want to return to alligator wrestling. A
bilateral laparsocopic repair hurts a little more than a unilateral repair,
usually return to work in a week or so, and 2-4 weeks before returning to
strenuous physcial activity.

THESE ESTIMATES ARE ONLY ESTIMATES and can vary widely depending on the
surgeon, the patient, the kind of work the patient does, his pain tolerance,
lack of complications (such as infection, hematoma or scrotal swelling), and
what constitutes "normal" activity.

HMc
Steven Bornfeld - 11 Jan 2005 04:29 GMT
> The pain for a bilateral open repair is substantial, return to normal
> activities longer. The pain is less and return to normal activities shorter
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> HMc

    Great info--exactly what I wanted to know.

Thanks,
Steve
leonspinks@excite.com - 11 Jan 2005 04:43 GMT
thanks for the information.
 
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