Thanks for reading. I've never been to this group before, just picked
it up while googling and now posting now that I need some help.
I suspect my replies are going to be in the vein of "get yourself to
the ER room now!!!" type calls. However, although financially stable I
do not ever have a doctor, because I have a terrifying fear of all
medical matters - and now I have a problem which I suspect is a doozy.
I'm a white 34-yro male, overweight (266 pounds), 5 foot 8 in height.
Overall quality of heath is very good, no squeaks normally, don't
smoke or drink. Exercise regime poor to nil, office workplace.
I have no medical training whatsoever.
I have had flu for the last five days -it was quick onset, I have it
a few times each year, no big deal.
Earlier this week, while sitting on the couch, I coughed and felt a
mildly sharp pain right over the spleen. The initial pain went away
within a few minutes, but the paracetamol I was taking for the flu
probably contributed to that.
Since then, and up until last night, I was felling this pain whenever
I coughed, but to diminishing strengths. So I put the whole case down
to a stomach muscle pulled while coughing. I was also getting used to
the pain (which was diminishing to the point where I'm sure it would
have gone in a few days - I've had pulled stomach muscles before!), to
the point I found where if I pushed down on my diaphragm to stiffen my
abdominal walls, I could cough with minimal pain.
IT was while doing this last night during a particular bad cough that,
from the same area, I felt what would not be exaggerated to be the
worst abdominal pain I have ever felt in my entire life - it was like
I imagined a blunt knife going in. It immediately gave me trembling
hands, apprehension, sweating. It didn't paralyse me, but the pain
took much longer to subside completely this time - it also felt
"different" to the earlier pain, which has gone. The fact that one
seemed to take over from the other and in the same region seemed to
connect them, but otherwise they seemed different in severity and
type.
Now, I am unable to cough at all without felling a *severe* burning
sensation over my spleen - this hasn't abated over the last six hours
sleep. My motions aren't solid enough to need assistance to expel, but
if they did I suspect I would be in some trouble.
In most ways it's like a pulled stomach muscle - it's affecting my
range of abdominal movement without pain, I can't stretch that side.
But the severity of the pain is breathtaking - it has one setting, and
it's *very* *severe*.
My gut feeling is that I've somehow done a mischief with my spleen -
the pain is just too severe to be muscular, it's far beyond what I've
ever experienced before.
There are no external marks or lumps (I first suspected a hernia!), my
abdomen feels normal apart from the bottom of my ribs on my left side,
just as if I'd been punched there. slight pressure brings discomfort.
Can't really localise more than that.
I haven't collapsed yet, but you can imagine what's going through my
head - any constructive comments would be welcome.
Carey Gregory - 08 Jan 2005 00:59 GMT
>I suspect my replies are going to be in the vein of "get yourself to
>the ER room now!!!" type calls.
Yeah, probably. Or at least, "Go see a doctor in the morning."
>However, although financially stable I
>do not ever have a doctor, because I have a terrifying fear of all
>medical matters - and now I have a problem which I suspect is a doozy.
Which terrifies you more, doctors or death? The answer to that question
will lead you to the right course of action.
>I have had flu for the last five days -it was quick onset, I have it
>a few times each year, no big deal.
I doubt that. A viral infection, probably, but it's extraordinarily
unlikely you have influenza several times each year, or even once every
year. But that's all beside the point....
>Earlier this week, while sitting on the couch, I coughed and felt a
>mildly sharp pain right over the spleen. The initial pain went away
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>I haven't collapsed yet, but you can imagine what's going through my
>head - any constructive comments would be welcome.
So, are you simply waiting to collapse?
Abdominal pain can be among the most difficult things of all to diagnose, so
it sure isn't going to happen here. You might get some wild-a.s guesses,
but they'll be little more than that. The bottom line is any pain that can
be described as "breathtaking" and "*very* *severe*" needs to be
investigated. I've never heard of anyone injuring their spleen from
coughing, but that's not to say you don't have something serious going on.
Pain is a signal. I recommend you pay attention to it.
Your choice: suffer and worry, or have the damn thing looked at.
MilkyWhy - 08 Jan 2005 08:05 GMT
I would think some tear in the diaphram wall. Why not get ahold of some kind of
antibiotic and take it? Perhaps a farm supply store nearby has antibiotics,
since you appear to wish to avoid doctors and expensive therapies. Veterinary
antibiotics, shrewdly chosen, are as safe and effective as those marketed for
human use.
Let me know what happens with you. God Bless.
Carey Gregory - 08 Jan 2005 17:51 GMT
>I would think some tear in the diaphram wall. Why not get ahold of some kind of
>antibiotic and take it? Perhaps a farm supply store nearby has antibiotics,
>since you appear to wish to avoid doctors and expensive therapies. Veterinary
>antibiotics, shrewdly chosen, are as safe and effective as those marketed for
>human use.
Just in case anyone was wondering how antibiotic resistance happens....
P.Snot - 08 Jan 2005 18:19 GMT
>I would think some tear in the diaphram wall. Why not get ahold of some kind of
>antibiotic and take it? Perhaps a farm supply store nearby has antibiotics,
>since you appear to wish to avoid doctors and expensive therapies. Veterinary
>antibiotics, shrewdly chosen, are as safe and effective as those marketed for
>human use.
Funny nonsense!
So, basically, if the original poster has fear of doctors, he just can
go to the vet :D
And what dosis should he take? Horse-suppos or chicken-i.v.?
Oh, MilkyWhy, do you have some references? Some RCTs where they
compare veterinary antibiotics with human ones? No, not the studies
from the Journal Of The Third Reich Medical Association.
Can't wait for more
P
tech27 - 09 Jan 2005 05:15 GMT
>I would think some tear in the diaphram wall. Why not get ahold of some
>kind of
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>
> Let me know what happens with you. God Bless.
You may be very ill with a problem that does require medical intervention.
But if you hate doctors enough or are too cheap to pay for the therapy you
need, you may end up in a world of hurt and trouble. On the other hand, if
you think you can treat yourself with veterinary drugs that's great. The
human race does not need your genes in the pool.
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com - 09 Jan 2005 06:37 GMT
What's all this about animal antibiotics? Sprained spleens require
horse gallbladder tonic pills. Milkywhy is obviously pulling the leg
of this troll.
habshi - 09 Jan 2005 11:03 GMT
Its a broken rib and will heal
PleaseHelpMe - 11 Jan 2005 22:48 GMT
>(snip)>
Thanks for the response, even those who mistakenly thought I was
trolling.
In the end, I decided to leave it, and see how worse it got.
Over the last few days, the pain has receded to a degree, and I don't
appear to have suffered any other ill-effects.
The behaviour of the pain has been similar to that of a pulled muscle
- but it's severity even now, and longevity, lead me to believe that
it is something a little more serous.
Now, if I catch it by lying on my front, or stretching that side, or
coughing more than lightly, it just aches hard with just a little
bite, and not the knife-stab with ten minutes shaking that it was
causing a few days before.
I'd discounted the broken rib theory because it seems just a little
too low for a rib - but the description of the pain matches.
Emma Chase VanCott - 11 Jan 2005 23:17 GMT
: >(snip)>
: Thanks for the response, even those who mistakenly thought I was
: trolling.
: In the end, I decided to leave it, and see how worse it got.
: Over the last few days, the pain has receded to a degree, and I don't
: appear to have suffered any other ill-effects.
: The behaviour of the pain has been similar to that of a pulled muscle
: - but it's severity even now, and longevity, lead me to believe that
: it is something a little more serous.
If you had a pulled muscle type injury, it could be a 'trigger point'.
I assume you have seen a doctor, and that they find "nothing" when
examining your abdomen, chest and back.
Trigger Points can cause abdominal pain, back pain, chest pain, etc. They
can cause GREAT GREAT misery.
Look for them when other exams and tests fail to diagnose something.
A good resource is the Trigger Point Workbook by Clair Davies. (A layman's
'light version' of the famous Travell and Simons physical medicine text.)
Emma
:D