Hi everyone :) I aprologize this is long... PLEASE READ.
Let me give a lil background. I'm 21, Female and have develop serious
ankle problems. Its been over 4years since i've been able to
run/excerise. My left ankle was the start. I have had 3surgerys on the
left one. Arthoscopic, Arthoscpic again (casted) and ligament repair,
and OATS procedure. The OATS made it more stable but Im going to have
to probably have one more surgery.
Now here is the issue. My right ankle has had to support me for the
last 4years when i've been on crutches. Somehow I must of hurt it
during this process. My right ankle about a year ago started to go out
on me. The only way I can describe is that I feel something shift in my
foot and then I CAN'T MOVE IT UP even if I could bare the pain I still
cant physicall move it up. It feels lock. At first my foot and big toe
would feel numb when I woke up. Then it just started to hurt all the
time and finally the pain went into the back of my outter R ankle where
the ligaments are.
During the year my doctor didnt do anything because he was working on
my L ankle. He said one ankle at a time. At first his assistant
suggested some type of nerve test but the doctor said no(not sure y).
Anyhow after the left ankle surgery was done; I ended up w/ a MRI and
all the MRI shows basically is that there is fluid in my foot but they
do not know why. The doctor asked me if I had any injury, a FORIEGN
object, or cut it. The answer is no to all of those. Now he wants me to
go to him when it goes out so he can see it because he does not know
what is going on. Well my luck insurances change and I cant see him :(.
My new insurance sends me to another guy and I explain the situation.
My ankle now goes out every other wk and sometimes for days. You cant
live like this. Im suposed to be swimming but I cant cuz my R ankle
locks up on me. BTW anyone know of a waterproof brace for the ankle??
Back to my story I got a 2nd MRI and once again showed fluid but they
do not know what is causing it. The doctor gave me a cortisone shot
because he said it would tell me if it was in my inner ankle or had to
do w/ ligaments. Well he said my ligaments are fine. The shot FAILED.
So the next step was arthoscopic surgery and all he found was a lot of
scar tissue and depris. He said sometimes it can pinch and that could
explain why my ankle locked up on me. But still does explain where the
scar tissue came from?. Anyway they kept me in a walking boot for the
last 6wks to let it heal.
At first my ankle did feel better. I could move it straight down again
w/out pain and it sat like a normal foot. My foot kinda pulls to the
left. But it stills cracks badley. I'll move it up and it will crack.
Well about a wk ago it tried to lock up again but it just felt like
there wasnt enough fluid to go out and my bones grinded. 2days ago it
locked up on me again!! Now it hurtting like it did before.
I need help. Does anyone know of a similar problem?? Could it be
something else like bad nerves?? Another solution?? Any tests I should
asked them to do?? Please help because I do not know what to do. I
cant excerise or swim or work normal because of this. I need help. Im
going back to the doctors in a few days and I just dont want to hear
"We dont know what the cause of it and dont know how to fix it." There
must be something else.
Thankyou for reading and helping!! Please Post ANYTHING.
outrider@despammed.com - 31 Dec 2004 00:42 GMT
Surgeons want to do surgery. Stop going to the surgeon. "If you
continue to do what you have always done, you will continute to get the
result you have always got."
See a physical therapist. Look in the yellow pages and find someone who
has a master's degree, preferably, one who advertises "active" therapy,
and one who specializes in foot and ankle.
If there is a university medical school near you with a Rehabilitation
Medicine School, call and ask for a referral of someone very
experienced in diagnosing and rehabing ankle injuries post surgery,
where the surgery didn't work. (Trust me, they've heard this before).
You will get an impartial assessement and be able to decide from there
is you want to take on therapy. But be warned, there is no quick fix
with physical therapy. (Looks like *no* fix with surgery).
Zee
nospam@pacbell.net - 01 Jan 2005 01:39 GMT
Funny thing.......
A month ago my son had surgery on his left ankle. He has been on crutches ever
since the surgery and will be on them for at least two more weeks.
This morning he mentioned that his right ankle is beginning to feel weird. I
will insist that he go to a physical therapist to learn how to use his right
foot in such a way that it will not become troublesome.
Ora
>Hi everyone :) I aprologize this is long... PLEASE READ.
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>must be something else.
>Thankyou for reading and helping!! Please Post ANYTHING.
Excel Zero - 04 Jan 2005 01:30 GMT
I have two ideas on this one. As a man of medicine I would always
suggest that you see a doctor. As Zee said take some time away from
surgeons and try the rehabilitative approach. Here is what it sounds
like to me. (This of course is opinion based on words and not
actually seeing you)
There are many possibilities but there are two that jump to mind.
1. Microfibrous tearing - Due to youe persistent L ankle problem, you
are spending a long time compensating on your right foot. This takes
most of your pressure and puts it on your right side.
Example - If you have a 200lb man who undergoes a semi serious Left
Knee Arthroscopy, he will undoubtedly not want to put pressure on his
Left side due to post operative pain. This is not uncommon since most
humans dn't like pain. However the consequence is that now the right
side is taking 75% of the weight or approximately 150lbs of weight.
(these numbers are not accurate, just using them to explain) Now if
this man's right side is typically holding 100lbs, imagine the shock
of consistently holding 150lbs or more. What can end up happening is
a strengthening of muscles due to excess load and a weakening of
cartilage, joints, and ligaments. Muscles now have even more load
because this man has an unknown injury to his right knee and his
supporting muscles have to take over where a weakness.
Now you can have small microscopic tears to the ligaments in right
ankle and may not have known it for a long time. Until that dreadful
fluid which can be acidic in nature cause pain when they leak all
over the already sensitive neural pathways surrounding the damaged
ligament.
2. Ligament tearing - I know this sounds suspiciosly like the previous
possibility but here is the difference. Although not as common, it is
possible to sustain a bigger tear to a ligament and not have it
picked up by MRI technology.
Case in point (unfortunately I love long winded examples...sorry)
A gentleman came into the local ER in my area complaining of non
specific, non traumatic lower back and flank pain. He has an X-ray in
the usual positions which is found to be unremarkable. His MRI shows
only a bluged disc in the L5-S1 region. Typically a bulged disc can
exist in a patient who is completely asymptomatic. The ER diagnosis
is Myofascial pain syndrome and he is placed on an anti-depressant
which the staff hoped would shut down the overactive nerves they
percieved. A week later he returns to the ER with the same symptoms,
although dramatically worse. He is given a follow up MRI which shows
a collapsed L5-S1 disc and is now treated at an out patient rehab
clinic.
The problem with MRI and other imaging technology is that while they
are VERY useful in diagnostics, they are not the end all be all and
alot of doctors think they are.
Again I apologize for making this so lengthy so here is my summary
with suggestions.
Those two possibilities can both be due to over compensation. that is
to say you are constantly using your Right side to take the brunt of
your weight.
I have three suggestions
1. Try rehab as Zee suggested.
2. Try massage. Lymphatic and deep specific massage have been shown to
have incredible healing effects on scar tissue.
3. Try a chiropractor. Believe it or not, some chiropractors are
pioneering foot work in their offices. There are many bones in the
foot and they can be dissaligned. By some manipulation, a
chiropractor can have people walking and dancing again in no time.
Good luck
Any further questions? I would be happy to help
aimangiers@yahoo.com
Anklez - 06 Jan 2005 20:37 GMT
Thanks for everyone suggestions. I am going to stay way from surgery
until they can actually explain what is wrong w/ my ankle. My doctor is
sending me to thearpy. Call it a gut feeling but I think there still
something else wrong that thearpy cant fix.
The doctor told me when he went in there that my ligaments and
everything looked fine. Im going thru the steps so hopefully someone
will go "OH its this".
I want to try swimming again w/ it.
If thearpy doesnt work Excel Zero then what is my next step? I just
dont like getting "I dont know why your ankle is doing this". Thanks
again!
Excel Zero - 06 Jan 2005 22:28 GMT
Well the problem is with a lot of western medicine is that therapy is
usually a first step in orthopedics. A typical ortho consult and
treatment may look like this.
1. Physical Therapy/medicine
2. Aggressive Therapy
3. Surgery
So in a way it seems that the ortho you are seeing went backwards. Now
of course there are exceptions to this "rule." If you go in with a
clear case of knee dislocation with tendon tear then typically
surgery is the first step. Do you have an email account? if so, click
my name for my profile and email me and I might be able to find more
information. Look forward to hearing from you
Excel