Science or Miracle?; Holiday Season Survey Reveals Physicians' Views
of Faith, Prayer and Miracles
NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 20, 2004--A national survey of 1,100
physicians, conducted by HCD Research and the Louis Finkelstein
Institute for Religious and Social Studies of The Jewish Theological
Seminary in New York City over the past weekend, found that 74% of
doctors believe that miracles have occurred in the past and 73%
believe that can occur today.
The poll also indicated that American physicians are surprisingly
religious, with 72% indicating they believe that religion provides a
reliable and necessary guide to life.
Those surveyed represent physicians from Christian (Roman Catholic,
Protestant, Orthodox Christian and other), Jewish (Orthodox,
Conservative, Reform and secular) Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist religious
traditions.
"The picture that emerges is one where doctors, although presumably
more highly educated than their average patient, are not necessarily
more secular or radically different in religious outlook than the
public, stated Dr. Alan Mittleman, Director of The Finkelstein
Institute.
"Our business is to determine physicians' needs and requirements
relevant to the health care environment and this study was a great
opportunity for us to use our methodology to explore physicians'
spirituality and personal beliefs," explained Glenn Kessler,
Co-Founder and Managing Partner, HCD Research in Flemington, NJ. The
study affirmed earlier polls conducted by HCD that indicate a
correlation between physicians' spiritual and political conservatism.
Additional findings indicate:
-- (58%) (over half) attending worship services at least one time per
month
-- 46% (a plurality) believe that prayer is very important in their
own lives
Physicians views of the Bible and religious teachings
Often, religious conviction, especially a belief in the miraculous,
declines as level of education increases. This does not appear to hold
true for physicians. Perhaps because of their frequent involvement
with matters of life and death, physicians show significant openness
to religion. Regarding their views on miracles and the source of the
Bible:
-- 37% physicians believe that the Bible's miracle stories are
literally true while 50% believe they are metaphorically true. 12%
indicated that they did not believe in the Bible's description of
miracles
-- 9% believe the Bible was written by God, 58% believe the Bible was
inspired by God and 34% consider it human ancient literature.
-- 55% believe that medical practice should be guided by religious
teaching (44% do not)
Religion and the practice of medicine
Perhaps the most surprising result of the survey is that a majority of
doctors (55%) said that they have seen treatment results in their
patients that they would consider miraculous (45% do not). Most
physicians pray for their patients as a group (51%). Even more, 59%
pray for individual patients.
67% encourage their patients to pray. Of those physicians, 5% did so
for God to answer their prayers, 32% for psychological benefits and
63% for both reasons. 33% did not encourage their patients to pray.
Religious Differences
The quality of doctors' religiosity differs according to their own
religious background. Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox Christian
doctors tend to hold more supernatural views than Jewish doctors, with
the exception of Orthodox Jewish physicians, who resemble their
Christian peers. For example, 60% of Protestant doctors believe that
the miracles stories of the Bible are literally true. By comparison,
although 53% of Orthodox Jews agree, among Conservative and Reform
Jews the percentage drops to 12% and 4% respectively. Such differences
do not indicate that Christians are more religious than Jews. They do
indicate that Christians tend to be religious in a more traditional
way, while Jews are religious in liberal way. 79% and 95% of
Conservative and Reform Jews say that they are liberal believers, as
compared with only 48% of Protestants.
Physicians differ regarding their perceptions of their control of
treatment outcomes versus the influence of the supernatural or of acts
of God. 35% of Catholics believe that all or a lot of the outcome of
treatment is due to these non-medical sources, 46% of Protestants
concur while only 20% of Jews attribute outcomes to non-medical
influences.
Editors/Reporters: For more information on the poll, or to speak with
Dr. Mittleman or Glenn Kessler, please contact Sherry Kirschenbaum in
the Department of Communications at (212) 678-8953; or email
shkirschenbaum@jtsa.edu.
HCD Research is a marketing and advertising research company
headquartered in Flemington, NJ. The company's services include
traditional and web-based marketing and advertising research. For
additional information on HCD Research, access the company's web site
at www.hcdi.net or call HCD Research at 908-788-9393.
The Finkelstein Institute provides a venue to advance dialogue at the
intersection of religion and public affairs. Founded in 1886 as a
rabbinical school, The Jewish Theological Seminary today is the
academic and spiritual center of Conservative Judaism worldwide,
encompassing a world-class library and five schools. JTS trains
tomorrow's religious, educational, academic and lay leaders for the
Jewish community and beyond.
Visit the JTS website at www.jtsa.edu
Contacts
HCD Research
Glenn Kessler, 908-788-9393
grkessler@hcdi.net
Vic Sagerquist - 21 Dec 2004 21:20 GMT
on 21 Dec 2004 in alt.atheism, sunseeker dropped trou, farted, whirled,
then shouted:
> Science or Miracle?
Or maybe bedside manner?

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Specter133 - 21 Dec 2004 22:32 GMT
>on 21 Dec 2004 in alt.atheism, sunseeker dropped trou, farted, whirled,
>then shouted:
>
>> Science or Miracle?
>
>Or maybe bedside manner?
Typical "thoughtful" post for you, Vic: delete the article
then throw out a meaningless, flippant response.
Pathetic.
Vic Sagerquist - 22 Dec 2004 00:39 GMT
>>on 21 Dec 2004 in alt.atheism, sunseeker dropped trou, farted, whirled,
>>then shouted:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Pathetic.
With the typical whiny-a.s response from you, Shpincter. If you don't like
my responses, killfile me.

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Hebrews 11:1
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen.
Denis Loubet - 21 Dec 2004 22:17 GMT
> Science or Miracle?; Holiday Season Survey Reveals Physicians' Views
> of Faith, Prayer and Miracles
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> doctors believe that miracles have occurred in the past and 73%
> believe that can occur today.
Do they have any evidence of miracles? No? Then so what?
Doctors can believe in Homeopathy, for Pete's sake.

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Brian Westley - 22 Dec 2004 03:10 GMT
>> Science or Miracle?; Holiday Season Survey Reveals Physicians' Views
>> of Faith, Prayer and Miracles
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> doctors believe that miracles have occurred in the past and 73%
>> believe that can occur today.
>Do they have any evidence of miracles? No? Then so what?
>Doctors can believe in Homeopathy, for Pete's sake.
Meanwhile, a Cardinal wants to remove the "miracle" requirements
for sainthood:
http://www.cathnews.com/news/412/117.php
The London Times is reporting that Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone of Genoa
disclosed that Cardinal Ratzinger has presented a formula to Pope John
Paul II for the abolition of the the "miracle clause".
The paper says Cardinal Bertone revealed that there is a growing feeling
in the Vatican that the need for miracles for both beatification and
canonisation was "anachronistic".
...
I guess the RCC is finding it harder to find miracles nowadays.
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Merlyn LeRoy
JTEM - 21 Dec 2004 22:38 GMT
> NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 20, 2004--A national
> survey of 1,100 physicians, conducted by HCD Research and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> miracles have occurred in the past and 73% believe that can
> occur today.
Cool. Now ask them to define "miracle."
What you'd find -- if you bothered to look -- is that what one
doctor calls a "miracle" another doctor would not.
Maybe it's just a lucky break. Maybe it's a misdiagnosis.
The vast majority of "Miracle" claims not only can't pass
scrutiny, but they can't even be tested.
Heck, instead of arguing it further or trying to explain it, I'll
simply re-post a definition for a medical "miracle" that I
came across not too long ago, and invite "miracle" believers
to limit their claims to "miracles" that satisfy this criteria:
1) The illness/injury must be medically diagnosed.
2) The condition must be serious.
3) The prognosis irrevocable.
4) The condition must be organic or result from an accident.
5) There must be no treatment. An example here would be
an inoperable cancer.
6) The cure must be "sudden and instantaneous."
7) Finally, the cure must be total & lasting, without any period
of convalescence.
Ike - 22 Dec 2004 03:11 GMT
> Science or Miracle?; Holiday Season Survey Reveals Physicians' Views
> of Faith, Prayer and Miracles
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> religious, with 72% indicating they believe that religion provides a
> reliable and necessary guide to life.
This seems phony.

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The argument that everything had a Creator because it's too complicated, is
about as reasonable as saying that it couldn't have been created since it's
too complicated.
It's about like saying that a super flea created a dog. Then
the good fleas go to a great dog in the sky, while the bad unbelieving fleas
are scratched off into a super rug to be forever hungry. If you think dogs
weren't created by a Great Flea then you are an atheist flea.
Mark K. Bilbo - 22 Dec 2004 03:58 GMT
> Science or Miracle?; Holiday Season Survey Reveals Physicians' Views of
> Faith, Prayer and Miracles
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> religious, with 72% indicating they believe that religion provides a
> reliable and necessary guide to life.
<snip>
Oh. Boy. So it won't matter much longer whether anybody has insurance
because the doctors will be practicing voodoo...

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Elf M. Sternberg - 22 Dec 2004 17:23 GMT
> The poll also indicated that American physicians are surprisingly
> religious, with 72% indicating they believe that religion provides a
> reliable and necessary guide to life.
... which is a lower number than the general population. It's
no surprise that physicians, those who interact with patients on a
regular basis, reflect the makeup of the people they see and the
community they live in daily. Medicine is a conservative profession for
the most part.
None of this study shows a damn thing about the efficacy of
prayer or the legitimacy of their beliefs. Please try again.
Elf
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 23 Dec 2004 16:24 GMT
> Science or Miracle?; Holiday Season Survey Reveals Physicians' Views
> of Faith, Prayer and Miracles
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> study affirmed earlier polls conducted by HCD that indicate a
> correlation between physicians' spiritual and political conservatism.
> Additional findings indicate:
>
[quoted text clipped - 77 lines]
> tomorrow's religious, educational, academic and lay leaders for the
> Jewish community and beyond.
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MarkA - 23 Dec 2004 16:29 GMT
> Science or Miracle?; Holiday Season Survey Reveals Physicians' Views of
> Faith, Prayer and Miracles
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> religious, with 72% indicating they believe that religion provides a
> reliable and necessary guide to life.
Note that they are NOT saying that all these docs personally believe in
God, just that religion is "good for you."
<snip remainder>
I know a few docs that are quite fervent theists. One Family Practice
doc, in particular, is VERY Catholic, won't prescribe oral contraceptives,
etc. I suppose that it is just another demonstration that being in a job
that requires a lot of rational thinking in one sphere doesn't preclude
being non-rational in others. Docs aren't really scientists themselves so
much as very educated in the results of scientific investigations. Bear
in mind also that the history of medicine goes back much farther than the
modern scientific era. In addition to all the treatments that have been
discovered and refined scientifically, there is a LOT in medicine that
owes more to witchcraft than to science.

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