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awthrawthr@yahoo.com - 08 Dec 2004 04:06 GMT
Today a customer told me of her experience with high cholesterol (248).

Her doctor had put her on several drugs. Each one caused her health
problems. So she finally gave up on drugs and started using red yeast
rice. Her cholesterol dropped from 248 to 187 in six months. She took
four capsules of red yeast rice a day.
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David Wright - 08 Dec 2004 04:29 GMT
>Today a customer told me of her experience with high cholesterol (248).
>
>Her doctor had put her on several drugs. Each one caused her health
>problems. So she finally gave up on drugs and started using red yeast
>rice. Her cholesterol dropped from 248 to 187 in six months. She took
>four capsules of red yeast rice a day.

Same ingredient as one of the prescription statins.  Imagine that.

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awthrawthr@yahoo.com - 08 Dec 2004 04:36 GMT
>Same ingredient as one of the prescription statins. Imagine that.<

Which is exactly why patients should avoid the artificial statins that
can damage or kill them when they can take a natural substance that
does the job without the harmful effects.
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David Wright - 09 Dec 2004 03:41 GMT
>>Same ingredient as one of the prescription statins. Imagine that.<
>
>Which is exactly why patients should avoid the artificial statins that
>can damage or kill them when they can take a natural substance that
>does the job without the harmful effects.

Assuming that the "natural" (a question-begging term if ever there was
one) substance actually does the job.  There is no a priori reason to
assume that red rice/Mevacor will work for everyone.

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awthrawthr@yahoo.com - 09 Dec 2004 04:29 GMT
If a person thinks Mevacor is indicated, then Red Yeast Rice ought to
be tried first since the side effect profile of RYR is far better, and
it seems to work.
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Steve - 09 Dec 2004 04:53 GMT
What makes you all think that the natural substance (mevastatin, which
is identical with the drug Mevacor) is without harmful effects?

Look, folks. Red rice yeast does not make mevastatin in order to lower
your cholesterol. It makes it as a natural antibiotic to poison other
yeasts. And possibly also larger animals that are trying to eat the
rice that the yeast wants.

Statins are cell-cycle disruptors. That's why they call them statins,
don't you know. To grow, cells need to make sterols and steroids, and
statins keep them from doing it. In that, they remind me of nothing so
much as small doses of chemotherapeutic agents. For example,
methotrexate. Methtrexate keeps cells from making DNA, but a small dose
of it has a somewhat similar effect on the immune system as statins do.
Fewer lymphocytes are made. Cellular immunity is disrupted. Autoimmune
diseases are modified. Voila. Including the autoimmune problems that
start with macrophage recruitment, then progress to foam cell
production, and on to atheroma.

SBH

sbharris atROMAN9.netcom.com
Jim Chinnis - 08 Dec 2004 04:37 GMT
awthrawthr@yahoo.com wrote in part:

>Today a customer told me of her experience with high cholesterol (248).
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Statins reduce cholesterol.
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zwalanga@yahoo.com - 08 Dec 2004 07:23 GMT
> Today a customer told me of her experience with high cholesterol (248).
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She's about to meet the law of diminishing returns.
Ed Mathes - 08 Dec 2004 12:28 GMT
Did she take Mevacor?  What was the effect?

We already know Red Rice Yeast, as a naturally occurring form of Mevacor,
lowers cholesterol.

If she tool Mevacor and had side effects, you have an argument.  If not, you
don't.

Ed
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awthrawthr@yahoo.com - 09 Dec 2004 04:36 GMT
>Did she take Mevacor? What was the effect?

She only said that she had taken several different prescriptions and
that each one gave her side effects. She did not identify which ones
she took.

>We already know Red Rice Yeast, as a naturally occurring form of Mevacor,
>lowers cholesterol.
>If she took Mevacor and had side effects, you have an argument. If
not, you don't.

I disagree. She shouldn't have to experience side effects first in
order to try red yeast rice. As it turns out, the RYR worked for her
and has not caused her any side effects during the six months that she
has used it. Meanwhile her cholesterol has dropped 61 points.
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