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headache after x-rays
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postar@email.si - 07 Dec 2004 15:28 GMT Hi!
I'm having a medical problem here and would be highly grateful for any kind of advice you may have regarding my situation.
Due to continues chest pain in the last few weeks my doctor send me to radiography for an x-ray examination. Since the first x-ray images didn't show much, I was sent back for another set of examination but this time the shots were taken from the side of by body.
Now here comes the problem. After the second set of examination I got a rather strange feeling - sort of a tension - in my head and a headache. The headache was gone in a couple of hours but the tension is still there. And this morning when I woke up and opened my eyes the entire room was spinning! I had to close my eyes and slowly open them again in a couple of minutes and then wait for my eyes to get the focus back.
Now, could this be from a plain x-ray examination of the CHEST? I'm a healthy 24 year old male that doesn't take drugs or any kind of medication except some vitamins from time to time. Thanks for any kind of feedback! -Postar
Howard McCollister - 07 Dec 2004 15:44 GMT > Hi! > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > medication except some vitamins from time to time. > Thanks for any kind of feedback! No. Your symptoms have absolutely nothing to do with the X-radiographs that you had taken.
HMc
Cindy - 07 Dec 2004 16:03 GMT > Hi! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Due to continues chest pain in the last few weeks my doctor send me to > radiography for an x-ray examination. Since the first x-ray images AP and Lateral chest as routine, OK.
> didn't show much, I was sent back for another set of examination but > this time the shots were taken from the side of by body. So, they retook only lateral. That happens quite often. Did you expand your lungs fully?
> Now here comes the problem. After the second set of examination I got a > rather strange feeling - sort of a tension - in my head and a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > again in a couple of minutes and then wait for my eyes to get the focus > back. Tension is not caused by x-ray photons.
> Now, could this be from a plain x-ray examination of the CHEST? I'm a > healthy 24 year old male that doesn't take drugs or any kind of > medication except some vitamins from time to time. Today's x-ray machines use a very small dose of x-rays, which is even smaller than the amount you receive from the nature (land, sky, food, computer screens, and so on) every year. If you have lived for 24 years in this earth, you'll beat x-ray photons.
Repeating Rifle - 07 Dec 2004 18:44 GMT > Hi! > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Thanks for any kind of feedback! > -Postar I can only give my verfy unprofessional opinion. I am not a health care worker.
I cannot understand how x-rays of you chest can produce headaches. I can understand that there may be things wrong with you that are difficult to diagnose. Chest pain can come from arthritic conditions. If you are worried about your heart, see a good cardiologist, not just your primary care physician. Keep after your doctors to find out what is wrong with you.
My experience is that if theyt know what to do and have cures, they can usually do a decent job. More often, if you do not have one of the top 10 or even 50 ailments, they are clueless and helpless to help. I am now undergoing treatment, based upon surgery, for normal pressure hydrocephalus. It was discovered from an MRI of my head that was not performed until I squeaked loud enough.
That said, you might still be a wacko hypochondriac.
Bill
Sandia - 07 Dec 2004 20:16 GMT for a chest x-ray, you receive ~4mrem dose, which is about 4 days of backgound radiation (U.S. 360mrem/yr). unlike barium enema (~870 mrem) or CT (700 to 900 rem), you can have several 10 x-ray per year without any side effect.
> > Hi! > > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Bill Juhana Harju - 07 Dec 2004 21:14 GMT > for a chest x-ray, you receive ~4mrem dose, which is about 4 days of > backgound radiation (U.S. 360mrem/yr). unlike barium enema (~870 [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >> >> Bill I just want to share my personal experience. Few years ago three x-rays were taken of my chest and spine at the same day. For three days or so after that I felt very frail and I am sure the reason was those x-rays. I would't call you a wacko hypocondriac. This is just something that people in medical profession can't explain. So they are denying it.
Juhana
Cindy - 07 Dec 2004 21:49 GMT > I just want to share my personal experience. Few years ago three x-rays were > taken of my chest and spine at the same day. For three days or so after that > I felt very frail and I am sure the reason was those x-rays. I would't call > you a wacko hypocondriac. This is just something that people in medical > profession can't explain. So they are denying it. I have news for you. Ionizing radiation may damage your tissue cells temporarily, but your body can repair 90% by themselves. Yeah, it may cause some strange feeling depending on the person just like a side-effect of any medication, just like an allergic reaction, so to speak. I felt very tired myself for several days after two views of chest x-ray too. Now, I have a question for you. Do you want to have your x-ray pictures taken and diagnosed properly by a physician in spite of such risks? Or, do you want to avoid x-rays and stay unproperly diagnosed and stay in a pain? It's up to you. You can refuse your exams any time.
By the way, in my earlier post, didn't anybody notice a mistake? It's got to be PA instead of AP.
Juhana Harju - 07 Dec 2004 22:00 GMT >> I just want to share my personal experience. Few years ago three >> x-rays were taken of my chest and spine at the same day. For three [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > unproperly diagnosed and stay in a pain? It's up to you. You can > refuse your exams any time. That was interesting to know. Of course I want to be diagnosed properly but next time I don't want to get that much radiation at the same day if I can choose that myself. I would rather have those x-rays on different days.
Juhana
Ed Mathes - 07 Dec 2004 22:49 GMT Unbelievable!
A whole conversation without any contradicting comments, assumptions, innuendo, accusations or arguments!
> >> I just want to share my personal experience. Few years ago three > >> x-rays were taken of my chest and spine at the same day. For three [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Juhana Carey Gregory - 08 Dec 2004 07:19 GMT >Unbelievable! > >A whole conversation without any contradicting comments, assumptions, >innuendo, accusations or arguments! Patience, Ed. It's only been up there a few hours. ;-)
Cindy - 07 Dec 2004 23:37 GMT > That was interesting to know. Of course I want to be diagnosed properly but > next time I don't want to get that much radiation at the same day if I can > choose that myself. I would rather have those x-rays on different days. That means your physician will see something in your PA chest today and different things in Lateral chest another day. It is a normal procedure to take at least two pictures from different angle(s).
If you lose weight and decrease the size of your body tissues, the tech should lower the amount of radiation. If you get fat and increase your tissue size, the tech has to increase the dose.
Go to the hospital that uses the newest x-ray machines. Ask the tech to cover your body with lead protective sheets and aprons to block the x-rays -- of course I mean the body parts that aren't radiographed.
Sandia - 08 Dec 2004 15:57 GMT i'm a health physics student and i have a question for Cindy: x-ray passes through most of the soft tissue, including fat. however, you said they need to make the dose higher when a person gain weight. in that case, how much higher would the dose be when a person gains weight, let say he/she gains 10% extra? thanks!
> > That was interesting to know. Of course I want to be diagnosed properly but > > next time I don't want to get that much radiation at the same day if I can [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > cover your body with lead protective sheets and aprons to block the > x-rays -- of course I mean the body parts that aren't radiographed. Cindy - 08 Dec 2004 17:10 GMT > i'm a health physics student and i have a question for Cindy: > x-ray passes through most of the soft tissue, including fat. however, you > said they need to make the dose higher when a person gain weight. in that > case, how much higher would the dose be when a person gains weight, let say > he/she gains 10% extra? thanks! I want you to pay attention to my quote right here:
>>If you get fat and increase your >>tissue size, the tech has to increase the dose. Main focus is "to increase the tissue size" rather than getting heavier (oh, maybe the same thing). It also happens by diseases such as acromegaly, osteoblastic metastases, Paget's, CHF, and so on.
If you ask me what percent extra, that's a good question because it is closely related with mA-s. I myself am a RAD student and haven't mastered the technique yet.
By the way, it depends on the speed of the film and the screen cassette too. If you use a grid, you have to increase dose as well.
Sorry, no concrete answer.
>>>That was interesting to know. Of course I want to be diagnosed properly > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >>cover your body with lead protective sheets and aprons to block the >>x-rays -- of course I mean the body parts that aren't radiographed. Sandia - 08 Dec 2004 19:01 GMT Cindy, thanks for the prompt reply. I did learn a lot from this set of forums : D
> > i'm a health physics student and i have a question for Cindy: > > x-ray passes through most of the soft tissue, including fat. however, you [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >>cover your body with lead protective sheets and aprons to block the > >>x-rays -- of course I mean the body parts that aren't radiographed. Kevin France - 12 Dec 2004 22:16 GMT > Cindy, thanks for the prompt reply. I did learn a lot from > this set of forums : D Remember also that most of the area being radiographed in a chest x-ray is empty space (the air inside the lungs). The patient's size will make a difference in technique, but not as big a difference as in, say, an abdomen x-ray.
Repeating Rifle - 08 Dec 2004 02:49 GMT > I just want to share my personal experience. Few years ago three x-rays were > taken of my chest and spine at the same day. For three days or so after that > I felt very frail and I am sure the reason was those x-rays. I would't call > you a wacko hypocondriac. This is just something that people in medical > profession can't explain. So they are denying it. There are thousands of people doing medical research who would love to become famous. One way would be to "discover" how relatively low x-ray chest doses can instigate headaches. Thus, I would be very surprised if no one came up with a rationale, even an incorrect one, as how these x-rays produce headaches. I have not seen such a rationale although there may be one.
It may be very true that the headaches described may have arisen at the same time as the your exposure to x-rays. Nevertheless, it is much easier to explain your headeaches in terms of well known physiological and psychological processes that have nothing to do with x-rays than it has to with speculative and unknown physiological and physical characteristics of x-rays. These are paraphrased thoughts of a famous late scientist. If you can guess who it was, I verify your being correct.
Bill
NoBody - 08 Dec 2004 11:11 GMT >> I just want to share my personal experience. Few years ago three >> x-rays were taken of my chest and spine at the same day. For three [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Bill No, Occam would have postulated that the condition that caused one to get radiographs in the first place is also the most likely cause of the symptoms.
AJ - 10 Dec 2004 20:40 GMT > >> I just want to share my personal experience. Few years ago three > >> x-rays were taken of my chest and spine at the same day. For three [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > radiographs in the first place is also the most likely cause of the > symptoms. That's what I was thinking.
~Drew
Kevin France - 12 Dec 2004 22:07 GMT
> I just want to share my personal experience. Few years ago > three x-rays were taken of my chest and spine at the same > day. For three days or so after that I felt very frail and > I am sure the reason was those x-rays. I would't call you a > wacko hypocondriac. This is just something that people in > medical profession can't explain. So they are denying it. Isn't it just possible that the poster has something wrong with him (he was sent by his doctor for radiographs, after all), and is making a correlation between the symptoms and the x-ray procdure when none exists? That is, he may be sick and would have felt tension and dizziness whether he got the chest x-rays done or not?
People don't understand radiation, and they fear it, therefore they ascribe all sorts of dangers and effects to it that aren't at all warrented. As someone else has pointed out, you get about the same dose of x-rays when you make a round trip coast-to-coast flight in the USA as you do when you have a chest x-ray. If that dose caused dizziness and tension, we'd notice it in airline passengers and flight crews. Since we don't see these effects, the smart money is on the effect coming from some other cause than the x-rays, don't you think?
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