> While suggestive and
> makes it worthy of doing science about this intresting question, it is not
> scientific confirmation.
Get a life, you have plenty of MDs some who have spent 40 years treating
disease, most of that using vitamin C, and one has never had a cot-death
since he started using it http://www.whale.to/vaccines/kalokerinos.html
So you are rather like the flat earth guy.
West Nile virus http://www.whale.to/v/nile1.html funny how you pick the new
ones that could be just pesticide cover-up, and ignore the well proven cures
like measles, hepatitis etc.
Wishful thinking deleted.
listener - 05 Dec 2004 17:19 GMT
>> While suggestive and
>> makes it worthy of doing science about this intresting question, it
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>
> Wishful thinking deleted.
Is there anything IV Vitamin C will *not* cure?
L.
P.S. The "get a life" thing suggests you're angry about something.
markd@toad-net.com - 05 Dec 2004 19:51 GMT
"Is there anything IV Vitamin C will *not* cure?"
Yes, human nature, speciffically that which motivates to see patterns
where none exist and require confirmation which controls for this weakness
in our observation experiences.
john - 06 Dec 2004 07:44 GMT
> Is there anything IV Vitamin C will *not* cure?
Yes, medical brainwashing.
> P.S. The "get a life" thing suggests you're angry about something.
I guess so, do you want me to remember why? Must have been the time of
month, I tend to get easily annoyed then, full moon I think.
David Wright - 05 Dec 2004 18:19 GMT
>> While suggestive and
>> makes it worthy of doing science about this intresting question, it is not
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>disease, most of that using vitamin C, and one has never had a cot-death
>since he started using it http://www.whale.to/vaccines/kalokerinos.html
Yeah, so he says. I took a look at the blurb for the Levy book and
started digging into Medline, trying to verify that vitamin C (usually
intravenous) could do all the miraculous things Levy claims it can.
Let's just say that the evidence for the ones I looked at was pretty
thin on the ground -- I mean, in some cases we're talking about one
single case report. Yes, exactly one patient, total, and from this
we're supposed to assume miracles.
I was intrigued by the report that IV vit C was very helpful in
treating tetanus -- but what John leaves out, and I bet Levy does too,
is that the C was used *in addition to* conventional therapy. It did
seem to help a lot, though -- deaths were reduced from 74% to zero.
Still, it's just one report. Tetanus treatments are hard to test in
humans in the developed world because the disease is so rare.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)
markd@toad-net.com - 05 Dec 2004 19:45 GMT
"Get a life, you have plenty of MDs some who have spent 40 years treating
disease, most of that using vitamin C, and one has never had a cot-death"
I read an article recently about the long and widely followed tradition in
medicine to advise people having certain surgery not to consume oral foods
until a bm. In the meantime, it could take days, they were on a glucose
iv. It made sense, until research was actually done to see what happens
when a group using the tradition was compared in a research study to a
group who started eating solid foods right after surgery with no bm in
sight. There was no difference in outcome. A great deal of medicine was
established with the trial and error method without confirmation based on
structured research to confirm the "common sense" and experience of the
doctors. Most doctors are not scientists but are intrested in doing what
works, which makes them liable to any influence as any other group for
making clinical choices, including "because we have always done it" and "I
tried it with some of my patients and it seemed to make a difference" and
other such. That is a sensible starting place, but the science still is
needed for confirmation and to exclude other possible reasons for the same
outcome. Death by vit c was and is not relevant to the discussion.