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Medical Forum / General / General / November 2004Infants die; reaction to polio drops feared
``It is a coincidence that the deaths happened just a day after polio drops were given,'' he said. YUP, its always a coincidence http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IEA20041122141524&Title=Southern+New s+-+Andhra+Pradesh&Topic=0 Infants die; reaction to polio drops feared Tuesday November 23 2004 00:36 IST KHAMMAM: In a shocking incident, three infants died, after allegedly developing reaction to polio drops administered on Sunday in Penuballi mandal of this district. According to information reaching here, all the three infants, aged under two months, suffered from shivering after being given polio drops. One kid died on Sunday and two others succumbed on Monday. Unconfirmed reports said that another infant died in the mandal due to a similar reaction. The victims were identified as R Venkat Narsaiah of Bramhalakunta, Pramila (Karaigudem) and another baby girl who is daughter of one K Narasimham Kumar in Upplachalaka village. The parents alleged that the deaths were a result of complications arising out of polio drops and that the children were normal and healthy before. Dr Gopala Krishna and Dr Ranga Prasad from Hyderabad, who are a part of the rapid response team of WHO, visited the district to obtain a report on the deaths. When contacted, district medical and health officer Dr R Krisha Bramham maintained that the deaths were unrelated to polio drops. ``It is a coincidence that the deaths happened just a day after polio drops weregiven,'' he said. John, on the CDC website they admit that polio drops may cause polio, thus they are not used in the United States anymore. I guess they are still used in other countries around the world, as you have illustrated. The vaccine that is given in the states is not capable of causing polio. -Luiza still concerned about vaccines, but learning more and more each post. > John, on the CDC website they admit that polio drops may cause polio, > thus they are not used in the United States anymore. I guess they are > still used in other countries around the world, as you have > illustrated. The vaccine that is given in the states is not capable of > causing polio. John does not care. The polio drops, i.e. oral vaccine, is being given in India, where there is still a nationawide epidemic. John likes seeing dead or crippled children. > -Luiza > > still concerned about vaccines, but learning more and more each post. >> John, on the CDC website they admit that polio drops may cause polio, >> thus they are not used in the United States anymore. I guess they are [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >John likes seeing dead or crippled children. Provided, of course, that they are killed or crippled by a vaccine-preventable disease. PF > >John likes seeing dead or crippled children. Oh really, the only crippled ones I see are the tens of thousands crippled by your vaccines every year, you can work it out yourself from the beginning--Leicester had 2,200 less deaths in children under 5 when they were all unvaccinated over the 98% vaccinated years, over the whole of the UK that would be 100,000 children killed by vaccination and the ignoring of sanitation, but what would you epect if you take smallpo pus off a person and cut it into the arms of babies?? http://www.whale.to/a/lymph2.html Now you cause 98% of autism, that is 500,000 people in the UK, and you have the cheek to say I promote death & disease by attacking your disease agent. In case you hadn't noticed while you are living in vaccine cloud cuckoo land, the world is very sick, and Fisher alludes to the real villian, but is too polite or politic to say it outright: one American child in 166 has been diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder...... 9 million American children under 18 have been diagnosed with asthma.......nearly 3 million children ..... learning disabled. ..... 4 million children between the ages of 3 and 17 years have been diagnosed with ADHD........206,000 Americans under the age of 20 have type 1 diabetes..... 1 in 400 to 500 American children and adolescents are now diabetic. Today, arthritis affects one in three Americans, and about 300,000 American children have juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. Juvenile rheumatoid arthritis used to be so rare that statistics were not kept until its recent rise in children. http://www.whale.to/a/moth.html > Provided, of course, that they are killed or crippled by a > vaccine-preventable disease. Listen pal, in 1890 medical naturopaths never lost a measles case, as did homeopaths, also with smallpox, and nutritional doctors never lost a measles case http://www.whale.to/m/measles.html and so on If you are afraid of diseases then give up your poisons and find some REAL medicine, you know the stuff like vitamin C that you have been suppressing for 100 years--I list them all here http://www.whale.to/m/therapies.html So piss off with your fearmongering, I am sick to death with death and distruction visited by you medical mafia types http://www.whale.to/a/fear_dis.html I know you have been brain washed but that nasty side is real irritating, why can't you just lie nicely like Paul Offitt, go back to your handlers and get them to mellow out your bullshit. > > >John likes seeing dead or crippled children. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > sanitation, but what would you epect if you take smallpo pus off a person > and cut it into the arms of babies?? http://www.whale.to/a/lymph2.html I really doubt that 100,000 children die a year from all causes in the UK, let alone from vaccines. > Now you cause 98% of autism, that is 500,000 people in the UK, and you have > the cheek to say I promote death & disease by attacking your disease agent. Actually, careful studies of vaccines have shown that the vast majority of autism cases are not caused by vaccines. No one has been able to demostrate that any cases of autism are caused by vaccines. > In case you hadn't noticed while you are living in vaccine cloud cuckoo > land, the world is very sick, and Fisher alludes to the real villian, but is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ADHD........206,000 Americans under the age of 20 have type 1 diabetes..... > 1 in 400 to 500 American children and adolescents are now diabetic. And, if we didn't have vaccines, there were would definitely be fewer cases of all these illnesses. Dead kids don't get sick. > Today, > arthritis affects one in three Americans, Yeah, the joints of obese people wear out faster than the joints of normal-weight people. > and about 300,000 American > children have juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. Juvenile rheumatoid arthritis > used to be so rare that statistics were not kept until its recent rise in > children. http://www.whale.to/a/moth.html So. There has been a recent rise in television watching and cell phone use by children, too. Maybe these are the causes. There is no evidence that vaccines are related in any way to the increase in JRA, either. > > Provided, of course, that they are killed or crippled by a > > vaccine-preventable disease. > > Listen pal, in 1890 medical naturopaths never lost a measles case, as did > homeopaths, also with smallpox, and nutritional doctors never lost a measles > case http://www.whale.to/m/measles.html and so on Yeah right. > If you are afraid of diseases then give up your poisons and find some REAL > medicine, you know the stuff like vitamin C that you have been suppressing > for 100 years--I list them all here http://www.whale.to/m/therapies.html Well, please provide the real evidence (good research from peer-reviewed journals) that it works to do what you say. > So piss off with your fearmongering, I am sick to death with death and > distruction visited by you medical mafia types > http://www.whale.to/a/fear_dis.html Actually, because of vaccines and herd immunity, medicine and its vaccines have prevented thousands of deaths. Sadly, people are still dying of vaccine-preventable deaths in the 3rd world. > I know you have been brain washed but that nasty side is real irritating, > why can't you just lie nicely like Paul Offitt, go back to your handlers and > get them to mellow out your bullshit. Nice attacks. When you can stop your personal attacks and replace them with real arguments backed by real evidence, then we will listen. Jeff > > >John likes seeing dead or crippled children. Listen, stupid, I said that. And, I stand by it. Drivel deleted. >> Provided, of course, that they are killed or crippled by a >> vaccine-preventable disease. > >Listen pal, in 1890 medical naturopaths never lost a measles case, as did >homeopaths, also with smallpox, and nutritional doctors never lost a measles >case http://www.whale.to/m/measles.html and so on Gee, I must have hit a nerve! He's getting a little testy! You should lie a little more "nicely" too. Instead of "Listen pal, in 1890 [lie]," it should say, "Golly gee, in 1890..." >If you are afraid of diseases then give up your poisons and find some REAL >medicine, you know the stuff like vitamin C that you have been suppressing >for 100 years--I list them all here http://www.whale.to/m/therapies.html Last I checked, vitamin C is legal and available over-the-counter. How is it being "suppressed"? >So piss off with your fearmongering, I am sick to death with death and >distruction visited by you medical mafia types >http://www.whale.to/a/fear_dis.html Then you can leave the "sci.med" newsgroup if you're sick to death of us. Tell me, did people die of disease before there were doctors? How old did people tend to get before there were doctors? How old do people get to these days? >I know you have been brain washed but that nasty side is real irritating, >why can't you just lie nicely like Paul Offitt, go back to your handlers and >get them to mellow out your bullshit. Educated, not brainwashed. You're neither -- just an idiot paranoid psychotic. PF > >> Provided, of course, that they are killed or crippled by a > >> vaccine-preventable disease. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Educated, not brainwashed. You're neither -- just an idiot paranoid > psychotic. Couldn't you please take your discussion somewhere else. This is misc.kids.BREASTFEEDING and we are not used to your way of arguing. Tine, Denmark > > >> Provided, of course, that they are killed or crippled by a > > >> vaccine-preventable disease. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > Couldn't you please take your discussion somewhere else. This is > misc.kids.BREASTFEEDING and we are not used to your way of arguing. Please file your complaint with John, who initiated this thread and crossposted to your group. Once a thread starts moving along, it is usually impossible for anyone to know what groups people are posting from. To trim groups at this time would possibly discourteous to someone. > John, on the CDC website they admit that polio drops may cause polio, > thus they are not used in the United States anymore. I guess they are > still used in other countries around the world, as you have > illustrated. The vaccine that is given in the states is not capable of > causing polio. Exactly. The reason why the oral polio vaccine is given in some areas is that it is thought to provide better protection against polio than injection. In regions of the world where polio is much more likely than the US, like India, they still give the oral polio vaccine. Jeff > -Luiza > > still concerned about vaccines, but learning more and more each post. ""The deaths are a sheer coincidence. We are 100 per cent sure that the deaths have nothing to do with polio drops," Dr Rao said. Principal secretary (medical and health) I V Subba Rao said the post mortem reports proved that the deaths were due to the vaccine." Polio dropped from list of suspects http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/935121.cms November 25, 2004 HYDERABAD: Two more babies who had been given polio drops last week died at Penuballi and Aswaraopet mandals in Khammam district on Tuesday, but experts and government officials took pains to explain that the vaccine could not possibly have caused the deaths. These two deaths and one more in Anantapur on Tuesday took the number of post-inoculation mortalities to seven. A postmortem on the exhumed bodies of four children who had died over the weekend showed that they had succumbed to neonatal complications. Health officials said none of the seven deaths could be attributed to the oral polio vaccine drops. Nevertheless, the incident is being "critically viewed" and samples of the vaccine given to the children are being sent to the Central Drug Research Institute at Kasauli. Family welfare officials said the children, most of them months old, either had a medical history or died of reasons not linked to the polio drops. It was a coincidence that the deaths have occurred after inoculation. Dr R Gopalakrishna Rao, joint director of the family welfare department, said two of the Khammam deaths were due to asphyxia (suffocation) caused by vomit- "not caused by the polio drops"-and one was due to intestinal obstruction. Some of the deaths could have occurred due to some substances being administered to the babies by the mothers: one had received oil drops in her nose and one was given a sugar syrup. One of the seven children who died was a premature baby who had developed respiratory problems after swallowing amniotic fluid during birthr. A five-year-old girl who died in Kurnool was suffering from fits, Dr Rao said. "The deaths are a sheer coincidence. We are 100 per cent sure that the deaths have nothing to do with polio drops," Dr Rao said. Principal secretary (medical and health) I V Subba Rao said the post mortem reports proved that the deaths were due to the vaccine. Get a clue John. The article indicates that the deaths were unrelated to the vaccines. Secretary's Rao's conclusion that post-mortem reports proved that the deaths were due to the vaccine were not backed by anything in the article. Jeff
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