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Grapefruit rinds rivals Hoodia as diet medicine

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Archimedes Plutonium - 24 Nov 2004 09:22 GMT
Let me recount the chain of events today as I was posting about Vytorin
which then spilled over into cactus Hoodia as a diet medicine and then I
made the bold claim that there exists chemicals in other plants which
act like Hoodia in suppression of appetite. There is no guarantee that
such a plant other than Hoodia exists but probabilities favor the
existence of more than just one plant that suppresses human appetite.
Then I wondered whether cactus is acid or alkali and realized it was
acid then I wondered whether in my lifetime I had ever eaten any acid
foods that my appetite was at all suppressed.

Then I remembered that in my youth and well into my middle life that I
had gorged on citrus fruit nearly every day eating 4 to 10 oranges a day
and 1 or 2 grapefruits a day. But I remembered also that when I drank
grapefruit juice especially breakfast that I did not care to eat much as
opposed to orange juice.
I remember always picking away the white covering on grapefruits and
that the rind was especially horrible tasting.

So today I cut a piece of grapefruit rind the size of my thumb and
chewed it into tiny pieces and swallowed the liquid. Very very
astringent and bitter and acrid in taste. So bitter that it left a
burning like sensation in my mouth and throat for several hours
thereafter. I was about to swallow the entire chew but then the
bitterness was so pervasive that I spit out the chew. I weighed myself
and I was 138 lbs. I went out to do some work in the orchard and was not
hungry for 9 hours after eating the rind. And during that day of work it
felt as if I was on the verge of throwing-up or regurgitating only it
was a mild sense of throwing up. So this rind of grapefruit suppresses
the appetite because of the bitter mouth and that it takes many hours to
remove that bitterness and then the sensation of on the verge of
throwing-up all of which takes about 9 hours to remove and whilst there
suppresses the desire to eat anything.

I went to search the Internet to see if any researcher has found active
ingredients in grapefruit rinds that is diet suppressant. I found a site
that talks of an experiment on pigs given grapefruit fiber in their
diets and how it lowered cholesterol. But that study was with the whole
grapefruit. I wonder if a study on just grapefruit rinds would make pigs
less likely to eat.

The active ingredient in Hoodia cactus that suppresses appetite may
perhaps be found in grapefruit rinds. I say perhaps because it is a
unlikely.

I would use only "organic grapefruits" because the store ones usually
have sprays and coatings of phenol to preserve them longer on the
shelves.

I tried orange rinds and they are ineffective as compared to grapefruit.

I need to buy some "organic lemons" to see if their rinds is a diet
suppressant.

If I were faced with a Thanksgiving dinner on thursday and wanted to eat
just a little bit, then I would chew an organic grapefruit rind of about
the size of my thumb and swallow the mass after chewing it. Enough to
suppress my desire to eat but not too much to make me throw-up. In fact
if I eat some foods after taking the grapefruit rind that they tend to
remove the bitterness out of my mouth and losing the suppression effect.

So I need to find what chemical in grapefruit rinds posits the
bitterness in the mouth and throat and the chemical that makes the
stomach feel as though it is on the verge of throwing-up.

If grapefruit is a diet suppressant, then it is cheap and easily
obtained by anyone wanting to lose weight. Whenever one feels on the
verge of gorging or in a situation where eating too much is likely then
just slip into the mouth a rind of organic-grown-grapefruit and have the
next 8 to 9 hours temptation free.
Throughout that 9 hours today I had no desire to eat any good food that
came to mind such as icecream, chocolates, pies, cakes or cookies. All
of them were undesirable because my mouth was still bitter flavored and
my stomach kept feeling like throwing up.

No drug company would recount such a story because there is no millions
and billions of dollars of profit in it for them. Simply buy an organic
grapefruit and cut the rind into 30 pieces and have 30 days of dieting
ahead.

Over time the effect may wear off.

But this is intriguing science in that we have a problem of eating too
much food and a nice solution maybe finding a food that is what I call
"anti-food inducing" that is to have a food when eaten makes the
individual not want to eat any more food. So I am really amazed that a
solution like this can be found.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
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nospam@pacbell.net - 24 Nov 2004 10:11 GMT
You might want to investigate to see whether the grapefruit rind (astringent)
suppresses your saliva or does something to your mucus membranes,  leading to
appetite loss.  Supressing saliva or doing that to your mucus membranes might
not be such a good thing to do on a regular basis.

Ora

>Let me recount the chain of events today as I was posting about Vytorin
>which then spilled over into cactus Hoodia as a diet medicine and then I
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>whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
>of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Archimedes Plutonium - 25 Nov 2004 07:51 GMT
> You might want to investigate to see whether the grapefruit rind (astringent)
> suppresses your saliva or does something to your mucus membranes,  leading to
> appetite loss.  Supressing saliva or doing that to your mucus membranes might
> not be such a good thing to do on a regular basis.
>
> Ora

Yes, I would need to find out specifically what it does to the saliva and mucus
membrane for it definitely reacts to both and to a degree that I feel like
spitting for an hour afterwards. But also if I swallow the chew that I feel on
the verge of throwing-up about 2 hours after eating the chew. So need to know
what triggers that feeling.

Today I was hungry after getting home from some chores and with the winter
nights being so long indoors I have the problem of extending supper through much
of the night and eating too much so in the middle of this evening I cut a patch
of grapefruit rind from organic grown grapefruits about the size of my thumb to
see if I would lose appetite and interest. And I am happy to report that it
immediately affected my appetite.

So if anyone going to Thanksgiving dinner and fearful of overeating, I would say
that if you bought organic-grown-grapefruit that does not have phenol and
beeswax coating on the rind that if you cut a patch of the size of a thumb and
chewed it and either spit out the chew or swallow the chew (careful not too much
because it may cause you to throw-up, so give it a practice before thanksgiving
dinner, a trial run to see how much so that you do not throw-up). The end result
is that you would have a helper-aid so that you do not overeat.

And for those wanting to diet and lose weight, my first recommendation is
fasting periodically for 1 or 2 days losing about 3 lbs per day and make the
bulk of your eating dinners that of sugarless cereals. And a aid helper in
Fasting or even controlling gorging is this Grapefruit Rind from organically
grown grapefruits.

Warning: I must find out whether frequent chew or eating of grapefruit rind is
deleterious. My suspicion is that it is not because it is so small of a amount
and it is known that rinds of grapefruit and lemon are used in candy recipes.

The biggest danger is grapefruit sprayed with fungicides or coatings to increase
shelf life in grocery stores so those chemicals buildup would be harmful.

I suppose hot chili would also be a good appetite suppressant but I hate hot
chilis because they are too hot for me and am much more comfortable with
grapefruit rind.

Now I wonder if curry of India has a appetite suppressant because you rarely see
obese Indians. So that maybe curry when eaten so frequently gives the person a
sense of being full. I like curry on occasion as something different.

I suspect science has not dug deep at all on the question of foods acting as
appetite suppressants and thus aiding in weight control. I think scientists are
just now embarking on a careful look and study as to what foods such as Hoodia
cactus can suppress appetite. And I feel that once scientists have dug deeply
into this subject that many items will be discovered to aid in weight control.

For me personally I have two bulwarks of weight control (1) Fasting when I stray
too far from 137 lbs and (2) the bulk of my food dinners are puffed cereals such
as puffed wheat and puffed rice. But now I am excited to add a third bulwark to
the list on those occasions where I feel I may go on a binge gorging or tempted
to eat too much and that is (3) food suppressants such as organically grown
grapefruit rind.

Yes, I need to find out exactly what grapefruit rind eaten frequently does to
the saliva, to the mucus membrane and to the stomach that it gives this feeling
of verge of throwing-up.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Steve Turner - 25 Nov 2004 12:34 GMT
>Today I was hungry after getting home from some chores and with the winter
>nights being so long indoors I have the problem of extending supper through much
>of the night and eating too much so in the middle of this evening I cut a patch
>of grapefruit rind from organic grown grapefruits about the size of my thumb to
>see if I would lose appetite and interest. And I am happy to report that it
>immediately affected my appetite.

Can you say "placebo effect?"  Sure.  I knew you could.

Steve Turner
Maven98 - 27 Nov 2004 20:59 GMT
So, is there a followup to your experiment with grapefruit rind a
couple of days ago?  I'd be interested to hear.
Ness - 29 Nov 2004 02:34 GMT
> So, is there a followup to your experiment with grapefruit rind a
> couple of days ago?  I'd be interested to hear.

Grapefruit extract has been used in special weight loss and "fat
blaster" pills for the longest time.  the active ingredient (of which
the name has escaped me) is believed to prevent the body converting
energy into fat.  Whether this is true or not ???????????????

It doesn't do anything to your saliva glands or anything else.  If you
feel sick after eating it, that is probably due to the high
concentrations of terpenes in the rind.
Archimedes Plutonium - 29 Nov 2004 09:40 GMT
28 Nov 2004 18:34:04 -0800 vanessa.giess@dermcare.com.au
(Ness)wrote:

> > So, is there a followup to your experiment with grapefruit rind a
> > couple of days ago?  I'd be interested to hear.
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> feel sick after eating it, that is probably due to the high
> concentrations of terpenes in the rind.

Yes, terpenes give that quesy feel to the digestive tract as if about to throw up but then it makes
one lose appetite to eat food because of that throw-up feeling.

I am seeking a tri-pill or tri-ointment. Where I combine a grapefruit-rind patch with a few hot chili
pepper powder plus menthol eucalytus.

Remember cough drops of menthol eucalytus only without any sugar. It like makes the mouth feel as
though it was in outer space.

And of course hot chili peppers leaves a burning sensation in the mouth.

And grapefruit rind coats the mouth with an acrid taste and makes the stomach quesy as if throwing up
sensation.

What I am looking for is a patch about the size of my thumb of grapefruit rind sprinkled with a tiny
amount of hot pepper and sprinkled with a tiny amount of menthol eucalyptus.

Call it a tri-patch.

Objective: find a balance of these 3 chemicals to ward off hunger and ward off appetite.

I want a patch that when I bite and chew it for a while and then swallow it, that I will not feel like
eating for the next 24 hours.

Or when I feel especially hungry and instead eat this patch that I thus lose interest.

Another thing I found out about these grapefruit patches is that when I stick them in the refrigerator
overnight they tend to dry up and that their bitter acrid taste is very much lost and not as
effective. So I wonder if these terpenes lose their potency after being refrigerated.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Archimedes Plutonium - 29 Nov 2004 20:31 GMT
(all snipped)

I went to bed very late last night and felt hungry to eat a bowl of cherries and a bowl of puffed cereal.
It would have meant rebrushing my teeth again. So when I reached the refrigerator I pulled out a
grapefruit rind patch instead and chewed it until my mouth was coated with the acrid taste and then I
lost complete appetite in eating anything. So the grapefruit Rind patch of the size of my thumb works
effectively as a appetite suppressant.

I am going to explore other appetite suppressants for I believe many exist and they in conjunction with
Fasting can achieve ideal body weight.

For me, I see it silly and stupid of people to take Lipitor or Vytorin or other cholesterol pills because
they do not confront the main problem of overeating, whereas if a person was to determine his/her proper
weight and religiously stuck to that weight then there would be no cholesterol conflict.

I think grapefruit rinds of its terpenes is a natural cholesterol fighter but I need to see clear science
evidence that this is true and not some myth.

I need to explore other appetite suppressants such as hot chili peppers perhaps curry and perhaps menthol
eucalyptus without the sugars.

So far grapefruit-Rinds is the most potent, aside from chili peppers, and most cost effective appetite
suppressant. But there is a danger of eating too much Terpenes of the rinds.

I am getting a bit tired of constantly hopping on the weight scale. I am now at 136 lbs which is 1 lb
below my 137lb marker. But I am now unhappy with 137 lb as my longterm standard. I am unhappy because my
gut still has a tiny bulge.
I would like to see my chest and stomach as a straight line with no bulges at all when looking in the
mirror before bath time. The 137 lb standard gauge for me leaves a gut bulge. So I am going to Fast for a
couple of days until the bulge of stomach disappears and my chest and stomach forms a nice straight line
and then weigh myself and set that as the new standard. I hope it is not 129 lbs where my body forms a
nice straight line.

I do not want to have to keep jumping on the scales for weight but can just easily lift my shirt and see
if my gut has a bulge. If it has a bulge I know instantly that I am overweight.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Mark Tarka - 24 Nov 2004 23:10 GMT
> Let me recount the chain of events today as I was posting about Vytorin
> which then spilled over into cactus Hoodia as a diet medicine and then I
> made the bold claim that there exists chemicals in other plants which
> act like Hoodia in suppression of appetite. There is no guarantee that
[snip ....]

So, in 25 words or less ...?

 Mark (Pu for you, is what will be.  Greedy children,
       wait and see  :-)

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