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help me out on this analogy of apple trees to cedar apple rust

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Archimedes Plutonium - 27 Oct 2004 08:59 GMT
Today I passed by a few of my cedar trees and the young ones were
beginning to collect those ugly rust galls on various branches. I pull
them off and bury them
a foot underground. I am guessing that burying destroys the rust cells.

But I was thinking of some analogy between apple tree cultivars and
humans and cedar rust. The best I could think of is this one but I do
not like it. Keep in mind that I looked for an analogy because I cut
down all the apple tree cultivars I had bought a few years back that was
infected heavily with cedar rust. So I lost time and money on those
apple trees.

Suppose apple trees were the intelligent life forms on Earth and that
apple trees go to stores and markets to buy humans. So that humans at
present who grow apple cultivars that are susceptible to cedar rust is
like apple trees going to the store to buy humans and fancying humans
with say multiple sclerosis. So that in the apple suburbs can be seen
alot of humans bought and placed in their yards who are afflicted with
multiple sclerosis.

My theme: my theme is let us eliminate all apple cultivars that are not
resistant to cedar rust. Do not waste time or money on growing apple
trees that are susceptible to cedar rust.

And that the reason so many apple trees planted that are cedar rust
prone is because we have not focused attention to the fact that we can
decrease cedar rust by getting rid of these prone cultivars.

That we have cultivars that are disease prone when we should just chuck
all those cultivars and start anew with cedar rust resistant apple
genetics and then build an entire new range of cultivars all of which
are more resistant to rust.

So can someone give me a better analogy for I do not like the Multiple
Sclerosis analogy.

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Christopher Green - 27 Oct 2004 19:06 GMT
> Today I passed by a few of my cedar trees and the young ones were
> beginning to collect those ugly rust galls on various branches. I pull
> them off and bury them
> a foot underground. I am guessing that burying destroys the rust cells.

Congratulations, you have found one of the best ways you could think
of to perpetuate your infestation.

You need to _remove_ infected litter from your orchard altogether.

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> My theme: my theme is let us eliminate all apple cultivars that are not
> resistant to cedar rust. Do not waste time or money on growing apple
> trees that are susceptible to cedar rust.

What h*******t.

Just because you don't understand doesn't mean any other orchardist
doesn't know how to keep his trees free from rust. One, keep your d**n
orchard clean. Two, don't plant cedars near your valuable trees.
Three, use a proper integrated pest management program that controls
rust and other fungus.

> And that the reason so many apple trees planted that are cedar rust
> prone is because we have not focused attention to the fact that we can
> decrease cedar rust by getting rid of these prone cultivars.

So what. We can also control cedar rust through integrated pest
management. This allows us to continue to grow desirable apple
varieties that are not rust resistant.

> That we have cultivars that are disease prone when we should just chuck
> all those cultivars and start anew with cedar rust resistant apple
> genetics and then build an entire new range of cultivars all of which
> are more resistant to rust.

Maybe you can. Any farmer has better things to do than listen to such
cockamamie ideas.

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Mike Lyle - 31 Oct 2004 16:17 GMT
[...]
> So what. We can also control cedar rust through integrated pest
> management. This allows us to continue to grow desirable apple
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> Maybe you can. Any farmer has better things to do than listen to such
> cockamamie ideas.

Well, slash, burn, and start again seems a mite extreme; but, last
time I looked, breeding for disease-resistance wasn't in itself
generally regarded as an eccentric notion. Farmers on the whole rather
like the idea.

Mike.
Christopher Green - 01 Nov 2004 07:18 GMT
>[...]
>> So what. We can also control cedar rust through integrated pest
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>
>Mike.

Agreed, but AP isn't preaching breed for disease resistance, he's
calling for extermination of rust-susceptible strains.

If I had a field of producing Jonathans (susceptible) and somebody
told me I had to cut 'em down for firewood so he could plant Eastern
red cedars in infection range, I'd be pretty blunt about telling him
where he could stick that idea.

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