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Rich - 26 Sep 2004 02:01 GMT
My wife (a 26-year-old healthy female) recently started having seizures.
She's seeing a neurologist next week, but I just want to know more about
what is going on. Perhaps someone can share some information with me.

One day in 2000 my wife had a fainting spell when I came home from work. She
had yellowish vision and felt warm and confused for several minutes
afterwards. We attributed this to her diet (she was practically starving on
a 1000 calorie diet, which she abandoned after this). Nothing else happened
until 2004. On September 15th of 2004, my wife had gone all day without
eating and when she finally sat down to eat, her right arm started to
twitch, her neck muscle tightened and she had some paralysis throughout her
body. Again, she had the yellowish vision. This time it was accompanied with
a headache towards the front of her head. For some stupid reason, we wrote
this off as a muscle spasm and didn't want to think about it.
Several days later on September 23rd of 2004, my wife went to a dentist to
have teeth filled on the bottom jaw, towards the back. The dentist numbed
her up with pivocane [sp?] and then a few moments later, my wife went into a
full-blown seizure and seemed comatose for 3 to 4 minutes according to the
dentist.

Here's exactly what the dentist said to me:
"Sir, you need to pick up your wife, she can't drive. She had what looked
like a seizure to me, jerking, eyes rolling, and she looked comatose for a
few minutes. It looks like she needs to see a doctor."

Although my wife later explained to me that she was not unconscious. She
could hear and feel everything, and in fact could think clearly. Her vision
was blurred and yellowish. She could feel the dentist tapping her face
trying to wake her up.

I drove her from the dentist to the ER (except we stopped to get a candy
bar and soda, thinking that might help.. it did).

While sitting in the lobby after 2 hours, she had another seizure. She lost
complete control of her body, moving in a strange rhythmic, circular motion,
neck and upper back muscles just went limp. She was crying while this was
happening and again, she new exactly what was going on and did not loose
consciousness. A nurse saw it and moved her into a room... then they did all
the testing (CT scan, blood work, etc. all inconclusive). At this point she
was practically starving although the nurse was reluctant to allow her to
eat because she might have choked if another seizure occured. They wanted to
start her on Ativan but I asked them not to. Instead, I snuck her some food
while the curtain was closed. Her headache went away and she did not have
another seizure for 24 hours.

After a couple hours of staying in the ER, my wife was discharged without
any prescriptions and instructed to follow up with her GP and a neurologist.

My wife seen her GP the very next morning, and he made an appointment for a
fasting glucose test, complete metabolic panel, an EEG, and a follow-up with
a neurologist. He also prescribed Phenobarbital and instructed her to use if
only if the seizures returned or could not be controlled by eating and
resting.

That evening (the 24th of September) my wife had another seizure. This time
the seizure was brought on by anxiety (she was also hungry again, but did
not eat in time). Again, she did not loose total consciousness. My wife was
reading on the Internet about Aspartame, and my wife recalled guzzling down
about 4 Diet Dr. Peppers each day (while on an Atkin's diet) the prior week.
Apparently the web page she was reading upset her so badly that it started
the seizure. First her head started twitching slightly and a headache came
on. At this point I asked her to stop reading the web page and relax. But it
was too late. Two minutes later my wife was on the ground, not twitching per
se, but muscles moving involuntarily and slowly. She was crying the entire
time. She could speak to me and knew exactly what was going on. Her vision
was again yellowish or dark during the episode. After this episode she
experienced a headache and a sense of unreality or confusion for
approximately 30 minutes. She continued to feel groggy until I gave her a
candy bar and a piece of cheesecake. Within 15 minutes she was feeling fine
again. From that point on she was able to keep the seizures under control
just by making sure she had a full stomach and remained calm. I have not
noticed any personality changes or anything of that nature.

Summary:

1. my wife was improperly following the Atkins' diet, with 1000 calories per
day, only 50g of fat, and 20g of carbs prior to the seizures.
2. my wife was consuming very large amounts of diet soda containing
Aspartame (Diet Dr. Pepper).
3. Her seizures never left her totally unconscious. She could hear and feel
during the seizures, although her vision was disturbed before and during the
seizures.
4. Her seizures could be brought on by just thinking about them, accompanied
with her seizure threshold already being lowered e.g. lack of food or sleep.
5. Headaches, twitching, and vision disturbances usually preceded the
seizures.
HCN - 26 Sep 2004 18:39 GMT
...snip for brevity..
> Summary:
>
> 1. my wife was improperly following the Atkins' diet, with 1000 calories per
> day, only 50g of fat, and 20g of carbs prior to the seizures.
> 2. my wife was consuming very large amounts of diet soda containing
> Aspartame (Diet Dr. Pepper).

The thing about diet is a non-issue.  There are diets for drug resistent
epilepsy, they are very very fatty.  If she were a phenyliketonuric... she
would already know that and be avoiding diet sodas.  Ignore the
scaremongers:
http://www.snopes.com/toxins/aspartame.asp

Lots of people will say lots of things cause seizures.  I've had people
offer up their opinion that my son's seizures were caused by milk, wheat,
light, dark, stress, vaccines, bad thoughts... etc.  He was only two days
old... had only had breast milk (then it was blaimed on his mom having eaten
something bad), had not been vaccinated ... and I don't think anyone was
thinking bad thoughts about him.  Ignore the odd suggestions... see a real
neurologist.

> 3. Her seizures never left her totally unconscious. She could hear and feel
> during the seizures, although her vision was disturbed before and during the
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> 5. Headaches, twitching, and vision disturbances usually preceded the
> seizures.

The visual auras sound like beginnings of migraines... but there is a fine
line between severe migraine and a seizure.

Skip advice from anonymous usenet users... go to a neurologist.

If you must find some answers online, check out this:
http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org/
Rich Murray - 26 Sep 2004 20:34 GMT
Ideopathic seizures are indeed one of the many reactions reported in
cases of exposure to aspartame, methanol, and formaldehyde, whatever
the source. Once sensitized, a person can react quickly and seriously
to doses as small as 4 mg aspartame, 2% of a can of diet soda.

The Atkins diet is remarkably unsafe, except that it excludes
aspartame and alcohol and limits fruits and vegetables, thereby
reducing exposure to formaldehyde sources, which would quickly help
some people.

http://www.vegsource.com  extensive vegan information

htttp://www.drmcdougall.com   practical, delicious healthy diet
guidance

http://www.vegsource.com/articles/kradjian_milk.htm
Robert Kradjian MD Discusses Milk

A contributing factor could be magnesium deficiency, easily corrected
by any Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc supplement.

It would be prudent to avoid all caffeine: coffee, tea, cocoa.

In mutual service,  Rich Murray

Rich Murray, MA    Room For All    rmforall@comcast.net
1943 Otowi Road, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505 USA  505-501-2298

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/messages
131 members,  1,115 posts in a public searchable archive

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aspartameNM/message/1114
review of sweeteners 2004, Weihrauch MR, Diehl V: formaldehyde
from 11% methanol component of aspartame,
methanol in dark wines and liquors,
fermentation of fruits in colon,
also smoke, new buildings, furniture,
drapes, carpets, personal products:
available database from Harvard Nurses' Health Study II of
91,249 women in 1991-1999: Murray 2004.09.18 rmforall
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Jeff - 27 Sep 2004 01:53 GMT
> Ideopathic seizures are indeed one of the many reactions reported in
> cases of exposure to aspartame, methanol, and formaldehyde, whatever
> the source. Once sensitized, a person can react quickly and seriously
> to doses as small as 4 mg aspartame, 2% of a can of diet soda.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra
ct&list_uids=7614911


Urban myth. Aspartame does not cause seizures.

Jeff
Rich - 27 Sep 2004 06:33 GMT
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> > Ideopathic seizures are indeed one of the many reactions reported in
> > cases of exposure to aspartame, methanol, and formaldehyde, whatever
> > the source. Once sensitized, a person can react quickly and seriously
> > to doses as small as 4 mg aspartame, 2% of a can of diet soda.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Ab
stract&list_uids=7614911

> Urban myth. Aspartame does not cause seizures.
>
> Jeff

In February of 1994, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
released the listing of adverse reactions reported to the FDA (DHHS 1994).
Aspartame accounted for more than 75% of all adverse reactions reported to
the FDA's Adverse Reaction Monitoring System (ARMS). Seizures were one of
the listed adverse reactions.
Jeff - 28 Sep 2004 01:02 GMT
> --
> Remove _pooperscooper_ from email if you reply
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> > > the source. Once sensitized, a person can react quickly and seriously
> > > to doses as small as 4 mg aspartame, 2% of a can of diet soda.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Ab
> stract&list_uids=7614911
> >
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> the FDA's Adverse Reaction Monitoring System (ARMS). Seizures were one of
> the listed adverse reactions.

The database only lists things that people think might be related. It
certainly doesn't prove causation.

The study I cited above was designed to find an association if there was
one. There wasn't one.

Jeff
Rich - 28 Sep 2004 02:35 GMT
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> > Remove _pooperscooper_ from email if you reply
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> > > > the source. Once sensitized, a person can react quickly and seriously
> > > > to doses as small as 4 mg aspartame, 2% of a can of diet soda.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Ab
> > stract&list_uids=7614911
> > >
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>
> Jeff

Disclaimer: "I don't know what I'm talking about. I just read some stuff off
the Internet." If there is irrefutable proof that the below is a bunch of
bs, please let me know.

According to http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/abuse/seizures.html
Shaywitz's and Trefz's work was part of "Hopelessly Flawed Double-Blind
Studies Funded by Monsanto/NutraSweet", and there are important points as to
why it was flawed, including the fact that the children were already on
anti-seizure medication while they were being administered Aspartame....

Shaywitz (1994) concludes that "our findings indicate that, in this group of
vulnerable children, APM [aspartame] does not provoke seizures." Rowen
(1995) concludes that "aspartame, in acute dosage of ~50 mg/kg, is no more
likely than placebo to cause seizures in individuals who reported that their
seizures were provoked by aspartame consumption." Trefz (1994) reports that
doses of 15 mg/kg and 45 mg/kg of aspartame in PKU heterozygotes does not
change EEG spectral parameters. (The Trefz (1994) study appears to have been
published in summary form as Benninger (1991), Benninger (1993a) and
Benninger (1993b) ). Others have cited these studies as evidence that
aspartame does not cause seizures (Lajtha 1994, Butchko 1994).

These results appear very convincing, but these industry-sponsored studies
are so flawed so as to be nearly worthless. Below are a selection of major
problems with these studies.

Rowen (1995) Flaws

 a.. 16 of the 18 subjects were taking anti-seizure medication during the
study.

 b.. The aspartame was given in capsules so that instead of spiking the
plasma phenylalanine level and significantly changing the phenylalanine/LNAA
ratio the phenylalanine was absorbed very slowly -- more like what happens
when ingesting food (Stegink 1987). These researchers discussed in detail
the issue of plasma phenylalanine and LNAA levels. It was particularly
absurd is that they gave the aspartame in capsules even though they cited
industry research (Burns 1990) which proves capsule administration of
aspartame eliminates the spike in plasma phenylalanine levels! Simply
stated, the researchers were pretending to test the hypothesis that
phenyalalnine/LNAA ratio changes would cause seizures, but they knowingly
administered aspartame in a way that eliminated the possibility of a large
change in plasma phenylalanine levels and phenylalanine/LNAA ratios.

 Capsule administration of aspartame slows the absorption of methanol and
may reduce its toxicity somewhat similar to the way ingestion of food with
methanol may slightly reduce its toxicity (Posner 1975). Capsule
administration of aspartame also eliminates the quick absorption of the
excitotoxin, aspartic acid (Stegink 1987). When aspartic acid is absorbed
quickly, it can be excitotoxic (Blaylock 1994, Olney 1980) especially in
conjunction with formaldehyde derived from methanol as discussed in the
Methanol article.

 c.. The study consisted of only single dose of aspartame ingestion!

This results of this study only apply to people who ingest a single dose of
encapsulated aspartame while taking anti-seizure medication. Not only is
this study worthless, but key information was not put in the abstract,
namely, the fact that the subject were on anti-seizure medication and that
the aspartame was given in capsules.

Shaywitz (1994) Flaws

 a.. Nine out of 10 children were taking anti-seizure medication during the
study.

 b.. Again the aspartame was given in capsules at a dose of 34 mg/kg per
day. This makes the experiment worthless since they were testing the
hypothesis of changes in plasma phenylalanine to LNAA ratios as described
above. It also reduces the toxicity of other aspartame breakdown products as
described above.

 c.. The experiment lasted only two weeks. The Rowen (1995) study used
individuals who had experienced aspartame-induced seizures and it was only
one day long (with other flaws described above). This short study used
epileptic children who had not reported aspartame-induced seizures. A cynic
might wonder if the researchers were able to make this study slightly longer
than the Rowen (1995) study because the subjects had not reported
aspartame-induced seizures.

Trefz (1994) Flaws

 a.. Like the other studies, aspartame was given in slow-dissolving
capsules despite the fact that the researchers were claiming to test the
effects of the spike in phenylalanine levels and the change in phenylalanine
to LNAA ratios.

 b.. The aspartame was given with meals which would further slow the
absorption of aspartame breakdown products.

 c.. This study was longer than the others, ~ 3 months. However, an
analysis of seizure cases by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC 1984)
shows that most seizures linked to aspartame do not begin to appear until
after 3 or more months of real-world (i.e., non-encapsulated) aspartame.

What did industry scientists know or should have known?

 1.. These researchers must have known that administering the aspartame in
capsules would mean that they were not testing the phenylalanine and LNAA
changes as they claimed.

 2.. The researchers should have known that given encapsulated aspartame
would reduced the toxicity of the methanol and the excitotoxic amino acid.

 3.. These researchers must have known that allowing the subjects to take
anti-seizure medication during the study would drastically reduce the
liklihood of seizures.

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FDA Gift to Monsanto
In 1992, the FDA published an analysis of reports of seizures associated
with consumption of aspartame (Tollefson 1992). The report concludes:

 "In most cases, information obtained from the complaintants' medical
records as well as data on consumption patterns, temporal relationships, and
challenge tests did not support the claim that the occurrences of the
seizures were linked to consumption of aspartame."

Monsanto scientists repeated the FDA conclusion in their postmarketing
surveillance report published in 1994 (Butchko 1994). Shaywitz (1994) also
used this FDA report to bolster their conclusion.

What they do not mention is that this FDA analysis has major flaws and is
provably biased, rendering it useless.

A short summary is in order for those who have not yet read the History of
Aspartame Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) report. During the FDA approval
process, a number of government officials were rewarded with jobs connected
to the aspartame industry (GAO 1986). This included two US Attorneys
investigating the manufacturer for pre-approval research fraud who were
hired by the manufacturer's law firm (one during the investigation itself).
The Director of the FDA's Bureau of Foods was given a job as the Vice
President of the National Soft Drink Associaton (GAO 1986). The FDA
Commissioner was rewarded with a high-paying consulting position with the
public relations company of the manufacturer (Burston Marsteller) not long
after approving aspartame (GAO 1986). After these and other employees were
given jobs related to the aspartame industry, the FDA supported the
manufacturer unconditionally. The FDA redirected aspartame reaction reports
to the AIDS Hotline (Turner 1987). In addition, the FDA told its regional
offices to not report aspartame toxicity reactions to the Washington, D.C.
headquarters (CNI 1984). The extreme FDA bias continues to this day leading
some people to refer to the FDA as a Monsanto subsidiary.

Tollefson (1992) Flaws

 a.. Tollefson inappropriately classified seizures as "Group D -- highly
unlikely" related to aspartame if the subjects refused to release their
medical records. This shows extreme bias as such cases would obviously be
more appropriately categorized in a "possible aspartame reaction" category
since the cases may or may not be caused by aspartame -- more information
was needed.

 b.. Tollefson inapropriately classified seizures as "Group D -- highly
unlikely" related to aspartame if there was any possible factor in the
patient's life that could have caused or contributed to those seizures. This
is akin as categorizing smoking or stress as "highly unlikely" for
contributing to heart disease if the patient eats a diet which could
contribute to heart disease! Clearly, these patients should have been
classified in a "possible aspartame reaction" category.

 c.. The authors inappropriately declared ineligable, 35% of the non-Group
D seizure victims because the seizures occured more than 13 hours after
ingestion of aspartame. This is absurd because 1) it is thought that
aspartame may lower the seizure threshold and therefore, aspartame-caused
seizures could occur long after phenylalanine levels return to normal; 2) an
animal study has shown that excitotoxins can accumulate in areas of the
brain not protected by the blood brain barrier and remain there for as much
as 24 hours (Inouye 1976); 3) formaldehyde adducts appear to accumulate from
aspartame ingestion (Trocho 1998); and 4) a journal article immediately
following this biased analysis, Carroll (1992), points out that food
reactions can be delayed up to 48 hours after ingestion!

 d.. The authors claim that only 251 cases of seizures due to aspartame
ingestion have been reported to the FDA. In reality, the FDA splits the
categories into: "Seizures and Convulsions," "Grand Mal," "Petit Mal,"
"Complex Partial Seizures," and "Simple Partial Seizures." The 251 cases
quoted by the authors referred only to the "Seizures and Convulsions"
category as of 1995. There have been over 500 seizures reported to the FDA
(DHHS 1995) at probably a reporting rate of far less 1% (Gold 1996) leading
to well over 50,000 cases of seizures which have already been linked to
aspartame consumption.

 e.. Even with the major flaws in classifying adverse reaction reports, 76
of 251 cases were still categorized as Group A and Group B meaning that a
rechallenge with aspartame lead to furthur seizures. Clearly, one cannot
possibly conclude that this analysis shows no link between aspartame and
seizures as implied in the abstract.

What is particularly disturbing about this analysis -- aside from its major
flaws -- is that independent research was totally ignored in favor of
aspartame industry-sponsored research. For example, the one-day industry
study of aspartame and headache (Schiffman 1987) was listed, but not the
much longer independent study (Koehler 1988). An aspartame
industry-sponsored International Workshop was cited (Dews 1987), but the
authors completely ignored an International Conference which invited both
independent and industry researchers and which focused largely on the
aspartame and seizure issue (Wurtman 1988). Most of the rest of the
citations are from publications of aspartame industry-funded scientists.

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Aspartame Industry Pumps Out Its Own Animal Research
Not surprisingly, the aspartame industry has its own selection animals
studies which claim that aspartame does not lower the seizure threshhold
(Cain 1989, Dailey 1987, Dailey 1988, Dailey 1989, Dailey 1991, Jobe 1988,
Lasley 1988, Meldrum 1988, Nevins 1986, Thai 1988, Tilson 1989). The
discussion sections of some of these studies and the review by Sze (1989)
points to the huge doses of aspartame in rodents needed to lower the seizure
threshold in many of the independent studies. The implication is that normal
doses of aspartame ingested by humans could not possibly cause lower the
seizure threshold.

What these researchers fail to mention is that Wurtman (1988) showed that it
takes approximately 60 times more phenylalanine given to rodents to cause
the changes in phenylalanine/LNAA ratio seen in humans. Therefore, the
aspartame doses given to the rodents in these experiments are really not
very high after adjusting for differences between rodent and human
metabolism. If the seizures from aspartame are caused by the combination of
methanol/formaldehyde and the excitotoxic amino acid from aspartame as I
believe may be the case, it is important to note that methanol is 10 times
more acutely toxic in humans than in rodents (Roe 1982) and it takes five
times more excitotoxins given to rodents to simulate human ingestion (Olney
1988, Stegink 1979, page 90).

It is also not surprising that Monsanto/NutraSweet attempted to challenge
the Wurtman (1988) conclusion that it takes 60 times the dose of
phenyalanine given to rodents to change the phenylalanine to LNAA ratio
similar to what happens in humans (Hjelle 1992). The results in this study
are ridiculous and do not even come close to matching the results of other,
independent research (Perego 1988, Pinto 1988, Wurtman 1983, Yokogoshi
1984). The numerous studies that Hjelle (1992) claims their results are
similar to actually have results far different. This will be discussed in
more detail when the research abuses related to aspartame and phenylalanine
are looked at.

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HCN - 28 Sep 2004 04:47 GMT
...> Disclaimer: "I don't know what I'm talking about. I just read some
stuff off
> the Internet." If there is irrefutable proof that the below is a bunch of
> bs, please let me know.
>
> According to http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/abuse/seizures.html
....  snip for brevity...

It is still the "zebra" explanation ("if you hear hoof prints behind you, it
is more likely a horse, not a zebra")... if the seizures are related to
something she ate, it would be a very very rare thing (also people have been
having seizure LONG before artificial sweeteners).

The internet is full of worthless stuff.  If you really need to spend your
time checking out stuff BEFORE the neurologist's apointment, then go to
http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org ... and if you want to check out papers
that have been written on the subject, check out:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi (your city library may be able
to get you the full papers).  See if the papers you found at the
"holisticmed" site actually exist (some folks actually reference fake papers
and journals to boost their agenda).

But, really... go see a neurologist.  Seizures are nothing to muck around
with.  They've been known to disrupt vital systems... like the heart.  I
knew one kid who would stop breathing when he had seizures.  The neurologist
will more than likely order a few types of EEG's, metabolic screens and some
images (our kid got a CAT-scan, this was way before MRI's).
Rich - 28 Sep 2004 05:04 GMT
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> stuff off
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> will more than likely order a few types of EEG's, metabolic screens and some
> images (our kid got a CAT-scan, this was way before MRI's).

She's already got a neurologist appointment booked and an EEG for this week.
Thanks for the links.
HCN - 28 Sep 2004 05:01 GMT
...
Here is another good place to read about epilepsy:
http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/epi.html
Steve Harris  sbharris@ROMAN9.netcom.com - 26 Sep 2004 22:33 GMT
> My wife (a 26-year-old healthy female) recently started having seizures.
> She's seeing a neurologist next week, but I just want to know more about
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> 5. Headaches, twitching, and vision disturbances usually preceded the
> seizures.

COMMENT:

I know of no kind of seizures that involve involuntary loss of motor
control but not level of awareness, are brought on by anxiety, and are
fixed up by candybars and cheesecake brought by husbands.

But it's a pretty good description of some kind of anxiety attack or
hysteria or conversion reaction. In any case, she needs to be
monitored on one of those wards where people have continueous EEG and
videomonitoring, and are kept away from enabling relatives.  Somehow,
I don't think she's going to get it. But prove me wrong.

SBH
Rich - 26 Sep 2004 23:40 GMT
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> > My wife (a 26-year-old healthy female) recently started having seizures.
> > She's seeing a neurologist next week, but I just want to know more about
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> I know of no kind of seizures that involve involuntary loss of motor
> control but not level of awareness, are brought on by anxiety,

Simple partial seizures.

> and are fixed up by candybars and cheesecake brought by husbands.

Simple partial seizures brought on by insulin-induced hypoglycemia? masked
by the candy bars? WHO KNOWS! We'll find out soon.

> But it's a pretty good description of some kind of anxiety attack or
> hysteria or conversion reaction.

I could buy that.

In any case, she needs to be monitored on one of those wards where people
have continueous EEG and
> videomonitoring,

That's the plan.

> and are kept away from enabling relatives. Somehow,
> I don't think she's going to get it. But prove me wrong.

That's not a problem and I can prove you wrong. But if my wife was
practically starving and about to pass out from no food, there's nothing
wrong with my giving her food.  The food made the "seizures" (or whatever
they were!) "go away" at least for the time being. We'll see what the EEG
says. I'm not a doctor but the food is common sense. Some very educated
doctors seem to lack common sense and vice versa. The food was given after
she was notified of being discharged anyway. I'm not here to argue about the
food that I gave her, I am simply asking if any doctors here know what this
might be. It would be nice for me to know what the neurologist might be
thinking next week. I appreciate your mentioning of anxiety attacks or
hysteria. I will read about this, but I didn't know that could cause muscle
jerks and loss of voluntary motor control??

Richard
Ron Peterson - 27 Sep 2004 15:07 GMT
> My wife (a 26-year-old healthy female) recently started having seizures.
> She's seeing a neurologist next week, but I just want to know more about
> what is going on. Perhaps someone can share some information with me.

Your wife probably has a type of epilepsy. The neurologist will
diagnosis the problem and prescribe medication to prevent
re-occurrence.

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Ken S. Tucker - 29 Sep 2004 00:10 GMT
> > My wife (a 26-year-old healthy female) recently started having seizures.
> > She's seeing a neurologist next week, but I just want to know more about
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> diagnosis the problem and prescribe medication to prevent
> re-occurrence.

Epilepsy usually manifests at a younger age, the worst case
scenario is a brain tumor, fortunately this is highly treatable.
Best of Health
Ken
 
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