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DNA DAFNprinting Proposed...

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makemyday@worldnet.att.net - 12 Aug 2004 12:04 GMT
Latest item from the genomic frontier, DAFNz be forewarned:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1278706,00.html
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Privacy in peril from genetic fingerprint technology - August 8, 2004

Police and forensic scientists have embarked on 'a thoroughly dangerous'
bid to boost the power of DNA fingerprinting, Sir Alec Jeffreys, the
technology's inventor, has warned. Jeffreys said new developments in
the field have alarming implications for civil liberties, and could
allow police to compile files containing highly personal data about a
person's *RACIAL* origins, medical history and *PSYCHOLOGICAL* profile.
[.....]
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In other words, race and behavioral tendencies (e.g., intelligence,
violence) are *genetic*.

Jeffreys is a genetics professor at Leicester University, UK, who
presumably knows more about this than Byron, Bob, Alberto, et al...
Sporkman - 12 Aug 2004 16:54 GMT
And just what about this information makes you conclude necessarily that
the racial origins and psychological profile potentials are not from
entirely separate and unrelated areas of the human DNA sequence?  There
are approximately 3 billion chemical bas pairs in human DNA.  Even
yours.  The idea that race or tendencies towards violence or tendencies
towards highly illogical and emotionally based thinking (as in your own
case) may be eventually decoded isn't surprising.  That there might be
any correlation between any of them is an idea beyond science fiction.

'Sporky'

> Latest item from the genomic frontier, DAFNz be forewarned:
>
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> Jeffreys is a genetics professor at Leicester University, UK, who
> presumably knows more about this than Byron, Bob, Alberto, et al...
No Spam - 12 Aug 2004 21:39 GMT
> And just what about this information makes you conclude necessarily that
> the racial origins and psychological profile potentials are not from
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> 'Sporky'

What the f.ck?
Sporkman - 27 Aug 2004 19:04 GMT
> > And just what about this information makes you conclude necessarily that
> > the racial origins and psychological profile potentials are not from
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> >
> What the f.ck?

Understand English?
makemyday@worldnet.att.net - 12 Aug 2004 22:07 GMT
> And just what about this information makes you conclude necessarily that
> the racial origins and psychological profile potentials are not from
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> case) may be eventually decoded isn't surprising.  That there might be
> any correlation between any of them is an idea beyond science fiction.

The following DAFNstatz are *REAL*, not science fiction.  
The correlation between crime (violence) & dumb (psychological)
with DAFNz is extremely strong:

************* start - DAFNz disproportionaltely dumb ***************
Smart DAFNz are so rare that elite universities fight over them
to fill the quota slotz. They are more sought after than the bezt
of the IQ-75 football/bazketball playerz.  No DAFN payz a dime of
hiz/her own money to attend. Total free ride.

So it is instructive to examine how these academic "SuperDAFNz"
stack up with their white counterparts. Recognize that many of the
whites at elite universities are legacy admissions (less than superstar
academics but daddy/granddaddy are alumni and big donors).  Overall,
the whites aren't even the IQ-160 best-of-the-crop if merit were
the only consideration.  So the comparison below is the smartest DAFNz
(and Asians for reference) with the not-quite-smartest whites:

http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pdf/dst2003/2004459.pdf
             
               2003 NAEP Public Schools Avg Reading Scores

                       Grade 4               Grade 8                  
                     White  Black          White  Black  

Nation                 227   197             270    244  
                         
Large Cities           226   193             268    241
Atlanta                250   191              TS    237
Boston                 225   202             273    245
Charlotte              237   205             278    247
Chicago                224   193             265    243
Cleveland              208   191             250    238  
Dist Columbia          254   184              TS    236
Houston                235   201             270    244
Los Angeles            217   187             266    233
New York City          231   201             270    245
San Diego              231   196             269    236
                                 TS - Sample size too small

Entering class SAT-point Difference_From_The_White_Mean at
elite universities - Source: Consortium On Higher Education 1990

DAFNz         Asians           School
-------    -----------        -----------
-271           +70             Rice
-288            +2             Berkeley
-246           -22             Univ of Virginia
-218           +49             Dartmouth
-206           -57             Oberlin
-219           -37             Univ of Rochester
-207           -28             Univ of Chicago
-171           +58             Stanford
-182           +42             Columbia
-184           +38             Duke
-188           +32             Trinity
-181           +36             Williams
-180           +35             Northwestern
-155           +55             Johns Hopkins
-175           +34             Wellesley
-200            -6             Swarthmore
-178           +18             Amherst
-150           +40             Princeton
-150           +40             Brown
-162           +21             Cornell
-150           +23             U Penn
-95           +65             Harvard
-147            +3             Georgetown
-122            -5             MIT
-120            +1             Washington

http://www.nature.com/news/2004/040719/full/040719-11.html
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21 July 2004 -- Grey matter matters for intellect --
               Intelligence linked to size of key brain regions.

Size may matter after all, when it comes to IQ. A brain imaging study
suggests that human intellect is based on the volume of grey matter in
certain brain regions, challenging alternative views about the basis
of intelligence.

Researchers have been trying to pinpoint the biological roots of
intelligence for decades. More than 25 years ago, a weak correlation
was found between IQ and overall brain size. Others have suggested
that level of intelligence is due to the size of the frontal lobe.

Now, however, a common view is that more subtle characteristics are
likely to be involved, such as the speed at which nerve impulses
travel in the brain, or the number of neuronal connections present.

This study challenges that idea, suggesting that the volume of certain
brain regions may have an effect after all.

Richard Haier from the University of California, Irvine, and colleagues
used magnetic resonance imaging to measure the amount of grey matter in
the brains of 47 adults, who also took standard IQ tests.

The researchers divided the brain into sections and imaged the amount of
grey matter in each one. Grey matter is a diffuse network of brain
regions thought to be involved in information processing. It is rich
in nerve cell bodies and looks grey to the naked eye.

They found that people with high IQ scores had significantly more grey
matter in 24 of the regions than people with lower scores. Many of the
areas, which are spread throughout the brain, are known to be related
to memory, attention and language. [......]
*************** end - DAFNz disproportionately dumb *****************

*************** start - DAFN crime disproportionality ***************
Source:   http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pdf/cpus9704.pdf   Table 4.2

                State_Prisons             Federal_Prisons
                Male    Female            Male    Female

   White       33.3%    33.2%             29.9%   29.1%  

   DAFN        46.4%    47.7%             38.1%   34.5%          

   Hispanic    17.1%    15.4%             27.0%   32.2%

   Other        3.2%     3.7%              5.0%    4.2%

      Total    100.0%   100.0%            100.0%  100.0%

These data are for 1997 which is apparently the most recent year
for which the DOJ has the figures fully worked up.  The same table
has comparison data for 1991. For 1997, the DAFN figures are a few
percent higher and white figures a few percent lower.  Extrapolating
to today, DAFN incarzeration would be approaching 50% of the total
prison population, a shocking and disgusting track record of crime and
violence when you consider DAFNz are only 12% of the total population.
************* end - DAFN crime disproportionality *******************

Q-E-muthafkg-D...
Alton - 28 Aug 2004 10:43 GMT
> That there might be
> any correlation between any of them is an idea beyond science fiction.

Do you feel that you're enough of an expert to state this
definitively? Or are you merely stating this out of bias?

The idea of germs and atoms were once scoffed at. Magnetism used to be
regarded by some as witchcraft.
 
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