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Under-Appreciated Gems of Scientific Epistemology
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Jeff Lanfield - 21 Jul 2004 00:49 GMT I am writing a paper on how new ideas gain acceptance in science. I would like to get opinions on what were the most profound books and thinkers on scientific epistemology you have encountered.
By this I mean a work that totally changed the way you look at the world and at science. Below is my list. I would be grateful for your additions. I am really looking for works that are novel and different, orthogonal to the ones I listed. For example, I included Bertalanffy's General System Theory so I do not want the many, many other books on General System Theory.
I'm specifically looking for the thinkers and books that are not only highly original but also under-appreciated and not as widely known as they deserve to be. For instance, Aristotle, Plato, and Darwin will not make this list as their work is well known and universally recognized.
My list (no particular order):
Rene Thom: Structural Stability and Morphogenesis Ludwig von Bertalanffy: General System Theory David Bohm: Wholeness and Implicate order
Thanks for your help,
- Jeff
Uncle Al - 21 Jul 2004 02:03 GMT > I am writing a paper on how new ideas gain acceptance in science. Reproducible empirical demonstration by despised and undeserving discoverers.
Kary Mullis won a 1993 Nobel Prize subsequent to a boring late-night drive down Highway 128 to Anderson Valley (Mendocino County, CA) in April 1983. Millis got a $10K bonus for his invention. Cetus sold his PCR patent to Hoffman-LaRoche for $300,000,000.
I'd say a 0.0033% bonus was a bit slim, wouldn't you? "despised and undeserving"
> I > would like to get opinions on what were the most profound books and > thinkers on scientific epistemology you have encountered. "Our Lady of the Flowers" Jean Genet
> By this I mean a work that totally changed the way you look at the > world and at science. "The Story of O" Uncle Al is fond of tethered owls.
> Below is my list. I would be grateful for your > additions. I [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Ludwig von Bertalanffy: General System Theory > David Bohm: Wholeness and Implicate order I once hired a tech straight from UC/Irvine, dual Honors BS in Chemistry and Biology, the best of a disappointing lot. Said hire had never seen a dual stage gas regulator or Swagelock fittings. That is your list.
-- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
Gregory L. Hansen - 21 Jul 2004 02:09 GMT >I am writing a paper on how new ideas gain acceptance in science. I >would like to get opinions on what were the most profound books and >thinkers on scientific epistemology you have encountered. > >By this I mean a work that totally changed the way you look at the >world and at science. None. My understanding of science has evolved slowly, from numerous sources and personal experiences. It's shuffled and stumbled forward as I slowly grasp concepts on the fourth attempt at general relativity, fifth attempt at quantum field theory, or whatever. There are certainly some very good and useful books, but I can't say I've read any that, as you say, have totally changed the way I look at the world and at science.
 Signature "Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -- Max Planck
Scott Seidman - 21 Jul 2004 13:44 GMT > I am writing a paper on how new ideas gain acceptance in science. I > would like to get opinions on what were the most profound books and [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > - Jeff Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions (a MUST given your topic!!) Koestler, The Watershed de La Mettrie, Man a Machine
Scott
John Spevacek - 21 Jul 2004 13:49 GMT > I am writing a paper on how new ideas gain acceptance in science. I > would like to get opinions on what were the most profound books and [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Ludwig von Bertalanffy: General System Theory > David Bohm: Wholeness and Implicate order Callen's "Thermodynamics" is certainly novel, different and under appreciated. It certainly is orthogonal to traditional approaches. It is not written in a manner for someone who is just learning thermo, but rather for someone already familiar with the subject and who would gain from a new viewpoint.
Much of modern science is not done by writing books, but rather by publishing research articles. It takes many researchers, many articles and many years for a new field to develop, such as with fractals, chaos (non-linear dynamics), ... You can certainly point out seminal papers, (usually with hindsight) but it is seldom that a researchers writes a tome that initially sets off a new field. They only example that I can think of in that vein is Wolfram's "A New Kind of Science", which I have not read.
John
Johnny 5 - 21 Jul 2004 15:18 GMT > I am writing a paper on how new ideas gain acceptance in science. I > would like to get opinions on what were the most profound books and > thinkers on scientific epistemology you have encountered. Do weblinks count? Here is one I read a lot because I was a real estate investor for a time.
http://www.hoyt.org/monograph1.pdf
The first group of people, and there are really three groups to whom I want to communicate, is composed of academics. These are people who are in the business of developing and disseminating knowledge, although some would prefer to call it a profession. How the professor treats his or her career is what makes the difference. The second group of people includes the recipients of the knowledge, particularly the thought leaders who develop policy for managing enterprises ? public as well as private.
The Age of Enlightenment moved reason to the forefront of decision-making. But, the pendulum swung so far that emotion gets short shrift, and intolerance put an end to the Enlightenment. Irrational exuberance and other aspects of human nature may take us where we don?t want to go. So, we need a better understanding of the system. Academia is charged with providing that knowledge, but the structure and incentives are not working as well as they should. Part of the problem is that we keep breaking down the areas of knowledge into disciplines, but devote too little attention to interdisciplinary approaches. While discipline focus is a good way to develop better understanding of some parts of the system, when one has an issue with which to deal, it may be critical to draw on multiple, preferably integrated, disciplines. Furthermore, there are some underlying principles that apply to many disciplines so that we could do a better job in our specializations if we expanded our breadth of knowledge. Strategy is a critical part of dealing with issues. So, if one is really good at strategy, one can make good decisions in a variety of areas provided some basic facts are obtained and an appropriate strategy applied. Furthermore, if a critical point towards a trend is reached, then there may be a cascading effect, i.e., others may follow the shift to more relevant research and better decisions. That?s the story. I recall that 45 years ago, as a doctoral student, I was told along with my classmates in a Money and Banking class, by Professor Cleveland, that if we really understood this one sentence, ?The quantity of money theory holds under conditions much more restrictive than required by its advocates, and a fortiori its critics,? we should just come back in fourteen weeks when we will spend two weeks on another book. It was a rigorous fourteen weeks. Not every reader interested in the ideas is interested in the rigor of my analysis, such as it is. Indeed, the development of the ideas is rather loose. But a wide array of literature is referred to, and is important in supporting the development of the ideas. In order to make it easier to read, especially for the second and third groups, I have used a style of including boxed text that may be skipped over when one is just looking for the line of reasoning being developed. For those not prepared to accept at face value the statements in the line of reasoning, elaboration is provided, usually using quotations. Thus, the book may be used as a point of departure for further study of the ideas that are put together to build the theme. The second group, ??the recipients of the knowledge, particularly the thought leaders who develop policy for managing enterprises, public as well as private,? includes those business leaders who are interested in influencing academic research efforts to produce knowledge relevant to the issues that they face. In the area of finance, Wall Street has been a great benefactor of relevant research coming out of academia. The applicability of research has influenced academics in selection of topics. I am not referring to consulting assignments, but rather to basic and applied research that enhances the understanding of the system in a way that becomes the basis for engineering a solution. The difference between basic and applied is that the basic has a longer time dimension and the application is not known. The engineering of a solution, if it develops a new process, is applied research. If it simply applies a developed process, it is consulting. viii The idea with this second group is to bridge the gap between industry and academia. This is one of the primary goals pursued by the Homer Hoyt Institute through its support of the Advanced Studies Institute in Real Estate and Land Economics and with its creation of the Hoyt Fellows. The third group, which includes philanthropists, also includes foundations. The Homer Hoyt Institute is such a foundation. In its 35-year history, it has switched from being a grant-receiving organization to becoming a grant- giving organization. It has a track record of doing what is advocated in this book, and it certainly would welcome support for expanding research projects as advocated in this book. But it would also be pleased if the example set by the Hoyt Institute?s approach were applied to other disciplines. Because of this broader interest, the major audience for this book is social scientists, irrespective of discipline. Examples are drawn from real estate because that is what we, at the Institute, have been doing for more than a third of a century. The application to other disciplines is a big subject. As a start, the issue of terrorism has been selected to be an issue to which the concepts discussed may be applied, or more accurately, a case that can draw from many disciplines, including real estate. It happens to highlight a key area of study relating to decision- making. That area is the influence of cultural differences on decisions ? and it merits a plurality approach. The plurality concept is as value-laden as is the perspective of the system. The capsule summary is that Rousseau had it right when he saw a common set of arrangements as a social contract. The problem was an absolute set for all on a scale that did not allow for societal differences. Dealing with differences is a major issue, whether it is dealing with terrorists or the investors who have the irrational exuberance that drives our security markets to fiascos.
> By this I mean a work that totally changed the way you look at the > world and at science. A work, I went through college, I was exposed to the standard education there, standard philosophers - most of the concepts I had encountered through SCI FI tv shows as a child or cartoons even - I have forgotten most of the cartoons - not Akira - but I still have very vivid memories of the science fiction shows. When I was younger I read future shock by alvin toffler, spiritual machines by kurzweil, but my cultural references in star trek and other scifi tv shows and movies are where my memories and my heart lies on a whole host of science and politics and economy. I like entertaining education, entertaining exposure to new ideas, some of the concepts in these tv shows I did not understand or see real world relevance until I got older and identical things happened in my real world experience. I always look for the multimedia version of information, I would rather watch a movie or tv show than read a book. The internet is invaluable in my exploration of new ideas though. I would rather engage in active commentary with sci.econers than go back and read the archives for the past 10 years. Just not as FUN, seems like a DEAD thing, talking day to day is a living thing and reading 5 year old archives seems dead. I accept I lose out on good stores of knowledge but hope to LEARN that same knowledge through my discussions - I had a poet buddy who read poetry, then he started travelling the world and living it, he said you need to live these books, not read them, not as easy to learn that way.
Marvin Minsky and others give some good ideas but I am always falling back on things that touched me emotionally, the first time I heard some vangelis or watched blade runner, 1984 was a good book, but I liked watching Blake's 7 for my consumption of orwellian ideals and rewatch it today for it's hilarity and entertainment value. The prisoner with Mcgoohan was good too.
The movie the Usual Suspects although not scifi touched my heart as well.
Below is my list. I would be grateful for your
> additions. I > am really looking for works that are novel and different, orthogonal > to the ones I listed. For example, I included Bertalanffy's General > System Theory so I do not want the many, many other books on General > System Theory. Never heard of it, went to amazon and read up on it, not something I think I will buy.
> I'm specifically looking for the thinkers and books that are not only > highly original but also under-appreciated and not as widely known as > they deserve to be. Well if that is what those books represent, unknowns, why are they unknown? They were tucked away on some bookshelf and never exposed to popular culture, movies need to be made, tv shows etc. If the sharing of thier memes never reached a critical mass there must be some problem to the flow of thier memes - too hard, to convulated, not entertaining, like the flow of a virus, it lived in just a few hosts and never jumped to too many other people in the world - why? - why isn't the virus spreading in these undiscovered Gems? The people that write them are vague and not popular, the people that read them try to get the message out and the masses do not chomp down on the material, I took philosophy courses in college, with a very good professor, but I dont remember those courses much, I remember the same concepts taught in the episodes of star trek I watched. Its like the confederacy of dunces, people kept telling me to read it, that it was hilarious, I believe them, I have read about it on amazon, I heard wil farrell was going to be in a new movie about it, and when he his I will watch the movie, but I am not going to read the book. Too lazy I guess.
For instance, Aristotle, Plato, and Darwin will
> not make this list as their work is well known and universally > recognized. Think what they could have done in getting their message to the masses with modern day internet and a hollywood studio or PBS behind them? Think if they had the cast of MAd TV to teach some of thier lessons, many people would watch it and laugh and learn. Homer may have wrote a good book in the Iliad, but the movie Troy will be where my memories and visualization stay.
> My list (no particular order): > > Rene Thom: Structural Stability and Morphogenesis Read about it just now on Amazon, have read some robert rosen that amazon said was like Rene Thom, didnt keep up with Robert Rosen when I read some of his stuff 10 years ago. I do still watch PBS and Nova and the SCIENCE channel though - just don't read books much with that kind of medium in my house.
> Ludwig von Bertalanffy: General System Theory > David Bohm: Wholeness and Implicate order Never heard of them either, read about them on amazon, it does not motivate me to buy thier book or even go to the library if the book is free, if however I am watching Nova or the Science channel and they come on I will listen to them and try to learn. If Dennis Miller or Jon Stewart started dropping thier name I might have been exposed more. Without this list I would probably have never looked them up, after looking them up I still have no incentive to keep up with them. The meme touched me, and I am not going to pass it on.
 Signature Government policy in interest rates, and on finance generally, has been marked by vacillation, wishful thinking, electoral expediency of the most shameful type towards the end of last year, contortions and contradictions, all to accommodate the redneck economics of the National Country Party. (Harsard Aug.27 1981)
Johnny 5 - 21 Jul 2004 15:52 GMT > I am writing a paper on how new ideas gain acceptance in science. I > would like to get opinions on what were the most profound books and > thinkers on scientific epistemology you have encountered. http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/EPISTEM.html
Here is a website I am reading now - you have any you can share?
 Signature Government policy in interest rates, and on finance generally, has been marked by vacillation, wishful thinking, electoral expediency of the most shameful type towards the end of last year, contortions and contradictions, all to accommodate the redneck economics of the National Country Party. (Harsard Aug.27 1981)
puppet_sock@hotmail.com - 21 Jul 2004 22:52 GMT > I am writing a paper on how new ideas gain acceptance in science. I > would like to get opinions on what were the most profound books and > thinkers on scientific epistemology you have encountered. Well, it's probably not the direction you are intending, but a truly foundational work is:
_Green Eggs and Ham_ By Dr. Seuss, ISBN: 0394800168.
The fundamental message of this book is the first introduction of many people to the empirical method. The hero didn't like green eggs and ham until he actually *tried* them. Then he liked them. Socks
Albert - 21 Jul 2004 23:30 GMT > > I am writing a paper on how new ideas gain acceptance in > > science. I would like to get opinions on what were the most [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > actually *tried* them. Then he liked them. > Socks And if you intend to extend your research into psychology, economics and politics:
THE SNEETCHES by Dr. Suess
Now the Star-bellied Sneetches had bellies with stars. The Plain-bellied Sneetches had none upon thars. The stars weren't so big; they were really quite small. You would think such a thing wouldn't matter at all. But because they had stars, all the Star-bellied Sneetches would brag, "We're the best kind of Sneetch on the beaches."
With their snoots in the air, they would sniff and they'd snort, " We'll have nothing to do with the plain-bellied sort." And whenever they met some, when they were out walking, they'd hike right on past them without even talking.
When the Star-bellied children went out to play ball, could the Plain-bellies join in their game? Not at all! You could only play ball if your bellies had stars, and the Plain-bellied children had none upon thars.
When the Star-bellied Sneetches had frankfurter roasts, or picnics or parties or marshmallow toasts, they never invited the Plain-bellied Sneetches. Left them out cold in the dark of the beaches. Kept them away; never let them come near, and that's how they treated them year after year.
Then one day, it seems, while the Plain-bellied Sneetches were moping, just moping alone on the beaches, sitting there, wishing their bellies had stars, up zipped a stranger in the strangest of cars.
"My friends, " he announced in a voice clear and keen, "My name is Sylvester McMonkey McBean. I've heard of your troubles; I've heard you're unhappy. But I can fix that; I'm the fix-it-up chappie. I've come here to help you; I have what you need. My prices are low, and I work with great speed, and my work is one hundred per cent guaranteed."
Then quickly, Sylvester McMonkey McBean put together a very peculiar machine. Then he said, "You want stars like a Star-bellied Sneetch? My friends, you can have them . . . . for three dollars each. Just hand me your money and climb on aboard."
They clambered inside and the big machine roared. It bonked. It clonked. It jerked. It berked. It bopped them around, but the thing really worked. When the Plain-bellied Sneetches popped out, they had stars! They actually did, they had stars upon thars!
Then they yelled at the ones who had stars from the start, "We're exactly like you; you can't tell us apart. We're all just the same now, you snooty old smarties. Now we can come to your frankfurter parties!"
"Good grief!" groaned the one who had stars from the first. "We're still the best Sneetches, and they are the worst. But how in the world will we know," they all frowned, "if which kind is what or the other way 'round?"
Then up stepped McBean with a very sly wink, and he said, "Things are not quite as bad as you think. You don't know who's who, that is perfectly true. But come with me, friends, do you know what I'll do? I'll make you again the best Sneetches on beaches, and all it will cost you is ten dollars eaches.
Belly stars are no longer in style, " said McBean. "What you need is a trip through my stars-off machine. This wondrous contraption will take off your stars, so you won't look like Sneetches who have them on thars."
That handy machine, working very precisely, removed all the stars from their bellies quite nicely. Then, with snoots in the air, they paraded about. They opened their beaks and proceeded to shout, "We now know who's who, and there isn't a doubt, the best kind of Sneetches are Sneetches without."
Then, of course those with stars all got frightfully mad. To be wearing a star now was frightfully bad. Then, of course old Sylvester McMonkey McBean invited them into his stars-off machine. Then, of course from then on, you can probably guess, things really got into a horrible mess.
All the rest of the day on those wild screaming beaches, the Fix-it-up-Chappie was fixing up Sneetches. Off again, on again, in again, out again, through the machine and back round about again, still paying money, still running through, changing their stars every minute or two, until neither the Plain- nor the Star-bellies knew whether this one was that one or that one was this one or which one was what one or what one was who!
Then, when every last cent of their money was spent, the Fix-It-Up-Chappie packed up and he went. And he laughed as he drove in his car up the beach, "They never will learn; no, you can't teach a Sneetch!"
But McBean was quite wrong, I'm quite happy to say, the Sneetches got quite a bit smarter that day. That day, they decided that Sneetches are Sneetches, and no kind of Sneetch is the BEST on the beaches. That day, all the Sneetches forgot about stars, and whether they had one or not upon thars.
 Signature "Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it." -- George Orwell as Syme in "1984"
jacques jedwab - 22 Jul 2004 15:24 GMT Sorry! But you waste your time. All and anything has been said, even on the role of the underdog in the lab (cf. de Sola Price on the role of low-ranking technicians in great discoveries, e.g. the supporting of the Michelson interferometer with a mercury bath).
Who remembers the name of the inventor of the electrical dynamo (Zenobe Gramme), or of the stationary gas engine, or of the electrical brake.
Science progresses both with Supermen (Ortega y Gasset model), who synthesize a whole domain (ex.: Langmuir), AND with obscure plodders who add a little pebble to the building (innumerable examples).
J.J.
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