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Lipitor fails against Fasting; solve drug prescription in USA and  Medical Health

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Archimedes Plutonium - 08 Apr 2004 17:39 GMT
Read last night that Lipitor garnered Pfizer over 19 billion dollars
last year. That is ridiculous and a sign of the stupidity of modern day
humans. If one in the future reads that a drug company garnered 19
billion dollars from a cholesterol pill one would think that people of
the 21st century were lean slim and trim. But no, what the reality is
that obesity is number one health problem and that Lipitor is not a
decrease in obesity but a facilitator of obesity.

The real test of all cholesterol drugs is not one against another. But
all cholesterol drugs against FASTING. Given a group of 5,000 people who
eat cholesterol pills and a second group of 5,000 people who never eat
any cholesterol pills but who constantly diet and FAST for 1 day or 2
days in a row and who keep their weight _under 140lbs_

So the real science test is how many of the FASTing group lives beyond
75 years of age and how many of them die to heart troubles compared to
how many on Lipitor die before they reach 75 years of age. That is the
real test.

The drug companies are loathe to run this real test because they are
laughing to the bank every year. And would you not be laughing all the
way to the bank after being paid 19 billion dollars for sham medicine in
my opinion. It is also my opinion that modern day man and woman are as
easily fooled and tricked as was snake oil buyers of the 19th century,
for it is my opinion that all cholesterol drugs are just 21st century
snake-oil-medicine.

The guy from Harvard who conducted the recent Lipitor versus Pravachol
test should resign for in my opinion he is no man of science or medicine
but a man of economic huckstering of the general public. Lipitor raises
blood pressure and no cholesterol medication decreases obesity. Fasting
decreases obesity. And this man from Harvard who is pandering Lipitor
and other cholesterol pills and who want to see everyone on the planet
eating these pills should resign from medicine and from science. Fasting
solves the problem.

So get this man from Harvard to run a test comparing Lipitor to FASTing.

Archimedes Plutonium
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sinister - 08 Apr 2004 17:53 GMT
> Read last night that Lipitor garnered Pfizer over 19 billion dollars
> last year. That is ridiculous and a sign of the stupidity of modern day
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> that obesity is number one health problem and that Lipitor is not a
> decrease in obesity but a facilitator of obesity.

But _a priori_ it's possible that statins could decrease the incidence of
heart disease w/o decreasing the incidence of obesity.

> The real test of all cholesterol drugs is not one against another. But
> all cholesterol drugs against FASTING. Given a group of 5,000 people who
> eat cholesterol pills and a second group of 5,000 people who never eat
> any cholesterol pills but who constantly diet and FAST for 1 day or 2
> days in a row and who keep their weight _under 140lbs_

Huh?

You have to factor in likelihood of compliance for the two treatments (pills
and fasting).

> So the real science test is how many of the FASTing group lives beyond
> 75 years of age and how many of them die to heart troubles compared to
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tech27 - 08 Apr 2004 20:57 GMT
> Read last night that Lipitor garnered Pfizer over 19 billion dollars
> last year. That is ridiculous and a sign of the stupidity of modern day
> humans.

How so? Aids treatments probably cost even more. Is that stupid too?

If one in the future reads that a drug company garnered 19
> billion dollars from a cholesterol pill one would think that people of
> the 21st century were lean slim and trim. But no, what the reality is
> that obesity is number one health problem and that Lipitor is not a
> decrease in obesity but a facilitator of obesity.

Spoken like a true circuitus moron.

> The real test of all cholesterol drugs is not one against another. But
> all cholesterol drugs against FASTING.

Ahh yes, here we go. You could read something about a dildo and eventually
bring it back to fasting.

Yeah. I guess if you take in NOTHING your cholesterol will drop, as will
your weight and health (if taken to extremes).

Given a group of 5,000 people who
> eat cholesterol pills and a second group of 5,000 people who never eat
> any cholesterol pills but who constantly diet and FAST for 1 day or 2
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> how many on Lipitor die before they reach 75 years of age. That is the
> real test.

How about we compare a group a fasters to a group of normal people, who eat
healthy diets daily, don't smoke, live in the country, and excercise
regularily. But that regime would be too strange for you - I'm sure you'd
prefer fasting.

> The drug companies are loathe to run this real test because they are
> laughing to the bank every year. And would you not be laughing all the
> way to the bank after being paid 19 billion dollars for sham medicine in
> my opinion.

Remember that whever YOU attach "in my opinio" to a statement it means
"according to my derranged perception of things".

It is also my opinion that modern day man and woman are as
> easily fooled and tricked as was snake oil buyers of the 19th century,
> for it is my opinion that all cholesterol drugs are just 21st century
> snake-oil-medicine.

Of course, you have independent clinical studies to support your DO
(derranged opinion).

> The guy from Harvard

thanks for the detailed reference.

who conducted the recent Lipitor versus Pravachol
> test should resign for in my

derranged opinion he is no man of science or medicine
> but a man of economic huckstering of the general public. Lipitor raises
> blood pressure and no cholesterol medication decreases obesity.

Does Lipitor at least lower cholesterol?

Fasting
> decreases obesity. And this man from Harvard who is pandering Lipitor
> and other cholesterol pills and who want to see everyone on the planet
> eating these pills should resign from medicine and from science. Fasting
> solves the problem.
>
> So get this man from Harvard to run a test comparing Lipitor to FASTing

How about you run a test comparing fasting to a dildo?.

> Archimedes Plutonium
> whose entire brain  is just a dot

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anon - 09 Apr 2004 23:47 GMT
> Ahh yes, here we go. You could read something about a dildo and eventually
> bring it back to fasting.

This guy is a classic tinfoil-hat nutbag. Why argue with him?
tech27 - 12 Apr 2004 02:29 GMT
> > Ahh yes, here we go. You could read something about a dildo and eventually
> > bring it back to fasting.
>
> This guy is a classic tinfoil-hat nutbag. Why argue with him?

I suspected that, but got sucked in anyway. I was just trying to see what
side of the "genius/insane line he was on.
 
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