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Barbara Schwarz - 03 Apr 2004 19:39 GMT Kestrel <Kestrel_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<c4il6901uq8@drn.newsguy.com>...
> In article <eddd254a.0403310922.1092787a@posting.google.com>, Barbara Schwarz > says... > > > >Kestrel <Kestrel_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message > >news:<c4dpef01rqg@drn.newsguy.com>... > >> In article <c4c7420257h@drn.newsguy.com>, osmanthus says... > >> > > >> >In article <x08ac.65289$Bg.48869@fed1read03>, Hans says... > >> >> > >> >>Barbara Schwarz wrote: > >> >>>newzforyou@aol.com (NewzForYou) wrote in message > >> >>>news:<20040329111941.12182.00000329@mb-m06.aol.com>... > >> >>> > >> >>>>The undeniable fact is that basic human rights are granted to killers and > >>>>>>terrorists. Yet those same rights are denied people who have been accused of > >>>>>>being mentally ill and subsequently committed. Similarly, the "burden of > proof" > >>>>>>for any alleged criminal to be convicted and incarcerated is "beyond > reasonable > >>>>>>doubt." For civil committal, however, all that is required is "probable > cause," > >>>>>>"reasonable grounds," or a "reason to believe" there might be a danger to > self > >> >>>>or others. > >> >>>> > >>>>>>Hence, a disgruntled neighbor, a spouse, a fellow employee or anyone you > know > >>>>>>could accuse you of being a danger to yourself and others, and you could be > >> >>>>required to undergo a psychiatric examination to "prove" your sanity. > >> >>> > >> >>> This is so true, Newzforyou. Somebody did it to me. Somebody knocked > >> >>> at my door and outside stood two representatives from a Salt Lake > >> >>> mental health organization, approaching me as if I would be a mentally > >> >>> retarded or something. It turned out that somebody had just e-mailed > >> >>> to them that I would not be sane, and they can ruin your life by just > >> >>> comming and taking you with them. > >> >>> > >> >>> Actually, the person who wrote that to the psychs (she never met me > >> >>> nor corresponded with me) wrote that she does not think that I am a > >> >>> danger to myself or to others, but that was nevertheless enough to > >> >>> send the psychs. She just did not like my freedom of speech, the same > >> >>> problem under which so many posters suffer. Psychs covered her > >> >>> identity up despite that the person had bad intentions towards me. > >> >>> > >> >>> If I would have been only slightly out of balance, they would have > >> >>> committed me. If I would have exploded angrily, (as it would be the > >> >>> right of a person who is subjected to such a visit) they would have > >> >>> used that certainly against me. > >> >>> > >> >>> It feels terrible when you have to defend your state of mind, your > >> >>> personality, your views, etc. Each mistake, each word that might slip > >> >>> out of your mouth might be used against you. > >> >>> > >> >>> My warning to everyone in such a situation: don't crack any joke. Be > >> >>> as calm and conservative as you can be. The joke will be also used > >> >>> against you. > >> >>> > >> >>> However, I take my chances. I will say, write, and post about my > >> >>> experiences, I will not allow anybody to gag me, trying to restrict or > >> >>> steal my freedom of speech. But there is no doubt, psychs need to be > >> >>> handled, they are above the law. And if somebody thinks, if that would > >> >>> happen to me, I will just ask the courts for help, good luck. If the > >> >>> psychs claim that you are crazy, the judge will believe them and not > >> >>> you. > >> >>> > >> >>> Barbara Schwarz > >> >> > >> >>If you're telling the truth and someone really did send people with > >> >>butterfly-nets after you then they ought to be ashamed of themselves. > >> >> > >> >>As a clam you may be so full of sh.t that its coming out your ears, but > >> >>that doesn't make you crazy. Foolish and gullible yes, but not psycho. > >> >> > >> >>The one thing I do wonder is how the person behind this email knew who > >> >>you were, where you lived, and since when did someone sending the cops > >> >>(I'm assuming the police were involved) an email constitute probable > >> >>cause for them to come all the way out to see you, let along haul you > >> >>away to Bedlam? > >> >> > >> >>If I call the cops and say that my neighbor is acting crazy they are > >> >>going to want to know specifics. Futhermore they are going to want some > >> >>indication that his behavior IS dangerous to himself or others. If he's > >> >>talking to himself and staring at the walls while picking his nose then > >> >>that just isn't good enough. Now if I lie and say he's running around > >> >>with a chainsaw and a hockey mask then I've just filed a false police > >> >>report which means I'm the one they're going to come looking for next. > >> >>They're definitely not going to act on an email alone because of the > >> >>inherent lack of accountability involved. > >> >> > >> >>If the police were not involved and the people who came to see you were > >> >>not agents of law enforcement, then where on earth did you get the idea > >> >>that they had the authority to detain you? Seriously. Jehovah's > >> >>Witnesses and Utah Moonies come to my house from time to time and tell > >> >>me all kinds of things, but that doesn't mean I have to get in their car > >> >>with them. > >> >> > >> >>I remember a case a few years ago I heard about on the Gordon Liddy > >> >>show. Gordon's assistant told the story about how she was drug away to > >> >>a hospital and put under observation the night before. She was feeling > >> >>depressed (about what I don't remember) and called some sort of crisis > >> >>chat line because she didn't have anyone to talk to and the number was > >> >>advertized on TV. While she was nowhere near suicidal the phone-monkey > >> >>on the other end due to his infinite wisdom and fast-food experience > >> >>decided that she was, and even told her that she was. Her claims to the > >> >>contrary were not enough to change his mind. She got tired of talking > >> >>to him because he was more interested in playing mind games than > >> >>actually helping her. So she said goodbye and hung up the phone. At > >> >>this point the mensa candidate on the other end called the police and > >> >>told them that she was suicidal and was preparing to kill herself with a > >> >>pair of scissors. She had just gotten out of the shower when the police > >> >>start banging on her door. You can imagine her suprise to discover that > >> >>the police were there to keep her from harming herself on the judgement > >> >>of some nimrod phone-monkey. Well she was taken down to the hospital > >> >>where they were going to hold her for observation. Luckily the doctor > >> >>assigned to examine her was blessed with a brain and common sense and > >> >>released her after about half an hour. > >> >> > >> >>My point is that things like what you're describing can happen, but not > >> >>just because someone got an email. Even Bo-Bo the phone-chimp would > >> >>have had more sense than to send out the butterfly net patrol because > >> >>kewld00d@yahoo.com told him that the woman at 123 Elm Street was psycho. > >> >> > >> >>If what you're describing REALLY DID happen and you're not just blowing > >> >>smoke up our a.ses, then I'd suggest you get yourself a lawyer (a real > >> >>one, not some clam hack) and pursue legal action against the person who > >> >>caused you trouble for filing a false police report. A lawyer can do a > >> >>lot to get the identity of that person revealed if nothing else. > >> >> > >> >>Hans > >> > > >> >Hans, that is a very interesting story. > >> >I have an old friend who was taken against his will > >> >and committed to a mental hospital. He was in his 20?s so was not > >>>a minor. I think it was his parents who reported him. When it happened he > wasn't > >>>sure who had reported him . But the point is that he was kidnapped and held in > >>>the hospital for 60 or 90 days and forced to take drugs. When they let him out, > >>>he was forced to continue to take drugs as a requisite of his release. He > didn?t > >>>want the drugs and protested but was told by the authorities that if he didn?t > >> >take drugs he would be re-committed. > >> >This is a true story. The guy called me for help. > >> >It could happen to anyone who gets in the wrong hands. > >> >Especially if a family member gets duped into thinking this kind of > >> >"treatment" would be helpful. > >> >I agree; my friend should have gotten an attorney! > >> > >> Yeah, but Hans is also incredibly naive. Of course an email can get someone > >> dragged off to the loony bin! For christ's sake, Hans should go visit the > >> websites of Support Coalition International and Mad Nation and read the oral > >>histories of psych survivors who've been locked away for reasons just as flimsy > >>as that and by people with no relationship to them whatsoever. Read about the 6 > >> year-old kid who spent 10 years in a psych ward, much of it in solitary > >> confinement, because HE PICKED FLOWERS FROM A NEIGHBOR'S GARDEN! Hans sounds > >>like one of these starry-eyed types who thinks life is fair and the innocent are > >>never imprisoned and men in white coats tell the truth. Hans thinks there are > >>laws and rules that psychs obey and that lawyers leap to defend psych victims. > >> DREAM ON, HANS. Most psych hospitals are owned by large corporations who can > >> afford to litigate victims into the ground. And most victims can't afford to > >> pay a lawyer because they have no income having just spend the last > >>god-knows-how-long locked up in a psych ward! So don't feel you have to be easy > >> on Hans. He doesn't have the first clue about what psychs will or won't do. > >> > >> And that's my rant for the day. ;-) > >> > >>?The participation of physicians, especially psychiatrists, in the Holocaust is > >> unprecedented in history. The crimes of German Psychiatry are unique and > >>unprecedented in the history of mankind. The mass murder of Jews, Gypsies, and > >>homosexuals was prepared and preceded by the medicalized mass murder of mental > >> patients.? > >> Struan Robertson, The History of Jews in Hamburg > >> http://www.rrz.uni-hamburg.de/rz3a035/psychiatry.html > > > >Yes, indeed, there is no way that psychiatrists can talk them out of > >the Holocaust and the horrible things they did to minorities. One day > >they will be exposed of not just having been a part of it, but having > >been the driving force behind the Holocaust. > > > >Having lived for many years in Germany, I came to following conclusion > >to the question who is behind international psychiatry: Behind > >international psychiatry are German psychiatrists, the Nazi kind of > >psychiatrists. > > > >Barbara Schwarz > > Barb, you are so right. You will find that historians of the Holocaust back you > up 100%. I always look forward to an opportunity to post excerpts from this > speech by Ernst Klee, entitled "Killing by starvation in the institutions and > other previous crimes of psychiatry." Klee is the author of "Good Old Days: The > Holocaust as Seen by Its Perpetrators and Bystanders," as well as other > histories published in German. This speech is translated from German. The full > text can be found in English at http://www.irren-offensive.de/kleespeech.htm > > "German Psychiatry Needed the Nazis > > "Long before the Nazis would come to power psychiatrists already made similar > demands [freedom to exterminate their patients]. > > "Emil Kraeplin 1918: "An absolute ruler who unscrupulously interfered with human > habits would, without any doubt and in the course of only a few decades, > effectuate a decline in mental debility." > > "In 1931, Hermann Simon, Head of the Anstalt in Gütersloh clearly defines the > supposedly inferior category of people. These include: the physically ill, the > invalid, the weak, the imbecile, the crippled and the insane, and he concludes: > "Someone will have to die again." > > "Ernst Rüdin 1934: "The psychiatrist and the healthy person are allies against > the genetically defective. The psychiatrist must render his service to the > ultimate aim of a hereditary pure, able and superior race." > Rüdin, who regarded compulsory sterilization as the "most humane act of > humankind', says in 1934 about Hitler: "Only Adolf Hitler's political work made > it possible that the people's awareness for the meaning and importance of the > purity of race could be raised and heightened. Our dream, lasting for over more > than 30 years now, has finally become reality." > > "The Nazis did not use German Psychiatry but German Psychiatry needed the Nazis. > > "Psychiatrists had to denigrate their patients because of their own incapacity > to provide either cure or therapy. Hence, the first to be disposed of were those > who confronted them directly with this inability: the chronically ill (the > so-called incurable). German psychiatric history was to culminate into the > almost unutterable: they said 'treat' but meant 'murder' instead." Thank you for posting that and providing the links, Kestrel. I read as much of your postings as I can. ARS became a much more interesting newsgroup since some individuals, critical of psychiatry post here. Before it were mainly psychiatric trolls which misinform, attack and heckle in typical German Nazi psychiatric style, religion and everybody who just happen to be of different opinion.
Sometimes it looks like a waste of time to post, as it seems that nobody reads it or nobody is getting true information in their heads, but I know there are are many quiet readers, people that choose not to be hassled, and don't post, but which you educate through your postings.
I hope you give nothing on hecklers and psychiatric trolls who post that you should go away.
I am one of the unlucky people who had a real "run in" with German psychs of our times. They are people from hell, without human qualifications, without professional qualifications, and they are simply perverted butchers. Watching them and their determination to torture my religion and personality out of me made me see that they are still Nazi doctors.
The problem in Germany is that when you say the truth, that psychs are still still operate like Nazis, they come, commit you, and force drugs and other butcher methods on you. If they really would not be Nazis doctor anymore, how come they can't take critic easy and have to quiet critique down with their brutal "treatments" and commitment?
Psychiatry need to be outlawed. Human and decent methods need to be put in place to help the people which lost their balances. I saw nobody beign healed in mental institutions. Very honestly, people got crazier in there as they were when they came in. By posting what psychiatry really is, and who is behind it, you are doing the right steps.
Don't forget to post the excerpts from the Klee speech, as soon you have time, Kestrel.
Barbara
steff0removethisorthat@s.netic.de - 04 Apr 2004 10:24 GMT Babsie, little dearest, I'm in the mood tonight to love you. Do us a favour and read 'Mask of Sanity'. http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/c%27sbook.htm Right-click or left-click, it's wonderful reading. Forgive me, I'm not posting it here, too much of a strain. It is a PDF. You can download it or read online. Go to page 102 and read one of the stories presented as material of illustration of the anti-social personality. Yes, you are right, you have heard this word before, and so had Hubbard. Mr. Hervey Cleckley, M.D. wrote this book 1941. If you take the pleasure and read it, you will immediately pick-up the sense of distinguished educated leasurely applied scrutiny and science, where Hubbard remembered a whiff of smell from later on, and invented the hangman knot, to get rid of it. I urge you here and now in this thread, as I am in sorrow, that innocent bystanders will take your verbal petting with imagined and real responders to your rant against psychatry as something to be read seriously. Mr. Cleckley is a true gem to read. Know what? I post a story here, now. It's not the one from Anna, this is Frank's. It sheds a wonderful light on how much of scrupulous thoughts go into applied everyday's psychatry by good people (That Hubbard stole from). Here it goes:
Frank The following letter was received by an influential senator in Washington and referred by him to the hospital.
Dear Sir: It is with regret that I find it necessary to seek consideration from higher authority but I have been confined in the Veterans Administration Hospital at for two years. During my period of incarceration here I have tried in every available way to cooperate with the officials, but it seems an impossibility to get any consideration from them toward gaining my freedom. I was placed here on the recommendation of my sister because she thought I was a drug addict, and she has written some pretty nasty things against me to the officials here. I can prove to the satisfaction of all concerned that I am not a confirmed drug addict or habitual user of any form of drug sufficiently to warrant continuous confinement. I am not a criminal, nor had I the slightest minor charge of any description against me at the time I came here. The Staff here has rated me less than 10 percent disabled and discontinued all government compensation; therefore, I believe you will agree with me that any man with a less than 10 percent disability could not possess a physical or mental disorder sufficient to prevent his having his freedom and making his own livelihood. I am not even allowed parole privileges of the grounds as a great many of the patients here are. Some are continually violating institutional rules and still retain their parole privileges undisciplined. I have two children, who need my support and as long as I am kept incarcerated I can't assist them in any way for I have no means other than my labor to support them. I hereby humbly request you to intercede in my behalf and demand these officials here to grant my release in order that I may be able to support my children to the best of my ability as is every man's duty. There are quite a few men in these institutions that are nothing short of impositions on the government and taxpayers of the United States. They, the same as myself, are perfectly capable mentally and physically to support themselves and should be forced to do so. I have begged for parole, trial visit, or any other means to prove myself selfsustaining, but the authorities here seem to take my plea as a joke and make a lot of promises that they have no intention of putting into action. I will gladly submit to any physical or mental examination you may deem necessary to assist you in obtaining my release from this place. I pray that you will give my earnest request your immediate consideration. Please be assured that I hold no malice toward any of the officials here or elsewhere but my only objective in writing you is to gain my freedom and support my children. Please let me hear from you personally, Yours very respectfully, Frank ______
The writer of this letter has behind him a formidable record of misadventure. Detailed knowledge of Frank's early life is not available beyond the following facts. The son of a rustic blacksmith, he was raised in a small hamlet near the mountains of north Georgia. So far as can be learned, no members of his family suffered from nervous or mental disease or made themselves objectionable in the community. He completed the fifth grade in school, where he was considered by no means a dull boy, though often truant. Many of the hours he was supposed to have spent in school or working at some necessary chore for his family he is reported to have idled away in loitering about a local millpond drowning goats and doing other senseless or uninviting deeds of mischief. Before the United States entered World War I, Frank had forged his father's name to a false statement about his age and enlisted in the National Guard. He was given vocational training by the government after his discharge from the army. He was tried at several courses but made no serious effort to complete any of them. In his community he soon made himself a problem, sometimes drinking to excess, often behaving in a rowdy and threatening manner, contracting to buy small businesses, filling stations, farms, but never living up to his agreements. Local ex-service men, believing that he took morphine and that treatment might help his maladjustment (commonly referred to as "nervousness"), had him sent to a psychiatric hospital. He remained for a month, then returned to continue in his old ways. Now began a series of hospitalizations which extends to the present time. He would be sent first to one place, then to another. He has been treated in state hospitals, in federal hospitals, and in private institutions at the expense of the government. All told, he has been admitted no less than nineteen times to strictly mental hospitals maintained for the purpose of treating psychotic people. Sometimes he remained only three or four weeks and sometimes six or even eighteen months. Over the years his periods of hospitalization have grown slightly longer and his intervals outside shorter. He has never, during the past fifteen years, been free longer than a few months. While not under the care of psychiatrists he has received considerable attention from the police. His jail sentences number seven at the present reading, including a term of nine months in the Leavenworth Penitentiary (where he was sent for forging a prescription for morphine) but not counting a score or more of overnight or weekend stops in police barracks. Despite these preoccupations Frank has found time to marry and have four children and to become ordained as a minister in a small religious sect noted for vigorous evangelical fervor. His marital relations have been most unsatisfactory during the interludes when he was free to be with the family. His wife reports that he curses her and fights with her, and it is well established that he seizes any money that is available, hires automobiles, and drives aimlessly about the countryside, often drinking to excess and, according to some reports, occasionally taking morphine. At times he has seemed proud of his ecclesiastical title, referring to himself as a pastor and assuming unctuous and haughty airs. He has not, however, occupied himself with whatever ministerial duties he was supposed to fulfill any more consistently than with other work. His friends, especially those interested in the American Legion and other service organizations, have obtained many positions for him. He is shrewd, neat in appearance, and an excellent talker. He makes a good impression at first but always shirks his responsibility to such an extent that it is impossible to retain him. A few years ago he was given a place at a filling station and seemed, surprisingly, to show considerable interest in his work for several days. It was then discovered that he had been drawing off all the gasoline he could and taking it to a nearby town where he sold it and bought morphine from dope peddlers, most of which he, in turn, sold at a tremendous profit to local addicts. He has been consistently arrogant and aggressive toward his neighbors and acquaintances, usually over trifling matters. After taking a few drinks, he has often threatened others, claimed things that were not his own, and made such a nuisance of himself that local police would be called to deal with him. He is boastful and histrionic, more eloquently and aggressively so with a few highballs, and much given to temper tantrums. He frequently threatens to kill himself over some petty vexation and once offered a pistol to his wife, urging her grandiloquently to shoot him. He has never made an attempt, however, to harm himself, though his opportunities have been unlimited. He has been reported as having convulsive seizures. These developed when he was refused special attention by physicians and seemed, according to their descriptions, plainly and consciously designed toward obtaining various ends. This manifestation has also been noted when he was confined to jail and wanted to be sent to a mental hospital in order to escape charges that had been brought against him. These so-called seizures have been observed several times in this hospital by competent psychiatrists. They did not in any way suggest epilepsy nor were they convincing as possible reactions of true hysteria. The patient is unquestionably conscious and shows that he is behaving intentionally in this way to gain a recognized end. Unlike a conversion phenomenon, the purpose does not appear to be concealed from his conscious awareness.63,76 Though occasionally confused after heavy drinking (perhaps with the addition of drugs), he has at all other times been entirely rational, alert, shrewd, and free from delusions and hallucinations. Early in Frank's career his disturbance was diagnosed on several occasions as hysteria, sometimes as both psychopathic personality and hysteria. Once he was given a diagnosis of psychopathic personality with psychotic episodes. There was not, however, any evidence of behavior or symptoms different from what he has shown on other occasions. There is reason to suspect that the real and pressing need to keep this patient hospitalized may have played an important part in his being so classified. The genuinely irrational and incompetent behavior, no doubt, supports the use of such a term as psychosis, despite the lack of any additional symptoms. The irrational behavior which has characterized him is not based on a delusional system or on any loss of the good reasoning ability he shows on examination. Some of his most turbulent misconduct has, of course, been exhibited while he was intoxicated. At such times he naturally lacked his customary shrewdness and alertness. However, this cannot conscientiously be called a psychotic episode beyond and above his wellknown inadequacy but rather the manifestation of inebriety. I do not mean to say that this man is normal but only that he has none of the recognized types of mental disorder, episodic or constant. If his drunken and wayward episodes are to be termed psychotic, then it would seem that his state at other times might also be termed psychotic, since it is in his shrewd, technically sane condition that he decides to add the picturesque touches of intoxication which he well knows will bring him to the attention of the police. At this hospital, at the state hospitals, and at the other institutions to which Frank was sent in recent years, he has been considered a sane man without psychotic episodes. The symptomatic diagnoses of drug addiction and chronic alcoholism have been added. During all these years he has shown no evidence of deterioration or regression, and today at 38 years of age he is the same clever, alert person he was described as being twenty years ago. Unlike nearly all real morphine addicts, he does not show ordinary withdrawal symptoms or other signs of physical illness and acute distress when, after being admitted to the hospital, he is deprived of opportunities to obtain the drug. If the reports that he takes morphine have any factual basis, such use must be sporadic. There is little or no evidence that effects of the drug have regularly played any major role in his behavior. It appears that his chief connection with drugs has been through his part in peddling them illicitly.
His career in the hospital has been marked by frequent paroles which are always terminated by his failing to return, returning drunk, or being taken up by the police for petty theft, swindling, and futile and unprovoked disorder. Though ingratiating and outwardly cooperative when he is trying to obtain parole or discharge, he constantly schemes to escape or, surreptitiously, to call upon high authorities to have him released. Once, while helping attendants on the disturbed ward, he succeeded in turning hot water into a tub in which a psychotic patient lay in a continuous bath. He did not try to injure the man seriously, but merely to hurt him a little as a joke. This is a fair example of the inane, humorless mischief that underlies the pretentious front assumed by this former pastor. Despite his medicolegal status, which, of course, is technically regarded as constituting sanity, those interested in finding some practical way to protect him and his family and to cope with the ever accumulating problems succeeded on one occasion in having him committed by the court. Those close to the situation evidently found in his behavior reasons for action more compelling than the abstract criteria which stood in the way of such a step. After being held in the hospital for several months, despite his reiterated demands for discharge against medical advice, he called in an attorney. Frank had in the past always found no difficulty in leaving when it suited his purpose or his whim. In view of his well-demonstrated inability to live in freedom, he was now, by means of the legal commitment, kept against his wishes in order to spare his family, the community, and himself the hardships he had brought about before and was sure to bring about again.
The attorney for the government, in attempting to resist habeas corpus proceedings, found himself in a familiar dilemma, as the following quotations from his letter will show:
"It is evident that the medical staff at the hospital are using the term insane to convey the meaning of the medical definition of the word rather than the legal definition. In other words, the thought back of the use of the word appears to me to be that it is the opinion of neuropsychiatrists that this man is not suffering from a mental disease as physicians understand the term, that he does not have a psychosis. It does appear, however, that it is their opinion that the state of his mind due to drug addiction and also manifested by his past antisocial behavior is such as to warrant the conclusions that he is incompetent and that he should receive treatment in a hospital for the cure of nervous and mental diseases. To say, however, that he is incompetent but not insane presents a rather inconsistent picture with which to go into court. We may be confronted with such a question as why he needs to be in a hospital for the care of nervous and mental diseases if he has no nervous or mental disease. I am inclined to think that the terms insanity and incompetency so far as their legal significance is concerned are used interchangeably and that the important point to be considered, whether you call a man insane or merely admit that he is incompetent, is whether the person is incapable of administering his personal estate in the normal manner of a prudent man and whether there is definite evidence of a more or less prolonged departure from normal behavior as compared with the standards of the community, such as dissipation of funds, unwise purchases, and utter lack of appreciation of values. Because of the fact that I anticipate some difficulty in trying to show that the man is incompetent but not insane, I would appreciate an expression of your views on the matter. It occurs to me also that a man ought to be confined who is a menace to others and likely to do harm to others, even though his mental condition may be due in part to inadequate mental development and in part to the use of drugs. He may be just as dangerous to himself or to others as a person suffering from a mental disease and who, according to the purely medical definition of insanity, would be pronounced insane."
Of course, it might be asked why these people are not let out of the mental hospitals and left to the police. If they are considered responsible for their misdeeds, let them be punished. This, as a matter of fact, is what the average psychiatric hospital is nearly always forced to do, whatever its physicians may think of the wisdom and practicality of such a procedure. These men are studied, found free of recognized mental disorder which might make them unaware of what they are doing, and are sent back out into the world. They are arrested not once but many times. Most of them seldom commit such serious crimes that they are kept out of circulation in penal institutions for long periods. Only rarely can they be kept for more than a few days. They do not follow any purposive criminal life. They make a nuisance of themselves to the community as a whole and often tragically wreck the lives of those close to them, and all to no discernible end. The police and the courts tire of them. Through various influences they are forced back on the mental hospitals where they take legal action to regain their freedom, only to begin the process again. If, as stated in the quotations previously cited, it would be difficult to prove this man incompetent but not insane, it would be far more difficult, by existing definitions of psychiatry, to prove him "insane." His perfectly rational (superficial) behavior under scrutiny, his freedom from delusions, his shrewdness, his alertness, and his convincing plan for a normal, useful life, in short, his plain sanity as this is ordinarily understood, make it all but impossible for a judge or a jury to call him insane. Psychiatrists, familiar with his long record of senseless behavior, are able to see more reason to do so than could be brought out before a court in terms of abstract criteria by which the decision is determined.
But according to the accepted standards of psychiatry, his diagnosis carries with it an official and automatic endorsement of the patient as sane and competent. No matter how strongly impressed by real and practical evidence to the contrary, all physicians, testifying in such a case must admit that the official technicalities approve this paradox. Having won his case in court, the patient was released against medical advice. Frank did not go home but remained in the city where he at once claimed the attention of the police. On being released after a few days in jail, he took a room at the best hotel and annoyed other guests by various tactics, such as trying to borrow money, sponge on them for a meal, or sell them something useless or nonexistent. He became at times loudly boastful or rowdy and eventually fell on the floor drunk. He refused to pay for his room and resisted the management's attempts to remove him. He sought loans under bold-faced pretenses, ran up debts without regard to the possibilities of payment, and telephoned and wrote to his family, threatening suicide unless his demands for money were promptly met. There are indications that he was not inactive during this period in old devices of petty thievery, shortchanging, and various types of fraud, sharp practice, and connivance that exist, more or less, on the fringe of organized but illegal racketeering found in any city. Nothing, however, could be pinned on him by the law that led to his being effectively controlled. In all issues of this sort that arose, he had his record as a patient once legally committed and often confined to psychiatric institutions. This record was, in his ingenious hands, of considerable value as insurance against penal restraint. After several arrests, the police began to call on the hospital to relieve them of their problems with this man. They were told that nothing could be done since he had been legally removed and the hospital was enjoined by the court not to hold him. Soon afterward the police and various local people began to seek advice on how to deal with him from the attorney who had liberated this man. The patient himself soon joined in, coming repeatedly to the attorney's office or his house, sometimes drunk and always unreasonable, to shout about the injustices of the world, borrow money, evade threatening penalties, and to demand diverse preposterous services. The veteran had promised to pay the attorney's bill with bonus money, but now it appeared that this money had already been squandered. Hoping to collect his fee and, no doubt, from humanitarian impulses, the attorney sought to keep in touch with his client. Those with whom he had run up bills and floated little loans joined others swindled or defrauded in small matters and took up their problems with the patient's legal representative.
Soon the incessant complaints from annoyed people, the client's own nagging or uproarious invasions upon him at all hours, and the constant queries of the police drove him to seek relief. The patient being again in jail, the attorney persuaded him to agree to return to the hospital voluntarily and pled with the physician in charge to take him back, confessing himself at fault ever to have released such a scourge on the community and on himself. Arrangements were made for readmission. The patient arrived in custody of a policeman. He was still somewhat stimulated from a recent intoxication but, though overbearing and pompous, showed no signs of real drunkenness nor of an officially recognized psychosis. Frank took a high-handed manner, swaggered about, and finally refused to come back into the hospital, saying that he had no mental disease and that he preferred to return to jail where he would soon be released to carry out important business plans and social activities. He enjoyed the incident, played up his role dramatically, and took a peremptory and haughty tone with everyone. He soon obtained his freedom, but some weeks later after running up big debts, giving several more bad checks, and participating in a series of senseless, bawdy escapades, he was finally returned to the hospital. Three months later he again obtained his discharge on a writ of habeas corpus but not through the same attorney. The story in its broad essentials was repeated. Since his last admission, following the exploits just mentioned, he has been true to form. After varying periods on a closed ward, parole has been given; he has lost it repeatedly and gone back among "demented" and helpless groups with whom he is, to say the least, not at home. He has continued at all times free from the technical stigmata of psychosis, remaining crafty, intelligent, and superficially cooperative while trying to gain his ends. Frank takes advantage of every opportunity to make trouble in the hospital and is rather restless and extremely dissatisfied. He sends frequent letters to women in town to whom he regards himself as paying court. These are written in a neat hand, well spelled, and well expressed and are much better letters than would be expected from a man of his education. They are marked with self-righteousness, extreme egotism, trite sentimentality, and monumental falsehood. His tone is that of a lover who regards his own passion as very high and rare. "Only God knows," he writes, "why I wasn't left over there among the poppies with my heroic buddies," falsely describing himself as a captain in charge of 272 men. "My wife never understood me!" he complains in the same letter. What does he expect of her? The question invites meditation.
OK, Barbara, if you really had the sincerity to have read it down to here, I give you my secret belief: Frank *might* be one of the anti-social personalities, Hubbard was talking about. Right? Now, what do you think, how many of these people are there out on the street. Three of a hundred? Not so! Right? And hanging them? Err.
steff
PS The next story is Anna! That's a nice one! So well mannered!
> Don't forget to post the excerpts from the Klee speech, as soon you > have time, Kestrel. > > Barbara -- If there ever was an apple, Hubbard was the worm. Es ist leichter, hinter einer Sache zu stehen, als vor ihr. Only plain text emails are accepted.
Jan Drew - 12 Jul 2006 18:26 GMT cathyb" <cathybeesley@optusnet.com.au> wrote:> john wrote:
> crap that he also wrote just a couple of days ago, and that was > comprehensively rebutted. By the *gang*.
LOL!
Back to the truth.
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=18809
Fombonne's autism research is dangerously inaccurate Medical Studies/Trials Published: Tuesday, 11-Jul-2006
Dr. Eric Fombonne's new Quebec study will soon be published in the July 2006 issue of Pediatrics. Fombonne, a thimerosal litigation expert witness on behalf of various pharmaceutical companies, will reportedly state that it is "very clear" there is no relationship between mercury-based thimerosal and the onset of autism.
According to the research group SafeMinds, Fombonne's research is dangerously inaccurate:
* The study looked at 27,749 students in grades kindergarten through 12th grade in a Montreal school district and found 187 cases of autism. * The vast majority of these cases (more than 90%) were born in years in which thimerosal vaccines were widely used for infants in Quebec, as they were in the US. * Only a tiny fraction of the autism students were born when thimerosal-free DTP and Hib vaccines were given, and these students may have been exposed to thimerosal from the Hepatitis B vaccine newly recommended for infants of foreign-born parents, which made up over one fourth of the greater Montreal population. * Dr. Fombonne wrongfully claims that large-population studies in the United States, England and Denmark also disprove a link between mercury and autism. * Although multiple respected researchers state otherwise, Dr. Fombonne maintains the radical conclusion "there is no autism epidemic." * He conveniently ignores the vast body of scientific evidence, which has shown that environmental factors such as mercury may have caused the increased number of autism diagnoses in the US and other countries. * Dr. Fombonne's actions have historically been in the best interest of various pharmaceutical companies, not families with autism. Fombonne has also declared himself an expert witness in thimerosal-related litigation.
SafeMinds states, "Thimerosal is a serious poison that is harmful via inhalation, ingestion or contact with skin. Furthermore, thimerosal-containing vaccines elevate mercury levels in the body to a level where adverse neurological outcomes are known to occur. It is irresponsible for any pediatric doctor to justify injecting our children with mercury.
"The prevalence of all autism spectrum disorders (ASDs) has risen to 1 in 166 children in the past 20 years. Several independent federal agencies and respected scientists and researchers have received federal funds to investigate the autism epidemic and the biological plausibility of a link between mercury and ASDs. Multiple studies have indicated that there is a connection between childhood vaccines containing thimerosal and the incidence of autism. No conclusions have been made rejecting a link between mercury and autism."
The National Autism Association (NAA), along with multiple advocacy groups and researchers, hope that Fombonne's conflicts of interest will be disclosed in Pediatrics. "These significantly weak conclusions certainly work to Dr. Fombonne's benefit. It is only appropriate that his partnership with pharmaceutical companies be revealed," says Claire Bothwell, Board Chair of NAA.
For more information, visit www.nationalautism.org or www.safeminds.org.
http://www.nationalautismassociation.org
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