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Epinephrine: Benign side effects compared to dangerous ones

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FreespiritedFem - 01 Apr 2004 18:46 GMT
I plan to soon have minor surgery under local that also requires epinephrine
in the injection.  I've heard of a few "bad reactions" to epi, but none that I
know of were dangerous.  One person claimed to have had shaking and freezing
sensation for 5 minutes straight and another had "racing heart".  I would think
an uninformed patient would be alarmed at having such reactions, at least if it
was the first time.  What side effects from epi are harmless (although possibly
disturbing) and which could be a sign of something dangerous occuring???  I
think patients receiving epi, especially those not aware of how they will react
to it, should be informed ahead of time and monitored if necessary while the
epi takes effect.  This is not for the purpose of "programming the patient" as
all should hope for the best and use relaxation techniques while waiting for
surgery but for us to be in the dark to this extent I think is wrong.  I hope
someone can end what for me is a big mystery about this medication.  Any
answers and suggestions are appreciated.   Sherry
Steven Bornfeld - 02 Apr 2004 04:18 GMT
>  I plan to soon have minor surgery under local that also requires epinephrine
> in the injection.  I've heard of a few "bad reactions" to epi, but none that I
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> someone can end what for me is a big mystery about this medication.  Any
> answers and suggestions are appreciated.   Sherry

    My experience is with dental local anesthetics.  The most common side
effect is syncope or fainting.  This usually only happens when the
injection is inadvertently in a blood vessel.  This goes along with the
light-headedness, rapid, thready pulse, etc.  In the doses usually used
these are pretty trivial for a normal patient.  A patient with a cardiac
history esp. arrhythmia or uncontrolled high blood pressure should tell
their doc--there are plenty of good anesthetics that contain no
vasoconstrictors.  They just diffuse from the surgical area more
rapidly, so it is more likely that reinjection may be necessary.

Steve
FreespiritedFem - 02 Apr 2004 06:48 GMT
Thanks for your rather uplifting answer.  I do have "whitecoat" and treated
"labile" HBP.  I'm on monopril and generic microzide. I take BP regularly at
home as well and it's usually not 120 but it's not usually 150 either.
Strangely, the lower number is almost always a normal 75 to 85.  I've never
fainted and hope I never do.  Just thinking I was going into that would be
terrifying to me.  The doctor apparently MUST use "epi".  :/ I'm going to
request being monitored by EKG or echo while the epi takes effect.  Also I'll
ask if he can use a bit less for me.     Sherry
anon - 02 Apr 2004 12:45 GMT
It sounds to me like you're getting unnecessarily worked up about this.
There's virtually *no* cardiovascular risk to receiving a local
injection containing epinephrine, aside from inadvertant intravascular
injection, which should never occur with proper technique. If you don't
trust your doctor to do a good job, I suggest you find one who you do
trust. Monitoring for local anesthesia is completely unnecessary. You
could be monitored by EKG, pulse ox, BP, and have a paramedic standing
over you with paddles in hand ready to defibrillate you at a moment's
notice, but none of this will prevent you from passing out if you have
a vagal episode or just plain get freaked out, which is basically what
you're doing.

> Thanks for your rather uplifting answer.  I do have "whitecoat" and treated
> "labile" HBP.  I'm on monopril and generic microzide. I take BP regularly at
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> request being monitored by EKG or echo while the epi takes effect.  Also I'll
> ask if he can use a bit less for me.     Sherry
merle@wnt.sas.com - 02 Apr 2004 18:46 GMT
> I plan to soon have minor surgery under local that also requires epinephrine
>in the injection.  I've heard of a few "bad reactions" to epi, but none that I
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>someone can end what for me is a big mystery about this medication.  Any
>answers and suggestions are appreciated.   Sherry

I'm not aware of any conspiracy to keep people in the dark about
epinephrine. The side effects of increased heartbeat and shaking are
quite well known. It is an adrenaline substance and, as you probably
know, adrenaline is critical to the "flight or fight" response to
danger. It's often used in cases of respiratory distress and was one
of the primary ingredients in Primatene mist. Those of us with high
blood pressure or cardiovascular problems or respiratory problems
should be monitored during the use of this drug, which I'm sure your
doctor intends to do.
anon - 02 Apr 2004 20:49 GMT
> I'm not aware of any conspiracy to keep people in the dark about
> epinephrine.
> It's often used in cases of respiratory distress and was one
> of the primary ingredients in Primatene mist.

Was? You mean *is*.
merle@wnt.sas.com - 05 Apr 2004 13:55 GMT
>> I'm not aware of any conspiracy to keep people in the dark about
>> epinephrine.
>> It's often used in cases of respiratory distress and was one
>> of the primary ingredients in Primatene mist.
>
>Was? You mean *is*.

Is Primatene mist still on the market? I thought it had been
discontinued.
anon - 06 Apr 2004 00:52 GMT
> Is Primatene mist still on the market? I thought it had been
> discontinued.

It *should* be. Nope, it's still out there. See:
http://www.primatene.com/products/index.asp
merle@wnt.sas.com - 06 Apr 2004 17:40 GMT
>> Is Primatene mist still on the market? I thought it had been
>> discontinued.
>
>It *should* be. Nope, it's still out there. See:
>http://www.primatene.com/products/index.asp

You're right. I had to stop at the drug store this a.m. on the way to
work and it's sitting right there on the shelf. Thanks.
 
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