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Medical Forum / General / General / February 2004OT: is "resurrection" possible?
Does anyone know of some recorded medical cases of individuals who were pronounced dead by a health official but who then came back to life at a later time? I'm trying to establish some facts before I discuss the topic with a family member who is religious. Thanks for any help. Shawn >Subject: OT: is "resurrection" possible? >From: Shawn no@spam.com [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >later time? I'm trying to establish some facts before I discuss the >topic with a family member who is religious. Thanks for any help. Used to happen all the time .. They designed a bell with a string for when they buried people .. IF .. they woke they could / would pull the string and they would be dug up .. asap .. Who loves ya. Tom  SignatureJesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking >Does anyone know of some recorded medical cases of individuals who were >pronounced dead by a health official but who then came back to life at a >later time? I'm trying to establish some facts before I discuss the >topic with a family member who is religious. Thanks for any help. Yes, definitely, it has happened a number of times. For example: http://www.defrance.org/artman/publish/article_437.shtml http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2003/08/23/story756451485.asp However, it's extremely unlikely these people were actually dead. They were almost certainly declared dead erroneously. It really boils down to how you define death. Medicine defines "clinical death" as the absence of systole (ie, cardiac arrest, no pulse). There's a small window of time where someone with no pulse can be revived (paramedics and ER doctors accomplish that almost daily these days). But once someone has gone for more than about 6-8 minutes with no pulse, their organs begin dying, starting with the brain. Once the brain ceases functioning, the person is "brain dead." Even if their heart can be restarted at that point and all the other organs survive, they will never be conscious again. The "person" is gone, and for all intents and purposes they are dead even though the rest of their body continues to function. But if the heart is not restarted within a few minutes, all the organs and tissues of the body will die. This is "cellular death" and from that there is absolutely no return. There are *no* cases of resurrection from cellular death (outside of legends and religious doctrine). In short, no one who was truly dead has ever come back to life. > Yes, definitely, it has happened a number of times. For example: > http://www.defrance.org/artman/publish/article_437.shtml [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > In short, no one who was truly dead has ever come back to life. Thank you for your reply. Well basically my father who is a rather feverish Christian gave me a videotape containing a story of the alleged resurrection of a person in Nigeria (a highly suspicious location) that was supposedly pronounced dead after a car accident and then awoke after three days. The claim was that the initial diagnosis indicated no breathing, no pulse, dilated pupils, and then he was left in the morgue. I'm thinking of either a very blatant lie or at best an extremely incompetent doctor and diagosis. Either way, I am reminded of the commercial nature of the video ($35 a pop I believe), from a Christian evangelical publication. The sad thing to me personally is that before his retirement, my father was a surgeon, but appears to have lost all skepticism, no matter how basic, over time regarding his faith. >Thank you for your reply. Well basically my father who is a rather feverish >Christian gave me a videotape containing a story of the alleged resurrection of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >of the commercial nature of the video ($35 a pop I believe), from a Christian >evangelical publication. Nigeria? $35 for the video? As if that's not enough. Lots of stuff on the web about this. Do a google search on "Daniel Ekechukwu" >The sad thing to me personally is that before his retirement, my father was a >surgeon, but appears to have lost all skepticism, no matter how basic, over time >regarding his faith. Sigh.... He was a surgeon and he believes this rot? > Sigh.... He was a surgeon and he believes this rot? In the context of religion, believing something like isn't necessarily contradictory with being a surgeon. A brilliant surgeon can believe in God and take the Bible literally if he wants to. It's not as if he needs to give God a bypass to believe. Whatever he believes now shouldn't cause you to worry. My dad believed you could figure out winning lottery numbers in advance. I just learned to tune it out and nod. >In the context of religion, believing something like isn't necessarily >contradictory with being a surgeon. A brilliant surgeon can believe in >God and take the Bible literally if he wants to. It's not as if he needs >to give God a bypass to believe. Understood, but this tale is incompatible with science *and* Biblical teachings. The Bible doesn't predict ad hoc resurrections. >Whatever he believes now shouldn't cause you to worry. My dad believed >you could figure out winning lottery numbers in advance. I just learned >to tune it out and nod. Rest assured I won't be losing any sleep over it. ;-) On the rare occasion I waste $1 on a lotto ticket, I would be happy to play your father's numbers. They're as good as any other. > On the rare occasion I waste $1 on a lotto ticket, I would be happy to play > your > father's numbers. They're as good as any other. I once played lottery for fun. On a subscription of $50, I got $67 back, if I recall correctly. I think I'm going to take the winning to my grave. >>On the rare occasion I waste $1 on a lotto ticket, I would be happy to play >>your >>father's numbers. They're as good as any other. > > I once played lottery for fun. On a subscription of $50, I got $67 back, if I > recall correctly. I think I'm going to take the winning to my grave. That's the only way to keep them. I played a lottery once. It was for the Canadian Olypic Games in Montreal (to defray the deficit). The games made medical history because the then mayor had said, "The Olympics couldn't end up as a loss any more than a man could have a baby. Guess what happened). Anyway, I bought a ticket, $10 back then was a lot of money, and I GOT NOTHING! ...so I stopped doing that. It's a tax on the stipid and lazy. Sad how some people are actually looking at the lotteries as their retirement planning. > Whatever he believes now shouldn't cause you to worry. My dad believed > you could figure out winning lottery numbers in advance. I just learned > to tune it out and nod. That's really what I've been trying to do over the years as well. It's a bit more difficult for me, as I've been under constant verbal assault over the years regarding the highway to hell on which I've apparently travelling. >>Whatever he believes now shouldn't cause you to worry. My dad believed >>you could figure out winning lottery numbers in advance. I just learned [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > more difficult for me, as I've been under constant verbal assault over the > years regarding the highway to hell on which I've apparently travelling. You can either tune out or avoid the source or irritation, or get of the highway at the next ramp. (-; > Sigh.... He was a surgeon and he believes this rot? Maybe the stress got to him. In any case, he just seemed to stop caring about his career, or wealth, or the world, or anything other than his faith. And certainly he has much FAITH in this stuff. >Subject: Re: OT: is "resurrection" possible? >From: Shawn no@spam.com >Date: 2/28/2004 12:38 AM Mountain Standard Time >Message-id: <404045EA.D08D2070@spam.com> > >> Sigh.... He was a surgeon and he believes this rot? Much like his peers .. "the human female is the only female of a species which is universally anemic .." Who loves ya. Tom SignatureJesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking > Does anyone know of some recorded medical cases of individuals who were > pronounced dead by a health official but who then came back to life at a > later time? I'm trying to establish some facts before I discuss the > topic with a family member who is religious. Thanks for any help. > > Shawn Google "VIAGRA". |
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